So.. what killed her?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2011/apr/17/louise-cattell-parents-ketamine-campaign

Every parent's worst nightmare: how ketamine killed our daughter


"The girls watched TV for a while and then Louise's friend went to bed. Louise was tired too but didn't think she'd be able to sleep, maybe because of taking the drug but also because she had things on her mind. She had given up her job [as a visual merchandiser for the fashion chain New Look] before going to Australia and she knew she had to find another one because she had bills to pay. She'd been worrying about that. So she said she was going to take a bath to help her relax. About an hour later her friend woke up and realised straight away that something was wrong. She just had a feeling. She went into the bathroom and found her. She had fallen asleep in the bath and drowned."

I think falling asleep in the bath killed her.

mikom

Man goes for a swim after drinking strong alcohol, drowns.
What killed him.
Stupidity, not the alcohol.

Kiera

Where's the "water in her lungs" option?

chillywilly

If she was on ket at the time then there is a big possibility that ket was th reason she fell asleep/unconcious in the bath. Mad drug.

Ghost Train

well does give the factors which may be relevant

And, crucially, in relation to Louise's case, if the drug is taken with other depressant drugs such as alcohol, even a small amount can dangerously suppress breathing and heart function and can lead to unconsciousness.

usually if you can't breath you'd wake up?

Oranage2

I always thought it was a ninja assassin.

galwayrush

Pretty much a perfect crime if you want to get rid of a family member.:pac:

4zn76tysfajdxp

I never expected the Guardian to be so... Daily Mailish.

Tigger

If she'd knocked back a bottle of grey goose then fallen asleep in a bath this would t have made the news

Imagine if every time some one died by Mossad entire after taking alcohol thag their loved ones went on a national press spree warning off the dangers of beer and chip pans or or alcopops and crossing a bush road

The whole thing is nonsense

Btw the answer is death by misadventure cause of death drowning after taking tranquilisers

El Weirdo

...the horse tranquilliser that is currently the "party drug" of choice among young people across the UK.

Pfft. Maybe about 3 years ago.

pragmatic1

chillywilly wrote: »

If she was on ket at the time then there is a big possibility that ket was th reason she fell asleep/unconcious in the bath. Mad drug.

It is a crazy drug but to say thats what killed her isnt accurate.

Bruthal

mikom wrote: »

Man goes for a swim after drinking strong alcohol, drowns.
What killed him.
Stupidity, not the alcohol.

Did he go swimming in his bath? He sounds stupid alright.

chillywilly

chillywilly wrote: »

If she was on ket at the time then there is a big possibility that ket was th reason she fell asleep/unconcious in the bath. Mad drug.

Not in this case.. She said she was going to have a bath to relax. Sounds like this was after the drug had worn off and now the parents are looking for anything but their daughter to blame.

If I fell asleep in the bath with a scag on me, I'd be mortified if it was over the news..

krudler

"Nintendo killed my son!"

....except they didnt

chillywilly

pragmatic1 wrote: »

It is a crazy drug but to say thats what killed her isnt accurate.

I didn't actually say that's what killed her.

Mike 1972

El Weirdo wrote: »

Pfft. Maybe about 3 years ago.

Its amazing the level of clueless shyte Journalists come out with regarding drugs given that their profession is not exactly renowned for being squeaky clean when it comes to such things.

Duffy the Vampire Slayer

Best comment on the article: 'And the lesson kids, is not to take a bath while inebriated.'

chillywilly

Deleted User wrote: »

Not in this case.. She said she was going to have a bath to relax. Sounds like this was after the drug had worn off and now the parents are looking for anything but their daughter to blame.

If I fell asleep in the bath with a scag on me, I'd be mortified if it was over the news..

Well we clearly don't know all the facts. She could have been on it at the time which makes it more likely that ket would have made her unconscious causing her to drown. Or she could have just been "scagging" and got sleepy. Ket does make you very sleepy though. It's very nit picky though, ket probably had something to do with her death but the water was what caused her death. Lets be honest you are more likely to drown in the bath if you were on ket/had been on ket.

OutlawPete

krudler wrote: »

"Nintendo killed my son!"

....except they didnt

Well, they did it was an accident as they didn't nintendon killing him.

Saruman

Would the normal reaction to falling asleep in a bath be to wake up when water starts going down in to your lungs? Having never done it I don't know.

I imagine then that Ketamine played a part in keeping her asleep but in the end it was stupidity that killed her.

Eric Cartman

stupid b*tch , her parents are just trying to blame anyone except their daughter, still though , drugs - keeping natural selection alive since the dawn of time.

chillywilly

chillywilly wrote: »

Well we clearly don't know all the facts. She could have been on it at the time which makes it more likely that ket would have made her unconscious causing her to drown. Or she could have just been "scagging" and got sleepy. Ket does make you very sleepy though. It's very nit picky though, ket probably had something to do with her death but the water was what caused her death. Lets be honest you are more likely to drown in the bath if you were on ket/had been on ket.

So what? Ket didn't kill her.. If I work an 100 hour week and fall asleep in the bath out of exhaustion, should we blame work?

chillywilly

Ket didn't kill her, but if she didn't take ket would she be alive?

OutlawPete

Eric Cartman wrote: »

stupid b*tch ..

