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The boards fund! You're all potential traders/analysts....

  • 26-04-2011 11:27am
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 267 ✭✭


    The boards fund!

    Right, time to see whether the collective trading knowledge of the Investments & Markets crew is up to snuff (or at least better than some relative index).

    Anyone can, and hopefully will, contribute. Would love to see interaction from some of the experienced traders and moderators. The idea of this little experiment is to facilitate group learning for beginner/intermediate members of boards while also having some fun. I’ve set up a demo portolio for the boards fund!

    Starting capital: $1,000,000
    Type of portfolio: FX, Stocks, ETFs, Certain Indices, & Certain commodities
    Exchanges & currencies: USA/London/Australian/Canadian
    Position sizing: 5% to 10% of total capital max
    Fund goal: absolute return using any strategy

    starting+portfolio.png


    Honorary fund directors
    Hitchhiker’s guide to...
    Ixus
    Xebec
    Dudara
    Jor el

    Honorary portfolio managers (first 5 to reply get to allocate a 5% trade!)
    Raskolnikov
    Poodles
    Neil.p.b
    Idu
    Xertpo
    Smcgie
    Cooperguy
    Thargor
    Turbobaby
    Hmmm
    pocketdooz

    Guys, please let me know if you want your names removed. I was just including you because your advice and guidance would be hugely beneficial to the fund and you should all be at the helm of this innovative social initiative!

    Analysts – THE FIRST 10 PEOPLE TO ‘THANKS’ THIS OP will become analysts and can contribute stock picks that can subsequently be voted into the portfolio (will add more once the system is better structured)

    There will be a democratic vote on what picks get added to the portfolio. Here’s how it works...

    1 - Someone posts in the boardfund thread with a stock suggestion (include symbol and yahoo finance link)
    2 – Outline reason/justification for pick (include target price and estimated time horizon for trade)
    3 – People vote on stock suggestion using the thanks button. 3 'thanks' votes and the stock gets added with a 5% allocation. A director or portfolio manager vote on a stock suggestion counts for two analyst votes. A stock that gets 5+ 'thanks' votes will get a 10% capital allocation. Each director and 5 portfolio managers can have a 5% position that doesnt need to be voted on – to kick the fund off.

    I’ve set up a portfolio to track our performance. Initially, I will execute the trades but any of the directors/portfolio managers who wish to have access to the portfolio can obviously have it.

    I’ve set up the portfolio on www.zignals.com for a few reasons.

    1 – I’m affiliated with the company but it’s completely free (we don’t sell anything nor are we soliciting anything here).
    2 – The free portfolio manager has multi-currency and multi-exchange support with realtime prices etc and it’s the best one I could find for free that can cater for our portfolio objectives.
    3 - We can share the funds progress with weekly picture updates like the below. This will keep everyone up to date and in the loop.

    pfm.png

    Questions/comments? There’s a lot to iron out, but let’s give it a shot to see what happens.

    Let’s generate some alpha!



    CURRENT HOLDINGS (SNAPSHOT TO FOLLOW AFTER SOME TRADING)

    RRL.L (Range Resources) Shares (155,605) Cost per share (GBp 19.5p) Total cost base (USD 50,020)

    AEM.TO (Agnico-Eagle Mines) Shares (760) Cost per share (CAD 62.61) Total cost base (USD 49,846)

    SLE.L (San Leon) Shares (83,777) Cost per share (GBp 36p) Total cost base (USD 49,784)

    Remaining capital - $850,251


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Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 288 ✭✭mono627


    As much as I think this is a good thread for people to learn from, I'd imagine the people who succesfully invest/trade the markets would probably be too busy trading/investing to contribute.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 267 ✭✭Adrock-aka


    That's a good point Mono627. That's why i've tried to include 'portfolio managers' that already actively participate in this subforum. The extent of their involvement can be limited to simply clicking a thumbs up button below a stock suggestion. Also, if people were that busy trading etc... then they wouldn't be on boards.ie!

    For beginners/intermediate users - this process provides a chance to hone stock picking skills. The pros and cons of their suggestions can be discussed and thus, they may learn something. Suggestions don't have to be picked apart to bits, this is a pretty laissez faire portfolio compared to the real process.

