Which city to pick near Trinity college?

kamaseinu

[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica]Hello,

As a french student in English, I'm going to move to Ireland over one or two years. I will study at Trinity college.

I'm seeking for a sympathic place to live. I'd prefer live in the countryside rather than in a dynamic town like Dublin. I like small villages, I'm not deeply attracted by Dublin, which is, to me, too dynamic to live there all day.

I like nature and environment, a quiet place would be nice, with a beautiful landscape in order to lift my spirit and with a nice community too (no doubt Irish people is nice, but I've heard some people saying some places in Ireland especially near Dublin are "filled" with jerks).
As Irish people, I would be glad to have your opinion.
Of course I'm also seeking a town near Trinity college, in order to move to Trinity without problems each days (the bus is not cheaper, I've seen prices like 85€/month for a student!).

I've already found the seaside town named Clontraf which seems to me really calm and original. Only 7km to Trinity.

I've also seen other towns as :

Whitehall, Drumcondra, Fairview, Johnstown, Golden Bridge, Crumlin, Harold's cross, Rathgar, Rathmines, Castleknock, Glasnevin, Ranelagh, Portobello, Kilnamanagh, ChristChurch, Ringsend, Donnycarney, Killester, Marino, Rialto, Chapelizod, Ballsbridge, Terenure, Sandymount.

What do you think of these cities? (sorry if I posted too much of them).

If you suggest me another cities, I would be glad too.
The biggest problem in order to make my opinion is that I do not find enough data about these cities, few websites, few videos or pictures about these towns. Only a lot for Dublin.

Thank you for replying.
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Lahm

Well in all fairness the likes of Drumcondra is Dublin.

It's only a few minutes walk away.



Those places you named are not cities or towns. They are just parts of the city itself.

Gavin "shels"

All the places you listed above are all part of Dublin City, you won't find much countryside within travelling distance of Trinity tbh. Leopardstown and out that direction would be the closest you'd get with being able to get the Green Line Luas into Stephens Green.

partyatmygaff

kamaseinu wrote: »

Whitehall, Drumcondra, Fairview, Johnstown, Golden Bridge, Crumlin, Harold's cross, Rathgar, Rathmines, Castleknock, Glasnevin, Ranelagh, Portobello, Kilnamanagh, ChristChurch, Ringsend, Donnycarney, Killester, Marino, Rialto, Chapelizod, Ballsbridge, Terenure, Sandymount.

None of these are towns. They're just parts of Dublin City and County.

Some of those places aren't exactly what we'd consider "nice" places to live in Dublin.

Of those places the nicest and most convenient for Trinity College would be Castleknock. If you find a place to live somewhere near Castleknock Village you'll be near the Phoenix Park and Trinity will only be about 20-30 minutes away.

Sid_Justice

malahide

PKen

From a Rent point of view, you'll pay higher in these areas. Like the others have said, the places mentioned are part of Dublin.
I would suggest moving away, a little further. Maynooth, Celbridge and Leixlip would be very suitable. These towns are in (North) Kildare and are served very well by public transport into Dublin City.
(i) Maynooth is a University town. The National University of Ireland (NUI) is located here. Very studenty - that could be good or bad?
(ii) Celbridge is home to Castletown House, one of the finest 18th century Paladian style houses in Ireland. Not quite Versailles, but worth a visit, if in need of some architectural inspiration.
(iii) Leixlip (my town) is where some of the Guinness family still live and where the first of the famous black drink was brewed (allegedly).
All these towns are located relatively close to green belts, so plenty of "Out Of City" experiences will be had. The main plus is that you're not in the city, but comuting distance from it - about 40 minutes.

kamaseinu

Thanks for all your answers! I'm really glad.:)

I've been searching on the internet but it is really hard to find more infos.

Sorry for the mistake, in France we consider every city as a village or a town, my bad, thanks for pointing it.

Leopardstown, Malahide, Cellbridge and Leixlip seems far to Trinity college to me. I have been searching for the time commute by bus, but I can only find the bus commute but no information about the time.
People even said that Maynooth was far better than Leixlip.

According to your answers I understand that to live in a countryside city near Dublin, I have to move away from it, but stay near Trinity college is a priority as I would be a student there, so if it can help I'm making clear what I would like to have.

