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Slaves, Labour and Fine Gael

  • 23-04-2011 6:18pm
    #1
    Lefticus Loonaticus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 201 ✭✭


    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2011/0423/1224295311884.html

    Women who the catholic church abducted and used for slave labour have appealed to the UN to force the Irish government to take responsibility.

    I was of the thought that since FF were now out of power, FG and Lab would have had this as one the top issues that should be dealt with and put to rest?

    Yet, the magdalane survivors still have to go outside the country to try and find help. When will Ireland stop abusing these people? Has anything changed at all?

    These people have the same trauma as those that endured consentration camps in WW2. How can this still be just completely ignored? I find it unimaginable that the new government will try and continue the same tactic as the last, to hope that they will just go away and die of old age.


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  • #2
    Seloth
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,039 ✭✭✭Seloth


    I' going to come across as a total ass but FG and Lab have been in government already before after these were revealed..How come they didn't do it then either.


  • #3
    johnnyskeleton
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 14,550 Mod ✭✭✭✭johnnyskeleton


    I have much sympathy for them, but I also think that during a serious economic meltdown of state finances is not the right time to start compensating everybody.


  • #4
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 41,235 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    johnnyskeleton wrote: »
    I have much sympathy for them, but I also think that during a serious economic meltdown of state finances is not the right time to start compensating everybody.
    ...as opposed to compensating the banks for their gambling losses, etc. :rolleyes:


  • #5
    Seloth
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,039 ✭✭✭Seloth


    kbannon wrote: »
    ...as opposed to compensating the banks for their gambling losses, etc. :rolleyes:


    Well would you rather have a 10 year recession or a 30 year one?
    Morally its not right but tough decisions do have to be made.


  • #6
    later12
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,299 ✭✭✭✭later12


    Seloth wrote: »
    Well would you rather have a 10 year recession or a 30 year one?
    I am enormously curious to know from where you might be getting the 10 year and 30 year figures.

    In any case, I wouldn't be opposed to this issue being examined by the UN; I don't believe economic matters should be mixed up in delivering justice, and redress, where appropriate. In any case, I'm not sure that such redress, where it delivered in monetary terms, would be anything but a blip on the country's current exposures. And, although I hate these glib comments, it does strike me that in principle, we owe a lot more to these women than to some of our more opportune creditors.


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  • #7
    Seloth
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,039 ✭✭✭Seloth


    later10 wrote: »
    I am enormously curious to know from where you might be getting the 10 year and 30 year figures.

    In any case, I wouldn't be opposed to this issue being examined by the UN; I don't believe economic matters should be mixed up in delivering justice, and redress, where appropriate. In any case, I'm not sure that such redress, where it delivered in monetary terms, would be anything but a blip on the country's current exposures. And, although I hate these glib comments, it does strike me that in principle, we owe a lot more to these women than to some of our more opportune creditors.

    Its not meant to b fact heh:o Just an example.

    It would have been more correct to say would you rather a shot recession or a long one.


  • #8
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 41,235 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Seloth wrote: »
    Its not meant to b fact heh:o Just an example.

    It would have been more correct to say would you rather a shot recession or a long one.
    I'd rather that we had a fair society!


  • #9
    Seloth
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,039 ✭✭✭Seloth


    kbannon wrote: »
    I'd rather that we had a fair society!

    So do we all but tbh I'm sure the average Joe would rather have a job first and then care then the other way around =/

    Harsh as that is it is the truth.


  • #10
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 41,235 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    I dunno.

    For years, they have been looking for some level of fairness to what they went through. Had this craphole of a country had any level of respect for its citizens then it would have given them priority from the start rather than let greed dominate policy.

    Now we are in a position where vistims of abuse have to go to the UN to force theis craphole to recognise what happened to them. Given this, what kind of socitey are we trying to build for everyone else?


    However, I guess that you are right - we only really care about ourselves here (given our love for the parish pump, etc.).


  • #11
    Seloth
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,039 ✭✭✭Seloth


    kbannon wrote: »
    I dunno.

    For years, they have been looking for some level of fairness to what they went through. Had this craphole of a country had any level of respect for its citizens then it would have given them priority from the start rather than let greed dominate policy.

    Now we are in a position where vistims of abuse have to go to the UN to force theis craphole to recognise what happened to them. Given this, what kind of socitey are we trying to build for everyone else?


    However, I guess that you are right - we only really care about ourselves here (given our love for the parish pump, etc.).

    Lol unfortunately its the same in practically every country,with Ireland being one of the better ones.While it might not seem it be glad your here and not in Israel where these woman would have gotten far worst treatment over what terrible things have happened to them already.


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  • #12
    Lefticus Loonaticus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 201 ✭✭Lefticus Loonaticus


    Seloth wrote: »
    Lol unfortunately its the same in practically every country,with Ireland being one of the better ones.While it might not seem it be glad your here and not in Israel where these woman would have gotten far worst treatment over what terrible things have happened to them already.

    We may be better than Israel, but we are still the worst in western europe, an unenviable position.

    Its not about money or compo, its about justice and decency. Im pretty sure money means nothing to most of them at this stage. And if it were to be extracted from some institution, hopefully it wouldnt be the government, it would be the church who cashed in on the slave labour to begin with.


  • #13
    ilovesleep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,619 ✭✭✭ilovesleep


    Agree with kbannon above.

    Shocking stuff. Those poor women endured horrific torture at the hands of those in charge of the magdalane laundries when they were placed there. I cannot believe they haven't been compensated for the abuse they received.

    But not only were those women tortured but also little boys at the hands of priests.

    Ireland should chase the Vatican for compensation. Get a few billion from them.


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