    As long as a few people get involved, this should work! You never clicked the thumbs up Mono! Get involved! :P

    ixus is along for the ride - a great start!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,540 ✭✭✭freeze4real


    As i am watching the man u watch some of my comments may not make sense.

    But whoever came up with this idea is a f u k i n g brilliant.
    With this those who haven't traded can know whats itslike.

    Is this real money ?

    who are the portfolio managers ? i haven.t seen them post on boards before.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 267 ✭✭Adrock-aka


    Hey freeze4real, glad you're on board as an analyst! At the moment, the portfolio is just a virtual portfolio ($1,000,000 fake dollars) but it will simulate a realworld portfolo almost perfectly. So you're right, it should give new investors a real sense of what its like to trade and manage a portfolio. The ups, the downs, the risks, and everything else in between!

    I picked 5 people who i've seen posting recently in this subforum. If you (or anyone else) think that i've left some obvious people out - just let me know and i'll stick them in as portfolio managers!

    If we do really well with this we may as well start a boards.ie hedge fund! :pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 764 ✭✭✭beagle001


    You should have poodles in that list and Neil.P they know their stuff.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 267 ✭✭Adrock-aka


    beagle001 wrote: »
    You should have poodles in that list and Neil.P they know their stuff.

    Thanks - added. And so do you from the looks of a few of your posts. Why not click thanks above and recommend Range Resources? It's still around 19p.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 764 ✭✭✭beagle001


    Funny you mention range bought 50 k shares this afternoon at a little over .19,let's hope it follows a positive path.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,435 ✭✭✭ixus


    Find it difficult to search for commodities, currencies, ETFs and Indices.

    Being a bit thick at the moment.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 764 ✭✭✭beagle001


    I think your thread is a great idea,would love to get involved sometime next mth but am too occupied with examinations right now to give it real focus.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 267 ✭✭Adrock-aka


    beagle001 wrote: »
    Funny you mention range bought 50 k shares this afternoon at a little over .19,let's hope it follows a positive path.

    Given the fact that you've traded it and there's been a really good thread on it on here. We'll take this as the first trade!

    BOOM! the fund is off.

    Edit - completely understandable. Good luck in the exams.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 764 ✭✭✭beagle001


    Cheers the joys of education as a mature student.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 267 ✭✭Adrock-aka


    ixus wrote: »
    Find it difficult to search for commodities, currencies, ETFs and Indices.

    Being a bit thick at the moment.

    Adjusted the search settings! We should have access now.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 927 ✭✭✭turbobaby


    Superb idea!

    I'd be delighted if you could stick an order in for 50k worth of Agnico Eagle Mines. AEM. Either in USD but preferably CAD if you can get AEM.TO

    Mining stocks seriously manipulated by the hedge funds shorting them, and they're gonna blow soon! AEM are onenof the best miners around.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 267 ✭✭Adrock-aka


    turbobaby wrote: »
    Superb idea!

    I'd be delighted if you could stick an order in for 50k worth of Agnico Eagle Mines. AEM. Either in USD but preferably CAD if you can get AEM.TO

    Mining stocks seriously manipulated by the hedge funds shorting them, and they're gonna blow soon! AEM are onenof the best miners around.

    Gets my vote! http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=AEM.TO

    How long do you think it'l take for the stock to jump? Is the current price (CAD 62.86) where you would like to get in? Oh, because you're a PFM (portfolio manager) and you're one of the first five to get involved - your trade has gone through at CAD 62.61!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 927 ✭✭✭turbobaby


    Adrock-aka wrote: »
    Gets my vote! http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=AEM.TO

    How long do you think it'l take for the stock to jump? Is the current price (CAD 62.86) where you would like to get in? Oh, because you're a PFM (portfolio manager) and you're one of the first five to get involved - your trade has gone through at CAD 62.61!

    Yes CAD, 62.61 was today's closing price so that'll do nicely!

    The miners have been taking a beating lately and it cannot continue as long as precious metals continue their rise.

    When it will jump nobody knows, except the Plunge Protection Team perhaps! Some suggest when earnings are released it will be a catalyst for the hedgies to cover their shorts. It will be worth the wait, no doubt about it!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 267 ✭✭Adrock-aka


    turbobaby wrote: »
    Yes CAD, 62.61 was today's closing price so that'll do nicely!