Basically what I am searching for is a nice place to live with sympathic people and a not too dynamic town (let's even say a quiet town) and some quiet place with a river, trees, grass where you can have nice walks (if possible nice and longs walks) without any disturbance, at least one haven of peace, if there is also ruins or elements like that it would be a plus. I would be interested by a place with few noise, where I live in France, I hear cars every minutes, it's really annoying (I'm not even counting the number of cars that crossed the roundabout in front of my window during this message).

From what I have already seen, Ireland seems to be really cute : houses, people, setting...but if I can "avoid" the "industrial" side in Dublin, it would be a plus.

petethebrick

Perhaps somewhere along the coast.
Malahide, Howth, Sutton etc
All lovely places, much quiter than the city centre
The DART train will get you into trinity in less than 30 minutes every morning.

littleredspot

Plus 1 for Malahide or Howth. Very convenient on the DART, lots of lovely walks along the coast in both, or over Howth head, or Malahide castle. Nice village feel to both. Just make sure where you're renting is within a short walk of the train station.

kamaseinu

I've already seen Howth and Malahide, but they seem a bit far to Trinity to me, that is why I chose Clontarf, which is closer to Trinity (but is it a good place according to what I explained?).

I think Malahide, Howth or Sutton would be a nice place, but DART prices are expensive (12€ for student card and no idea of prices but over a month I think it would be more than 100€), from what I have seen the prices of the bus for a month is 85€, I think it would be okay to take the bus, but the DART would be a bit too expensive for me, that is why I think live in Howth, Malahide or Sutton would be a problem.

John_Rambo

Hi.

First of all Dublin and near Dublin is not filled with jerks, it's one of the friendliest cities in the world and probably the friendliest in Ireland. I don't know where you got your information, but it's like saying all French people are unwashed, presumptuous, rude, garlic smelling people who will go on strike for any excuse they are that lazy. You get assholes every where, even France.

Clontarf is lovely, but beside Clontarf is Raheny. It's not as "exclusive", but it is actually better serviced by public transport, it's got the DART and loads of bus routes in and out of the city, to Howth, Malahide etc...

Raheny is on the coast, and there is a causeway across a lagoon to the Bull Island. This is a nature reserve island, amazing place, beach, mud flats, extensive dune system... There is also a 190 acre park in the area with wooded areas, meadows and loads of walks. This park is full of wildlife. The closer to the coast in Raheny, the better.

Howth is stunning, but gets very very crowded in the summer.

kamaseinu

Sorry, I should have explained better, I meant that a lot of people (well maybe its not a truth) told me that near Dublin (especially in his suburbs) one could encounter disreputable places or even violent people, and that you have to avoid some places.

I did not want to insult Irish people, but that is true I should have explained it better, no doubt that Irish people are nice and friendly, everyone told me Ireland and Irish people was the place.

But I disagree on one point...people in France ARE presomptuous and willing to go on strike:). Well, not all of them but to be honest a majority of them yes.

From what you said, Raheny seems interesting to me.

Do anyone got an idea of the prices of a month commute by DART? (for a student). But I think the prices depends on distance, let's say the prices for a month for Howth to Trinity. On the official website I do not find the prices, only the 12€ student card.

RandolphEsq

K.I.S.S. OP

littleredspot

All the areas you're talking about will be dearer to rent in. You could easily cycle from Clontarf to Trinity which will save you transport costs.

bigsmokewriting

Dublin is a reasonably safe city - there are bad areas, like anywhere else, but many of these are fine during daytime hours.

Traffic in Dublin is bad and the bus system is not great. It's well worth being near a DART or Luas line. The city is a sprawling one and really what it seems like you're looking for is a quieter suburb near some greenery - there are plenty of parks around (Phoenix Park on the northside, Marlay Park on the south, for example) as indeed there are in the city centre - to be avoided late at night but otherwise fine.

