When did Westmeath declare independence from Meath?

quirkster

Came up during random chat today, cant find any reason on the net, anyone have any knowledge?

Orando Broom

1951 after the great schism at the Council of Enfield.

Einhard

It was the other way around. Meath forced West Meath to secede because it was such a sh!thole, and no other county would take them!:pac:

UglyBolloxFace

A long, long time ago...from Wiki:

The Tudor administrations finalised the division of Ireland into counties. Westmeath was separated from Meath (often East Meath) in 1543, and in 1556 King’s County and Queen’s County were created as part of Queen Mary's policy of Plantation. The old shire of Connacht was broken up into the counties of Galway, Mayo and Sligo, while Leitrim was separated from Roscommon in 1565. At the same time County Clare was created and moved from Munster to Connacht, being returned to Munster in 1602

midlandsmissus

As far as I remember, a reason for seperating the county at the time was that (East) Meath had a higher population of people loyal to the Tudors, whilst Westmeath was a majority of people not loyal to the Tudors. Therefore the Queen wanted them split. Depending on which county you are from this story is either told as: seperating the law abiding polite people from the muck savages, or as seperating the free-spirited rebels from the English abiding lick-arses .

Baron_Kunkel

midlandsmissus wrote: »

As far as I remember, a reason for seperating the county at the time was that (East) Meath had a higher population of people loyal to the Tudors, whilst Westmeath was a majority of people not loyal to the Tudors. Therefore the Queen wanted them split. Depending on which county you are from this story is either told as: seperating the law abiding polite people from the muck savages, or as seperating the free-spirited rebels from the English abiding lick-arses .

That would explain Mullingar being retained as the ecclesiastical capital of the Diocese of Meath!:cool:

midlandsmissus

Baron_Kunkel wrote: »

That would explain Mullingar being retained as the ecclesiastical capital of the Diocese of Meath!:cool:

Ah sure Mullingar's a world of its own

mikemac

Meath used to be the fifth province

May as well bring it back.
It'll be the only provincal GAA title Meath will ever win

Dionysus

UglyBolloxFace wrote: »

A long, long time ago...from Wiki:

Wikipedia is, alas, incorrect. A quick bit of research and ...

Between 12 June and 21 June 1542 the Irish parliament met in Trim. The attempt to partition the province failed as the residents were opposed to it (according to St Leger, the newly-appointed English lord deputy). However, at the next parliament meeting, from the 6th to the 18th November 1542, 'an Act for the division of Meath into two shires' was passed.

The reason for breaking up Meath was to make the eastern part more manageable and the idea seems to have been first mooted by the English during Silken Thomas's insurrection in 1534 when the more gaelicised Norman lords west of the province had joined with Conn Ó Néill and Thomas Fitzgerald against the English crown's government. By the end of the century, when Cavan (1579), Monaghan (1584/5) and Longford (1586) were created as counties, Meath and Westmeath became smaller still. The last part of Meath to be lost to a neighbouring county was Drogheda-in-Meath (the south of the town) which was moved into Louth under the County of Louth and Borough of Drogheda (Boundaries) Provisional Order, 1976.

Guy:Incognito

At the same time County Clare was created and moved from Munster to Connacht, being returned to Munster in 1602


Did they leave the wheels on it? Could we still move it for a laugh? Give everyone in Clare a free holiday then move it before they get back. Hillarity would ensue when the rest of us hid behind a hedge and watch them all standign around stratchign their heads.:)

Dionysus

midlandsmissus wrote: »

As far as I remember, a reason for seperating the county at the time was that (East) Meath had a higher population of people loyal to the Tudors, whilst Westmeath was a majority of people not loyal to the Tudors. Therefore the Queen wanted them split. Depending on which county you are from this story is either told as: seperating the law abiding polite people from the muck savages, or as seperating the free-spirited rebels from the English abiding lick-arses .

hehe. That's spot-on.

Although technically, and I do mean technically, all those who went into "rebellion" in the middle ages would contend that they were loyal to the crown (e.g. the Tudors) and that they were going into rebellion against the crown's government who, they claimed, broke the contract between the sovereign and subject. Usually, these chancers ended up contending this after they lost!

im invisible

interesting there about Drougheda-in-meath being moved to louth, and the proposals to transfer part of county clare to limerick city going on at the moment

Corsendonk

feelingstressed wrote: »

Meath used to be the fifth province

May as well bring it back.
It'll be the only provincal GAA title Meath will ever win

I think you forgot the word "again" lol Meath has 21 Senior Leinster Football Titles.

Dionysus

Corsendonk wrote: »

I think you forgot the word "again" lol Meath has 21 Senior Leinster Football Titles.

Including in 2010 when Meath justifiably beat a poor Louth team fair and square.











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admiralofthefleet

UglyBolloxFace wrote: »

A long, long time ago...from Wiki:

what is that leitrim thing mentioned there?