    The miners have been taking a beating lately and it cannot continue as long as precious metals continue their rise.

    When it will jump nobody knows, except the Plunge Protection Team perhaps! Some suggest when earnings are released it will be a catalyst for the hedgies to cover their shorts. It will be worth the wait, no doubt about it!

    Sounds great.

    What do you, and everyone else, think about the stop loss application for the fund? We have to be prudent if we want to limit losses and we don't want to catch falling knives etc etc

    We'll have to apply it to every trade if we want some uniformity and measurability - Right? I was thinking that somewhere between 5-8% price losses could trigger a sell.

    For a stock like AEM - there may be some more short selling in the short term (driving down the price) but great price gains in the medium term - so maybe towards 8% would be better? Thoughts?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,540 ✭✭✭freeze4real


    I'm into investments and stock trading but I've traded fx due to the leverage's. I'm still a newbie at it.


    I have this stock in mind, San Leon energy SLE.l. It's an oil and gas company. It has various sites in Poland Cameron and other parts of the world.

    It share price is under .50pence but it could move up to a 1 pound.

    W will have to decide what kind of trading pattern either for longterm or short term like swing traders.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,892 ✭✭✭Kersh


    This is gonna make great reading :)

    It should be stickied :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 926 ✭✭✭neil.p.b


    Great idea Adrock-aka. I'm not sure how much time i can put into it but i do take a quick look at the forum most days so i'll definitely contribute.

    Stop loss figure is a hard one to call. With major markets like the ftse, nyse you can be a bit more stringent and set it low, but when dealing with an AIM such as RRL stop losses are almost a sure fire way to lose money.

    I'm going to go for a very high risk/reward stock; for my first pick is US oil and gas, currently 50p, USOP.pz, http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/quote?ticker=USOP:PZ

    It's on the plus exchange, can we trade that on this platform? - Plus exchange trades should DEFINITELY not include a stop loss unless we're going to +30%, but even that, the nature of it can have bid/ask spreads of 10-15% alone.

    USOP have only 37m shares in issue (for anyone not familiar with small cap oilies that is nothing, RRL have 1.6 billion) with circa 70% held by the BOD - leaving only 10m on the daily float. They're targeting net proved and probable reserves of 46.05 million barrels, up to a probable maximum of 113 million barrels of recoverable oil. Drilling is expected to commence in the next month.

    Target of £1.00+ within the next month (on spudding), £2.50+ on discovery of oil (2 months). Depending on the amount of oil and flow rates it could go to £10+ after this. But at the same time failure in their currently funded drills would virtually wipe the company out.

    Due to the high risk of the investment i only advise putting 5% of the portfolio equity into it. IF the SP gets to over £1.00 i recommend top slicing 50%.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 288 ✭✭mono627


    Thread's got some decent feedback so fair play Adrock-aka. Alright something I was looking at this morning, the FTSE is nearing year high resistence levels (6091.3 - Feb). It bounced from a low of 6046.57 and has already rallied to 6063. I would be looking at the yearly high as an exit point. Must note that the rally is on pretty low volume, so back it while it lasts...wouldn't be surprised if it doesn't. Just throwing it out there.

    http://uk.finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=%5EFTSE#symbol=^ftse;range=1y;compare=;indicator=volume;charttype=area;crosshair=on;ohlcvalues=0;logscale=off;source=;


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 460 ✭✭mcbert


    Hmmm... interesting. I'll keep an eye on this!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 927 ✭✭✭turbobaby


    Adrock-aka wrote: »
    For a stock like AEM - there may be some more short selling in the short term (driving down the price) but great price gains in the medium term - so maybe towards 8% would be better? Thoughts?

    8% stop loss is fine with me!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 267 ✭✭Adrock-aka


    I'm into investments and stock trading but I've traded fx due to the leverage's. I'm still a newbie at it.


    I have this stock in mind, San Leon energy SLE.l. It's an oil and gas company. It has various sites in Poland Cameron and other parts of the world.

    It share price is under .50pence but it could move up to a 1 pound.

    W will have to decide what kind of trading pattern either for longterm or short term like swing traders.