Not sure 'really cute' is the right term for this country. There are parts of rural Ireland that might be closer to what you're looking for, but you're going to be studying in Dublin city centre, not going on a holiday! As for the people - there will be friendly people and dreadful people everywhere, and it'll really come down to who you're living with and the people you meet in college, not the neighbours.

nervous_twitch

Kamaseinu, il vaut mieux peut-être que vous posiez ces questions au forum français, où les autres français qui habitent à Dublin peuvent vous donner leurs conseils. Je sais que vous voulez pratiquer votre anglais, mais vous pouvez faire ça quand vouz arrivez!

jelly&icecream

nervous_twitch wrote: »

Kamaseinu, il vaut mieux peut-être que vous posiez ces questions au forum français, où les autres français qui habitent à Dublin peuvent vous donner leurs conseils. Je sais que vous voulez pratiquer votre anglais, mais vous pouvez faire ça quand vouz arrivez!

Her english is fine! She's probably better asking her questions here where there are likely to be a wider range of people who know more specific information about the areas of interest.

nervous_twitch

jelly&icecream wrote: »

Her english is fine! She's probably better asking her questions here where there are likely to be a wider range of people who know more specific information about the areas of interest.

I didnt say it wasnt? I only suggested she try the French forum because its often frequented by natives who are living here; maybe their opinion and experience would be helpful.

kamaseinu

*cough*

Except that I'm a man:D

What I meant by really cute was the pittoresque houses and setting in Ireland, it remembers me Bretagne in France. But I think the real beauty of Ireland does not lie in Dublin (ring of Kerry, Connemara...).

I agree that I will go here in order to study, but as the lettings in Dublin are expensive, and as I'm ready to live in the suburbs of Dublin, why not pick a quiet zone with a nice setting;).

jelly&icecream

kamaseinu wrote: »

*cough*

Except that I'm a man:D

Oops!

Sid_Justice

So you're moving to Dublin to go to Trinity. But you don't want to live in Dublin because some French person told you the entire city is dangerous and 'unsympathetic'. And you want this thread to tell you unequivocally which place to live.

nervous_twitch

In that case, I'd recommend somewhere close to Marlay Park. Its quite nice. Its on the 16 bus route, which drops you right beside Trinity, and is a relatively quiet area. Its not on the coast, however. But is very close to the mountains!

kamaseinu

Thanks I'm gonna look at Marlay park.

To Sid if you had read all my posts you would have seen that I have heard about places in Dublin. Not the entire city.
Plus, I never said Dublin was unsympathetic. Please read again my posts.

I just seek a quiet place, near Dublin, that's all. To me Dublin is too dynamic to live in (plus the lettings are expensive). If I have no other choice, I would live near Dublin with no problem, but as I have several choices, why do not study all of them?

John Mason

OP - look for somewhere on the Dartline

Sandmount, Dun Laoghaire, Blackrock - they are all on the coast and walkable to Trinity if you had to - the Dart and buses are regular and cheap

Originally Posted by kamaseinu
but DART prices are expensive (12€ for student card and no idea of prices but over a month I think it would be more than 100€), .

12e x 4 = 48e

kamaseinu

48€ for one month? It would be realy nice, because I have not found any information about the prices of the DART.

John Mason

48€ for one month? It would be realy nice, because I have not found any information about the prices of the DART

I was basing that you on your figures of 12e - i think i miss read your post

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there is a list here of the travel costs for dublin
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kamaseinu

Thanks Irishbird, I really appreciate it:)

I have also seen Ringsend, is it good? 3km from Trinity.

sagat2

Malahide, Howth or Greystones. Take your pick.

bullpost

Possibly a bit gritty and urban for you.

kamaseinu wrote: »

Thanks Irishbird, I really appreciate it:)

I have also seen Ringsend, is it good? 3km from Trinity.

PKen

kamaseinu, what's the difference between spending 25 minutes on a bus compared to 40 minutes? Why the obsession with living in Dublin, especially considering you don't like the "Urban" landscape.
I'm from and used to live in Dublin, but wouldn't live there if you paid me. The likes of Malahide (northside) and Dun Laoghaire (southside) would be the exception, but couldn't afford to buy a house there.

HivemindXX

I'll agree with everyone who said somewhere on the Dart line. You get 50% city and 50% sea that way.

Places like Clontarf and Blackrock would have been distinct towns at some point in the past but they are all well within the city of Dublin at this time. There are plenty of places that are quiet and residential in those area. Dublin is not like Paris (the parts I've seen anyway) there are far more quiet residential areas full of semi-detached house.