Just back from mass Eric? :pac:

Einhard

It was Professor Plum in the library with the candlestick.

Parsley

chillywilly wrote: »

Ket didn't kill her, but if she didn't take ket would she be alive?

that's what I'm thinking. the K-hole is a dangerous place to be.

Biggins

I'm not aware of all the facts that hold to be true so I'm abstaining in respect of a grieving family.

Dudess

Eric Cartman wrote: »

drugs - keeping natural selection alive since the dawn of time.

Cluelessness epitomised.

Parsley

Biggins wrote: »

I'm not aware of all the facts that hold to be true so I'm abstaining in respect of a grieving family.

we don't know how much she had or how long before her bath she'd taken it. Those would be two defining pieces of evidence here.

unreggd

Jaysis, everyones jumping to defend the drug, as expected

Like was mentioned above, I dont think anyone could fall into a natural sleep and drown

Your body would immediately shock and wake you up

Unless, you took drugs that had you unconcious

So IMO the blame is on the drug

Dudess

unreggd wrote: »

Jaysis, everyones jumping to defend the drug, as expected

Who is? I see warnings against it actually.
Blaming the person who took it rather than the drug itself is not = defending the drug.

It's still a horrible tragedy though and she doesn't deserve to be called a "stupid bitch".

Biggins

Parsley wrote: »

we don't know how much she had or how long before her bath she'd taken it. Those would be two defining pieces of evidence here.

Very true.
We can have opinions all right and thats ok.
Me? I honestly don't have a clue and in such hurting sensitive cases, I usually take the option to keep my own thoughts to myself (a) because I might end up looking like an idiot for being wrong eventually (wouldn't be the first time) and (b) just in case my useless ramblings on such matters, might cause some hurt to those already in grief/pain.

...But thats just me.

galwayrush

What killed her will be whoever can be potentially sued for the most money.

gosuckonalemon

Ketamine is a great drug for coming down off a load of pills...can't beat sinking into a K hole after a hard session...

That's all I have to say on the matter...

Einhard

Biggins wrote: »

Very true.
We can have opinions all right and thats ok.
Me? I honestly don't have a clue and in such hurting sensitive cases, I usually take the option to keep my own thoughts to myself (a) because I might end up looking like an idiot for being wrong eventually (wouldn't be the first time)

Me, I don't have that problem. Cos I'm always right.


Even when I'm wrong.

Biggins

Einhard wrote: »

Me, I don't have that problem. Cos I'm always right.
Even when I'm wrong.

Are you sure your not my first wife?

Einhard

Biggins wrote: »

Are you sure your not my first wife?

If I am, it was all your fault!:p

Biggins

Einhard wrote: »

If I am, it was all your fault!:p

:pac:

I should have seen that coming!

DaveDaRave

gosuckonalemon wrote: »

Ketamine is a great drug for coming down off a load of pills...can't beat sinking into a K hole after a hard session...

That's all I have to say on the matter...

Does it really help ?
I heard that but was kinda skeptical, like weed on a comedown just makes me extremely paranoid to the point of mental patient.

Local-womanizer

Just take a shower for feck sake!!!!

El Weirdo

chillywilly wrote: »

Ket didn't kill her, but if she didn't take ket would she be alive?

If she didn't get into the bath would she still be alive?

DaveDaRave

If a women drowns in the bath does she make a sound ?

mikom

DaveDaRave wrote: »

If a women drowns in the bath does she make a sound ?

Yeah, she roars out "Woman is singular, women is plural".

df1985

how much ket was involved i wonder?

ketamine-just say "NEIGHHHHHH"

johnmcdnl

Am I the only person reading this thread who never even heard of ketamine before this thread

RichieC

Dirty oul sh*te that.. but looks like dihydrogen monoxide killed her.

kowloon

Mike 1972 wrote: »

Its amazing the level of clueless shyte Journalists come out with regarding drugs given that their profession is not exactly renowned for being squeaky clean when it comes to such things.

They haven't needed to buy any since that huge mound of coke was left on their doorstep.

df1985

kowloon wrote: »

They haven't needed to buy any since that huge mound of coke was left on their doorstep.

can afford to back on the gear with a bang now that their mortgage got written off!

DaveDaRave

Ketamine is actually used on humans as an anasthetic, i don't know why people think its so bad. Just because people heard it as being called "Horse Tranquilizer" they think its for knocking out horses only. You don't think people are actually taking egg yokes at the weekend, do you ?

Pace2008

DaveDaRave wrote: »

Ketamine is actually used on humans as an anasthetic, i don't know why people think its so bad. Just because people heard it as being called "Horse Tranquilizer" they think its for knocking out horses only.

In fairness, it's pretty damn harsh on the bladder.

I agree that consistently referring to the drug as a horse tranquiliser is blatant scare tactics on the media's part, though.

chillywilly

El Weirdo wrote: »

If she didn't get into the bath would she still be alive?

I don't have a clue! No one can be sure, maybe if she done it she may have just fallen into unconsciousness on the couch and then woken up later that day, but since she fell in to unconsciousness in the bath she died! I'm not a Joe Duffy lovin' aul bag but I'm guessing (that's all I can do) that ket contributed to, but was not the cause of her death. To get technical, water was the cause of her death, ket contributed. In my opinion.