    Liking the look of this chart! I'd say at minimum we can play this support and resistance channel. We'll sell just before there might be resistance (about 39.70) and if there's a breakout, we'll top up to 10% from 5%!

    Guys - as we're looking for absolute return here - if we get resistance around 40 will we sell and short sell? :P

    de64c033-8fec-4ba0-8c5c-44f25d93ef74.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 288 ✭✭mono627


    mono627 wrote: »
    Thread's got some decent feedback so fair play Adrock-aka. Alright something I was looking at this morning, the FTSE is nearing year high resistence levels (6091.3 - Feb). It bounced from a low of 6046.57 and has already rallied to 6063. I would be looking at the yearly high as an exit point. Must note that the rally is on pretty low volume, so back it while it lasts...wouldn't be surprised if it doesn't. Just throwing it out there.

    http://uk.finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=%5EFTSE#symbol=^ftse;range=1y;compare=;indicator=volume;charttype=area;crosshair=on;ohlcvalues=0;logscale=off;source=;

    I don't know if this trade went through or not, but I'd probably look to take a little profit if it did. Personally, I prefer taking a little portion of the trade off the table when the market gives it to you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 267 ✭✭Adrock-aka


    mono627 wrote: »
    Thread's got some decent feedback so fair play Adrock-aka. Alright something I was looking at this morning, the FTSE is nearing year high resistence levels (6091.3 - Feb). It bounced from a low of 6046.57 and has already rallied to 6063. I would be looking at the yearly high as an exit point. Must note that the rally is on pretty low volume, so back it while it lasts...wouldn't be surprised if it doesn't. Just throwing it out there.

    http://uk.finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=%5EFTSE#symbol=^ftse;range=1y;compare=;indicator=volume;charttype=area;crosshair=on;ohlcvalues=0;logscale=off;source=;

    Great stuff! Turbobaby, thanks for kicking off the voting. As time goes on, we'll get more stringent with the 'voting in' criteria, but for now, whoever is interested and participating will get preference.

    Because the fund doesn't currently have any leverage options (the zignals portfolio doesn't include margin facilities just yet) - i've requested the FTSE 100 ETF be added to the site so we can use it!http://www.etf.hsbc.com/etf/uk/institutional/ftse.html

    Once the ETF is set up - I will push a delayed buy of this ETF as of appx 10o'clock 27th April and order a sell for when/if the actual FTSE gets to near 6,090. So your $50,000 alloction has been set aside for this.

    Well spotted by the way. I hope you traded this!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 267 ✭✭Adrock-aka


    neil.p.b wrote: »
    Great idea Adrock-aka. I'm not sure how much time i can put into it but i do take a quick look at the forum most days so i'll definitely contribute.

    Stop loss figure is a hard one to call. With major markets like the ftse, nyse you can be a bit more stringent and set it low, but when dealing with an AIM such as RRL stop losses are almost a sure fire way to lose money.

    I'm going to go for a very high risk/reward stock; for my first pick is US oil and gas, currently 50p, USOP.pz, http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/quote?ticker=USOP:PZ

    It's on the plus exchange, can we trade that on this platform? - Plus exchange trades should DEFINITELY not include a stop loss unless we're going to +30%, but even that, the nature of it can have bid/ask spreads of 10-15% alone.

    USOP have only 37m shares in issue (for anyone not familiar with small cap oilies that is nothing, RRL have 1.6 billion) with circa 70% held by the BOD - leaving only 10m on the daily float. They're targeting net proved and probable reserves of 46.05 million barrels, up to a probable maximum of 113 million barrels of recoverable oil. Drilling is expected to commence in the next month.

    Target of £1.00+ within the next month (on spudding), £2.50+ on discovery of oil (2 months). Depending on the amount of oil and flow rates it could go to £10+ after this. But at the same time failure in their currently funded drills would virtually wipe the company out.

    Due to the high risk of the investment i only advise putting 5% of the portfolio equity into it. IF the SP gets to over £1.00 i recommend top slicing 50%.

    Cheers Neil! It's looking good so far. The odd stock pick, infrequent critique/recommendation, or thumbs up vote here and there is more than enough to keep this going. Appreciate your involvement.

