Collins Vs Dev. The final battle.

Terry

Which outcome would you have preferred?

Seeing as how Collins was killed, this is entirely hypothetical.
However, I've put localised options in the (upcoming. Be patient, bitches) poll for kicks.

chillywilly

From Dublin and support Dev

poll?

chillywilly

From Dublin and support Dev

me no like patience.

kowloon

I don't care

Collins had a fierce uppercut but nothing to stand up to Devs prancing lizard technique.

Would love to see some alternative history with Collins as the boss.

chalkitdown

There doesn't seem to be enough options available in the poll.

Terry

I don't care

chalkitdown wrote: »

There doesn't seem to be enough options available in the poll.

Sorry about that.
Mods, could one of you please add "Support McCarthy Dundon" to the poll?

chalkitdown

Terry wrote: »

Sorry about that.
Mods, could one of you please add "Support McCarthy Dundon" to the poll?

LOL, you plick.

Pride Fighter

James Connolly.

epgc3fyqirnbsx

I don't care

Collins would win, I know at least 5 people alive today named Michael Collins. How many Eamon De Valeras do you know?
Simple mathematics, Collins would be victorious

Offy

From Dublin and support Collins

Dev wasnt executed in 1916 because he had an American passport? Is that right? So the Americans created unrest and then planted their own man in charge of the country, had Collins off'ed and look at us now oh this is AH not CT opps-a-daisy!

orourkeda

Mary Harney would take both of them

Duffy the Vampire Slayer

Dev= Dublin isn't all that strong of a connection. But if ye want to claim him feel free :pac:

starbelgrade

Who is Dev?

I'm surprised that MTV hasn't done a Celebrity Death Match on this yet.

Yakult

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDwizk81oJQ

orourkeda

starbelgrade wrote: »

I'm surprised that MTV hasn't done a Celebrity Death Match on this yet.

I'm not

LETHAL LADY

From Cork and support Dev

I would naturally choose the Irishman.

OutlawPete

An out of shape fighter, who relies on hypnotism to go the distance Vs an internet entrepreneur.
Sounds like a battle not to be missed, I want ringside seats dammit.

OPENROAD

Will this be pay per view of free to air?

Sanjuro

From Dublin and support Dev

I demand a video similar to this-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msFljrJ7M4A

Worztron

From Cork and support Dev

de Valera sent Collins (who he knew was not as good a negotiator) knowing full well that Collins could not have gotten a better deal. That way Collins bore the brunt of the backlash. I do think that Collins saw the treaty as a stepping stone and not as a final step. We only got a free state but did get a Republic in 1949 (62 years today). A 32 county Republic may be impossible now due to Fianna FAIL economic suicide (how ironic for the anti treaty party).

Mike 1972

Wheres the none of the above option ?

Offy wrote: »

Dev wasnt executed in 1916 because he had an American passport? Is that right?

Legally he couldnt have been executed for treason as he wasnt a British subject.

Worztron

From Cork and support Dev

Mike 1972 wrote: »

Legally he couldnt have been executed for treason as he wasnt a British subject.

Correct.

PeterIanStaker

I don't care

I ticked the "I'm an adult and realise that the civil war is over" box, but I still think Dev was a slimy bastard who would have hung his own granny out to dry.

Scrambled egg

From Dublin and support Dev

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFsTrvJGiDc

Krusader

Collins could've always told Lloyd George to piss on his treaty, it was an option.

If Collins wasn't killed would future generations have had such distain for Dev. I don't think so

K-9

I don't care

Crosáidí wrote: »

Collins could've always told Lloyd George to piss on his treaty, it was an option.

If Collins wasn't killed would future generations have had such distain for Dev. I don't think so

Collins has that James Dean type of mystique. Would he have been that different from Cosgrave? who was extremely conservative and a CnaG and FG figures that tended to be more conservative than DeV, I have my doubts.

Lapin

What time are the usual shower of shinners and misguided republicans due to turn up and hijack this thread with their usual guff about 800 years of woe and angst?

Should I reach for the popcorn now or come back later?

TFK

From Dublin and support Dev

I got a B in my LC because of Collins (well not the actual him obviously) I remember feck all now but still, I'm proud of my result :P

OutlawPete

Lapin wrote: »

.. woe and angst?

Touch of woe and angst yourself there sir.

Dwellingdweller

From Dublin and support Collins

"I'm an adult and realise the civil war is over"-wha? I think everyone realises the civil war is over*. also, COLLINS COLLINS COLLINS!

*I have a malfunctioning sarcasm detector...

Capt'n Midnight

From Dublin and support Dev

Pity those who ignored the will of the majority are still stirring it up.

The resources wasted during the civil war would have made a difference to winning the north back, whether by military means or hearts and minds or economic means is a matter of conjecture.

As for Dev how can you respect someone who more or less started the civil war (he could probably have prevented it at the least) over an issue that he later just ignored.

Lapin

OutlawPete wrote: »

Touch of woe and angst yourself there sir.

And misery.

Lets not forget the oul misery.

Agent Smith

From Dublin and support Collins

General Collins by a country mile

hatrickpatrick

If either Collins OR Dev had known how their glorious Irish Republic would end up, and their respective political movements, I doubt either of them would have bothered

Regardless of side, I imagine everyone who fought in our civil war is now turning in their graves at the sheer incompetence of the people who now call themselves their "counterparts".

K-9

I don't care

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Pity those who ignored the will of the majority are still stirring it up.

The resources wasted during the civil war would have made a difference to winning the north back, whether by military means or hearts and minds or economic means is a matter of conjecture.

As for Dev how can you respect someone who more or less started the civil war (he could probably have prevented it at the least) over an issue that he later just ignored.

You think they'd have beaten the Brits in the North? Ulster was relatively quiet during the War of Independence and the Brits would have backed it.

ejmaztec

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

If either Collins OR Dev had known how their glorious Irish Republic would end up, and their respective political movements, I doubt either of them would have bothered

Regardless of side, I imagine everyone who fought in our civil war is now turning in their graves at the sheer incompetence of the people who now call themselves their "counterparts".

If Collins knew how things were going to turn out, he would have shot Dev.

mikemac

The following count as one vote

These things go in cycles. Dev may be portrayed badly and as some Machiavellian schemer and Collins as some no nonsense take charge man but go back a generation and it was different.

Go forward a generation and it'll be different again and we'll blast Collins and praise De Valera.

silverspoon

From Dublin and support Collins

Why doesn't the poll just ask 'Collins' or 'Dev'? Like looking at the feckin' census forms...