Google has been around with the camcars so you can do a virtual tour using streeview on maps.google.ie if you want to see what an area looks like. Obviously you are not the only person who likes areas that are quiet and nice so the price reflects that. The more you like a place the more expensive it is likely to be to live in.

not even wrong

kamaseinu wrote: »

Basically what I am searching for is a nice place to live with sympathic people and a not too dynamic town (let's even say a quiet town) and some quiet place with a river, trees, grass where you can have nice walks (if possible nice and longs walks) without any disturbance, at least one haven of peace, if there is also ruins or elements like that it would be a plus. I would be interested by a place with few noise, where I live in France, I hear cars every minutes, it's really annoying (I'm not even counting the number of cars that crossed the roundabout in front of my window during this message).

You could try Chapelizod or Islandbridge, these are decent areas on the River Liffey and right next to Phoenix Park (one of the biggest urban parks in Europe, has its own herd of deer and everything). Islandbridge is within walking distance of the red line tram; from Chapelizod you'll be getting the bus.

kamaseinu

To PKen : I'd rather like to be near Trinity college in case I got a problem (traffic or whatever) and I think it would be more suitable to be near Trinity (maybe I'm wrong).

I'm also seeking a place not so far from Trinity because I fear that my Erasmus' headteacher will be pissed if I choose a far-off city like Dun Laoghaire for example (which seems wonderful to me).

As someone said, I'm here in order to study too and I only seek a quiet place with natural elements. If I can go to Trinity by cycle it would save me some money. Then, places like Dun Laoghaire (for example) will be my top priorities as places to visit, not a problem if I do not live there since I can visit the area.


To HivemindXX : thanks for google link, I did not know this application. I'll check it.

After this afternoon and some searches, I think a place like Clontraf, Ringsend or Sandymount will tally with my desires. Do you think they are nices places? Or which one would be the best?

From what I have seen, they have lettings for good prices in Clontraf, or Ringsend, I do not think there is a lot of differences in the landscape between these areas.
I've seen that Sandymount prices were more expensive (not only the rents) and that Ringsend had industries which smelled (not a problem though).
They all have shops for whatever (or what one would need) and are close to DART or bus if really needed (the lettings in Clontraf are 1km to a bus if needed and 4km to Trinity).

But only people satisfied with Clontraf or Sandymount (except the prices in Sandymount).

From what I have seen, even of the areas near Dublin, your houses in Ireland seems beautiful, I think I would be really glad.


To not_even_wrong : I'll check more about Chapelizod, as I was also interested by the place.

Inbox

I think Clontarf would be great. Near the train,near the city centre,beside the coast.Easy to get to nice places of natural beauty like Malahide,Howth,Portmarnock,St Annes park in Raheny. Nearer to the airport. Id like to live there too

John Mason

I'm also seeking a place not so far from Trinity because I fear that my Erasmus' headteacher will be pissed if I choose a far-off city like Dun Laoghaire for example (which seems wonderful to me).

i think you are a bit confused with the layout of Dublin. Dun Laoghaire is by no means a "far-off City"

its a small town in Dublin which is probably the same distance away as Clontarf.

Dublin is really really small, really small, none of the places mentioned here are far far away

kamaseinu

To me Dun Laoghaire was 15km to Dublin. I think it is a bit "far-off" in case I got a problem (traffic or anything) I'm not able to go to Trinity fast, that if why I was searching for areas not that far from Dublin.

But maybe I'm wrong, I was checking with googlemaps.

dan_d

New poster here, usually lurk in the north County thread.

OP, you're a bit confused about the layout of Dublin.The city centre is very small. Areas like Sandymount, Clontarf, Raheny, Drumcondra....all are within a fairly quick (30mins or less) cycle from Trinity college. There are 3 main stations in Dublin city centre - Connolly, Tara Street and Pearse.Clontarf DART station is the last stop before Connolly.Raheny is about 20 mins from Tara Street. Sandymount is hardly any distance either.

Let me explain this - I live in Rush, in North County Dublin.I am a 40 min drive from the city centre (ie Trinity), with good traffic. Bad traffic, maybe 50 mins. And I consider myself to live in Dublin.

As a rule of thumb, anywhere within the M50, which is the road around the Dublin (check Google maps) tends to be considered Dublin city. (that's a very general rule of thumb!!!) You're looking at areas that were once suburbs but have now been swallowed up by the city. As a result, they tend to be busy and noisy, unless you're in one of the side streets.