    Unfortunately the only coverage we have of the English exchanges is for the LSE and AIM markets. I'll stick a request into the development schedule to get the AIM markets covered. May take some time but it would be a great addition.

    Your recommendation looks extremely solid, thanks for the detail. This is the sort of stuff that people can learn a lot from. If we could trade this, it would be in there in a flash! Is there any other stocks you like? Keep in mind that we can add OTC/PNK/CDNX/AIM stocks if they aren't already on the site.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 267 ✭✭Adrock-aka


    27th+April+GMT+3.15+pm.png

    Mono627's FTSE trade is a pending trade. Will put in asap.

    Anyone have any more stock picks? Don't forget to 'thumbs up/thanks' the OP so we know who's involved.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,540 ✭✭✭freeze4real


    Adrock-aka wrote: »
    27th+GMT+12.30.png

    Not to be pushy but I picked San leon not AEM.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 330 ✭✭xertpo


    This is a great idea. I've been off the airwaves for a few days, so I'm only just seeing this now.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 330 ✭✭xertpo


    neil.p.b wrote: »
    Great idea Adrock-aka. I'm not sure how much time i can put into it but i do take a quick look at the forum most days so i'll definitely contribute.

    Stop loss figure is a hard one to call. With major markets like the ftse, nyse you can be a bit more stringent and set it low, but when dealing with an AIM such as RRL stop losses are almost a sure fire way to lose money.

    I'm going to go for a very high risk/reward stock; for my first pick is US oil and gas, currently 50p, USOP.pz, http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/quote?ticker=USOP:PZ

    It's on the plus exchange, can we trade that on this platform? - Plus exchange trades should DEFINITELY not include a stop loss unless we're going to +30%, but even that, the nature of it can have bid/ask spreads of 10-15% alone.

    USOP have only 37m shares in issue (for anyone not familiar with small cap oilies that is nothing, RRL have 1.6 billion) with circa 70% held by the BOD - leaving only 10m on the daily float. They're targeting net proved and probable reserves of 46.05 million barrels, up to a probable maximum of 113 million barrels of recoverable oil. Drilling is expected to commence in the next month.

    Target of £1.00+ within the next month (on spudding), £2.50+ on discovery of oil (2 months). Depending on the amount of oil and flow rates it could go to £10+ after this. But at the same time failure in their currently funded drills would virtually wipe the company out.

    Due to the high risk of the investment i only advise putting 5% of the portfolio equity into it. IF the SP gets to over £1.00 i recommend top slicing 50%.

    Neil,

    I'm always on the lookout for new stocks and I'd never heard of USOP before your post. I've done a quick bit of googling and there ain't a great deal of info out there that would have led to USOP catching my eye prior to you mentioning them.
    Do you mind if I ask how you came across them? I only ask as I always seem to discover stocks from somebody else, and I'm keen to improve my own methods. cheers.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 926 ✭✭✭neil.p.b


    xertpo wrote: »
    Neil,

    I'm always on the lookout for new stocks and I'd never heard of USOP before your post. I've done a quick bit of googling and there ain't a great deal of info out there that would have led to USOP catching my eye prior to you mentioning them.
    Do you mind if I ask how you came across them? I only ask as I always seem to discover stocks from somebody else, and I'm keen to improve my own methods. cheers.


    A poster on the RRL lse board tipped them a couple of months back. I'd never even looked at the plus exchange before to be honest. Generally when most people bring up o/t stocks on a forum i wouldn't pay much attention, but the poster in question i hold in very high regard. His posts concerning RRL are generally very good, which is hard to come across on any forum.

    Again i stress how high risk/reward the stock is. I've only got 5% if my equity in it, but at the same time i'm quite optimistic on it. They have a CoS of 80%, which is extremely high, if they prove recoverable oil at anywhere near the current estimations they will be a scramble for those 10m shares.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 927 ✭✭✭turbobaby


    Not to be pushy but I picked San leon not AEM.

    Yep, just needs a switch of the comments...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 330 ✭✭xertpo


    neil.p.b wrote: »
    A poster on the RRL lse board tipped them a couple of months back. I'd never even looked at the plus exchange before to be honest. Generally when most people bring up o/t stocks on a forum i wouldn't pay much attention, but the poster in question i hold in very high regard. His posts concerning RRL are generally very good, which is hard to come across on any forum.

    Again i stress how high risk/reward the stock is. I've only got 5% if my equity in it, but at the same time i'm quite optimistic on it. They have a CoS of 80%, which is extremely high, if they prove recoverable oil at anywhere near the current estimations they will be a scramble for those 10m shares.

    Thanks Neil. I'll take a look at closer look at them myself. I see they have an Irish connection, so it might be a little easier to get the inside track.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 927 ✭✭✭turbobaby


    xertpo wrote: »
    Thanks Neil. I'll take a look at closer look at them myself. I see they have an Irish connection, so it might be a little easier to get the inside track.

    Keep us updated!

    Nice performance from AEM on day one!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 288 ✭✭mono627


    My trade get triggered? I'd start looking to take profits if it did.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 267 ✭✭Adrock-aka


    April 28th Portfolio update

    Hi guys, would updates every 2 or 3 days in video form (like the below) be better than the screenshots? It would probably give a better insight into the workings of the portfolio.

    Keep the picks and votes coming! We want this thing 50% invested by the weekend if possible.




    Screenr has HD if you expand the window http://www.screenr.com/3Qi


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,152 ✭✭✭Idu


    Adrock-aka wrote: »
    April 28th Portfolio update

    http://www.screenr.com/3Qi

    Hi guys, would updates every 2 or 3 days in video form (like the above) be better than the screenshots? It would probably give a better insight into the workings of the portfolio.

    Keep the picks and votes coming! We want this thing 50% invested by the weekend if possible.

    <iframe src="http://www.screenr.com/embed/3Qi&quot; width="650" height="396" frameborder="0"></iframe>

    What's your rush? I thought you wanted to set this up like a real fund. Obviously it's not as much fun to actually have to research why a strategy is a good idea but you want to be 50% invested without even setting a risk profile or even having a clear trading plan as to what you want your exit from the trades to be.

    I can understand also why you offered up 5% positions to the first five people to get things moving and to drum up interest but 15% is already too much to have invested in three similar, highly speculative stocks. You need to think of capital protection not just what potentially offers the greatest rewards.

    Great idea but the way you are doing it is actually far far removed from the reality and not a true reflection on real life trading. Anyone can be reckless with a fake account but I thought the point was to actually simulate a real world environment


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 267 ✭✭Adrock-aka


    Idu wrote: »
    What's your rush? I thought you wanted to set this up like a real fund. Obviously it's not as much fun to actually have to research why a strategy is a good idea but you want to be 50% invested without even setting a risk profile or even having a clear trading plan as to what you want your exit from the trades to be.

    I can understand also why you offered up 5% positions to the first five people to get things moving and to drum up interest but 15% is already too much to have invested in three similar, highly speculative stocks. You need to think of capital protection not just what potentially offers the greatest rewards.

    Great idea but the way you are doing it is actually far far removed from the reality and not a true reflection on real life trading. Anyone can be reckless with a fake account but I thought the point was to actually simulate a real world environment

    Excellent point - we do want it to be a realistic fund (as realistic as possible anyway). Like you said, threads have a short shelf life and are prone to fading away when there's little initial interest. I was just trying to run with the momentum. If you hadn't noticed, only 2 people (including myself) were voting for other's stock picks and this process is the only mechanism we can use to manage the fund. If we had waited for 5 votes... we may never have made one trade. So I had to run with what was there. Admittedly, not the best solution but structure and better due diligence/planning will hopefully come with time.

    Even though we don't have a concrete risk profile, capital allocation rules, or profit objectives - I was hoping that these things could be brought up and discussed (by experienced traders such as yourself) so others can get to grips with the reasoning of why were doing it.

    You post just exposed 3 gaping holes in the fund. Awesome. Could you suggest a general outline for a potential:

    1) Risk Profile
    2) Set of trading objectives
    3) Capital protection straetgy

    Any stock picks!? :P

    Edit - and consider the 'free 5% allocation for the first X amount of people' retracted.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 460 ✭✭mcbert


    Been lurking a bit here, but now here's my two cents: United Therapeutics

    Revenue up:
    http://finance.yahoo.com/news/United-Therapeutics-prnews-1189486503.html?x=0&.v=1

    A few recent analyst upgrades:
    http://finance.yahoo.com/q/ud?s=UTHR

    Probably risky, so inclusion depends on our fund risk profile...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 267 ✭✭Adrock-aka


    Thanks Mcbert. Guys get to voting with a thumbs up 'thanks' if you want the share included.