Clontarf is nice, but it's probably a bit expensive. It is on the seafront, very busy depending on where you are.
Drumcondra - also nice, can be busy, probably a bit pricey
Sandymount - I'd imagine, very pricey (open to correction).It's on the seafront, basically runs into Ringsend, tends to be fairly busy.

If you want quiet, with open spaces, greenery etc, you'll have to go further afield, to say Portmarnock, Malahide, Dun Laoghaire, Glenageary....the price you pay for that is a longer commute (30mins or so by DART). But it can definitely be done, given that a huge proportion of people who come into Dublin every day live in those areas and further out.

I hope that helps.

Corruptedmorals

kamaseinu wrote: »

Leopardstown, Malahide, Cellbridge and Leixlip seems far to Trinity college to me. I have been searching for the time commute by bus, but I can only find the bus commute but no information about the time.
People even said that Maynooth was far better than Leixlip.

Maynooth is a livelier town than Leixlip, with more pubs/restaraunts etc. but also quite historic, similar to Leixlip. The difference in atmosphere being that Maynooth is home to a university. It also has a giant supermarket, Leixlip does not have any big supermarkets. Maynooth, Leixlip and Celbridge are all lovely towns, plenty of historic buildings ruins (there's a fair few castles and old churches in all three), lots of greenery, walks etc. and farms. The commute from Leixlip is 35-40 minutes, by bus or train. Maynooth would be 45-50, by bus or train. Celbridge is the same by bus, it has a train service too but it is slightly outside the city centre and a good walk to Trinity. I commute from Leixlip to Trinity and/or work almost every day. It's fine, I don't find that it takes up too much of the day at all. The bus fare is €2.30. Some busses at peak times skip part of the journey, and they cost €2.60. These fares are the second highest in the bus service, so getting a student ricket means massive savings. €78 will get you a student 30-day non-consecutive bus ticket, so you don't have to worry about losing days. I worked it out ages ago that I save at least €50 a month, often more, by getting the ticket.

You might consider Lucan? It's actually in Dublin, the other three I mentioned are not. It's quite a big sprawly place though, unlike the other three. It IS closer though, and one of its busses takes an express routs for all journeys. Would take about 25-30 minutes, possibly less. Not as quiet as Leixlip, Maynooth and Celbridge though.

I would suggest either somewhere on the DART lines either. Ringsend, Clontarf, Sandymount, Whitehall, Drumcondra etc. and most of the other places you have mentioned are extremely convenient to Trinity, most are very walkable actually. But you won't get much quietness or greenery though, so if that's the most important part, I'd suggest places further out. Leixlip is actually not near as far as you'd think, it's about a 25 minute drive with very little traffic.

Polar101

I'd also recommend checking out the different areas in Google Street View to see if they look like something that appeals to you.

Jicked

I'd recommend looking at Rathfarnham. It will be about 30 minutes on a bus to Trinity College. There's a small village, but also large stores like Tesco nearby, and a big shopping centre in Dundrum 10 minutes away too. There are some beautiful parks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Enda's_Park and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marlay_Park) and you can walk to the Dublin mountains easily (you could even begin the Wicklow Way walk/trek which begins in Rathfarnham http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wicklow_Way). There's plenty of housing estates around where you should be able to find something affordable, and also some new apartment complexes too.

TheVoodoo

Tbh, Dun Laoghaire is not far from trinity at all, it's on the DART line, along with several buses. I'm not sure what you'd see as an 'urgent problem'. You'll be in college during daytime hours, and home, when the admin buildings are closed. I'm an Erasmus student advisor in UCD, and there are never urgent problems that require a student to rush into college.

Besides that, a lot of Dublin uses QBCs / Bus Lanes, so traffic getting into the city is not a problem.

As nearly every other poster has said, check out Dun Laoghaire, Blackrock, Clontard etc.

kamaseinu

Thanks to all of you, I'll use googlestreetview then in order to make my own opinion.

I'm glad to know that it is not a problem to go from Dun Laoghaire to Trinity by bus, so I'll study every town and watch closely everything you said.