    Because inflation is surging, and because its generally a good thing to do for a diversified portfolio, i'm going to suggest a 10% capital allocation to the below commodity-based ETFs. Commodity prices are correlated to inflation and thus, provide an inflationary hedge (when inflation rises, commodity prices rise). Commodity prices are also not correlated to equity prices, so there are diversification and risk reduction benefits also.

    PowerShares DB Precious Metals DBP
    PowerShares DB Agriculture DBA
    PowerShares DB Energy DBE

    Thoughts on the ETFs/position sizing?




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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 927 ✭✭✭turbobaby


    tockpick sounds good to me!

    AEM already up 5% in two days. The shorts maybe down now!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,540 ✭✭✭freeze4real


    How are we doing o far ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 267 ✭✭Adrock-aka


    Not doing the may west! All of our positions are down. For the two penny stocks, we initially wanted to keep them for the medium term but when does a loss become too severe?

    The 7/8% stop loss (as mentioned before in this thread) doesn't really work for volatile small caps but we need some sort of stop loss.

    Does anyone want anything else included in here? Come on! I still think we should have exposure to commodities through ETFs. If you want them in the portfolio- click thanks and vote it in.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,205 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    This thread should be hilarious, there isn't a worthless POS stock out there that hasn't been recommended on boards at one time or another. What is the index you'll be using as a comparison? I suggest the FTSE All-World Index or the MSCI equivalent which can be tracked using either Vanguard VT or iShares ACWI ETFs.

    I suggest you also get a blind monkey to pick a portfolio (no, seriously). Or, less facetiously, pick a portfolio at random.

    Both these portfolios would be good for comparison purposes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 267 ✭✭Adrock-aka


    I think a normal sighted monkey picking stocks would suffice to prove the point - but we'll try to source a blind one.

    The ftse all world sounds good as a benchmark (is AW01 the ticker?)

    What was your most recent trade hmmm? If it was good enough for you to trade, and if you have the time to justify your pick with a few short sentences, stick it on here so we can get it into the portfolio!

    Maybe a few words about the rules you've set yourself with regards to your stock selection?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,540 ✭✭✭freeze4real


    It might be too late for this but I should have told you LNG. I've been watching this since September it has gone from $3.22 to $12.20.


    How's Sle.l doing ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 267 ✭✭Adrock-aka


    Sorry for the radio silence.
    Since the last post, we've gotten out of RRL as the net loss went higher than 10% and we've given it a bit of time. I'll cancel the sell if anyone can provide reasoning to keep it in.

    We bought into SLE at 36p and its 32.50p at the moment so we've an unrealised £3,000 loss on the portfolio. I think we should get out at 11% or 12% for penny stocks going forward, sound good?

    My next recommendation for a 10% stake will be VMWARE a leader in cloud computing technology. Its EPS growth over the past few years and quarters has been consistently impressive and the stock price is nearing all-time highs.

    http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=VMW

    It shows a clasically strong chart pattern (cup with handle) which has identified a profitable looking buy point at about $97.30 and it looks like it will do very well in the next few months/years.

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    The price base at the bottom of the cup suggests that there has been a shakeout of weaker/shorter term investors and more solid longerterm investors hold the stock now. With some decent buy volume this week, it looks like a good punt.


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    Click thanks below if you'd like to see it in the portfolio!

    There will be a 6% stop loss with the above.

    Anyone trading anything else??? Lets get some more suggestions in!

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,061 ✭✭✭✭Thargor


    RRL should be behaving itself from now on.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,061 ✭✭✭✭Thargor


    Actually maybe it wont, we're still a month out from the action, it could drift for the next couple of weeks with the lack of news and the way things are in general.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 499 ✭✭Roonbox


    I'm gonna jump aboard this thread see if theres any action left in it..

    Went short Dow at 12555 a few days ago -

    targetting 100dma to get out -

    watching TBT for an entry point - long term position

    keeping an eye on wheat & sugar


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