I have already been interested by the whole areas you mentioned, excepted Lucan so I'll watch how is Lucan by googlestreet too.

kamaseinu

I'm a Trinity student living in Howth.

kamaseinu wrote: »

Do anyone got an idea of the prices of a month commute by DART? (for a student). But I think the prices depends on distance, let's say the prices for a month for Howth to Trinity. On the official website I do not find the prices, only the 12€ student card.

I get an extra discount on my monthly Dart ticket, but friends of mine pay about 75-80€ for theirs, using a student travelcard which costs 12€ (for €15 they'll give you the card and take your photo for you). Clontarf/Fairview area sounds fine, near the Park I assume you're thinking of. Other than the park it isn't particularly peaceful but if you're near the Dart you can use your monthly ticket to go to other places (Howth really is beautiful, there's beach, piers, weekend markets, cliff walks and forest, and 2 golf clubs). By DART, it takes 30 mins from Howth to Trinity, 10 mins from Clontarf Road to Trinity, and 20 from Dun Laoghaire to Trinity. Pearse Street Dart station is literally right beside the college. If you're studying English, most of your lectures will be across on the opposite side of college from the Dart station, which is a 5 minute walk give or take a few minutes.

My 30 minute journey is actually quite quick in my opinion. The only thing you have to bear in mind is that Irish transport isn't as reliable as French transport. Darts will usually be 2 minutes early on the northside, with the occasional late departure. However, buses are far less reliable. They've just installed live update signs at a lot of bus stops, which I can't comment on, but buses on the northside of Dublin can be a bit early or very late or sometimes not come at all. Then there's the traffic. If you take the Dart, there's no traffic, whereas with the bus there is. To get to trinity you'll be in city centre traffic, which has been known to have an average speed equal to that of walking (That's a fact, not a joke). I would definitely recommend either cycling or taking the Dart.

scooby2791

To be honest, Dun Laoghaire would be a pretty solid choice. A weekly student bus ticket is only €15.90 and the 46a & 7 both go through Dun Laoghaire and drop you off relatively close to Trinity, there both very frequent aswel. There is also a DART station for the times when traffic is bad. Its got a decent harbour view area, can be pricey in some parts to rent but not if you get room-mates, you would be looking at around 400+ a month (based on my own experience) and it has pretty much everything you need in the town aswel regarding shops and that. Can be a fair few dodgy people about but they mainly stick to The Lion Bar and up that area.

Howth/Sutton/Malahide/Clontarf are all very similar aswel - bus and DART service these area's, plenty of shops etc but rent would be fairly high and in places like Sutton/Howth it might be harder to find apartments as they are slightly older area's with alot of older large houses which are pricey rent wise.

Also, no need to worry about the distance of the area's in relation to Trinity. Once its on the DART line your grand and since nearly all area's mentioned have bus routes through them, commuting wouldn't be an issue.

Chris Hansen

kamaseinu wrote: »

[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica]Hello,

As a french student in English, I'm going to move to Ireland over one or two years. I will study at Trinity college.

I'm seeking for a sympathic place to live. I'd prefer live in the countryside rather than in a dynamic town like Dublin. I like small villages, I'm not deeply attracted by Dublin, which is, to me, too dynamic to live there all day.

I like nature and environment, a quiet place would be nice, with a beautiful landscape in order to lift my spirit and with a nice community too (no doubt Irish people is nice, but I've heard some people saying some places in Ireland especially near Dublin are "filled" with jerks).
As Irish people, I would be glad to have your opinion.
Of course I'm also seeking a town near Trinity college, in order to move to Trinity without problems each days (the bus is not cheaper, I've seen prices like 85€/month for a student!).

I've already found the seaside town named Clontraf which seems to me really calm and original. Only 7km to Trinity.

I've also seen other towns as :

Whitehall, Drumcondra, Fairview, Johnstown, Golden Bridge, Crumlin, Harold's cross, Rathgar, Rathmines, Castleknock, Glasnevin, Ranelagh, Portobello, Kilnamanagh, ChristChurch, Ringsend, Donnycarney, Killester, Marino, Rialto, Chapelizod, Ballsbridge, Terenure, Sandymount.

What do you think of these cities? (sorry if I posted too much of them).

If you suggest me another cities, I would be glad too.
The biggest problem in order to make my opinion is that I do not find enough data about these cities, few websites, few videos or pictures about these towns. Only a lot for Dublin.

Thank you for replying.
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Ballymun isnt too dynamic love