passat

cullenswood

My Dad got offered a deal by a main dealer to upgrade his 10 Jetta to a new Passat when if brought it in for a service.

I was just wondering if there is a new model Passat being released soon or why is the dealer so interested in getting his to upgrade?

Leonard Hofstadter

The current model B7 Passat (which is actually the exact same car as the B6 that went on sale in 2005 bar a few cosmetic changes inside and out) only went on sale at the start of this year, I can only presume the dealer is mad keen to sell a B7 because they're not exactly flying out of the showrooms or because there is a monthly target to be hit and they are nowhere near it:).

dobsdave

captainspeed wrote: »

The current model B7 Passat (which is actually the exact same car as the B6 that went on sale in 2005 bar a few cosmetic changes inside and out) only went on sale at the start of this year, I can only presume the dealer is mad keen to sell a B7 because they're not exactly flying out of the showrooms or because there is a monthly target to be hit and they are nowhere near it:).

I've seen 2 so far, both on the same day.

bazz26

As already said it's basically the same car that has been on sale for the last 6 years, just with a new front and rear body panels.

darragh o meara

cullenswood wrote: »

My Dad got offered a deal by a main dealer to upgrade his 10 Jetta to a new Passat when if brought it in for a service.

I was just wondering if there is a new model Passat being released soon or why is the dealer so interested in getting his to upgrade?

That's a sales tactic they try use to shift more stock. Worked a lot better when there was loads of money around though.

MidlandsM

bazz26 wrote: »

As already said it's basically the same car that has been on sale for the last 6 years, just with a new front and rear body panels.

+1.......and a similar interior too from what I experienced. Don't see the point personally with the layout involved.

cullenswood

will there be a new look model coming out in the next year though? He doesn't want to buy the last of am old model if a different looking version is coming out in a few months

Tea 1000

cullenswood wrote: »

will there be a new look model coming out in the next year though? He doesn't want to buy the last of am old model if a different looking version is coming out in a few months

That is the new model. It's just out, it'll be there for another 4 years before they give it a minor face lift, then there'll be the next model 2 years subsequently.
And despite what's been said here, it has many improvements and upgrades over the previous model. Many of these improvements were over-due, but they're here now. It's a decent car to be fair, but no one on this site will admit that.

cullenswood

Tea 1000 wrote: »

That is the new model. It's just out, it'll be there for another 4 years before they give it a minor face lift, then there'll be the next model 2 years subsequently.
And despite what's been said here, it has many improvements and upgrades over the previous model. Many of these improvements were over-due, but they're here now. It's a decent car to be fair, but no one on this site will admit that.

nice one, thanks for that.

I too think they are a decent car!

JoeA3

Just beware that it's not the older model he's trying to flog him. I wouldn't be surprised if there's still a few of them lying around.

cullenswood

JoeA3 wrote: »

Just beware that it's not the older model he's trying to flog him. I wouldn't be surprised if there's still a few of them lying around.

yeah was thinking that!

he's been offered a price of 11k for a Highline model with his 10 Jetta automatic

bazz26

Seems mad to me to be even thinking about changing from a car that is only a year old. Especially when you have to put €11k with it.

BTW there is a new Jetta launched now too, should be cheaper than the Passat and looks almost identical.

alanclarke1975

Re: New Passat

In my opinion its a bit of a step backwards.

Analogue clock on the plastic(wood effect ) dash is a bit Rover from the 90's?

The spec has been downgraded as far as i know across the range.

Led lights are gone from the rear.

and all the Chrome - looks like a Halford Chrome Kit special....

BTW - VW dont have monthly targets, well they didnt when i sold em back in 2008.

Leonard Hofstadter

That is true, but as far as I know, if you order a diesel Jetta, it is only about two grand cheaper than the equivlant engine and spec Passat - so the new Jetta suffers from the same problem the old one did - it is too close in price to the Passat (to be fair, the new car looks quite different to a Gold on the outside and is bigger than a Golf inside, but it is still largely a Golf with a boot).

The Skoda Superb does everything a Passat does but is bigger, has much better spec, has a more upmarket feeling interior (yes, seriously) and is more reliable than a VW despite using many of the same parts. Only downside is that it is as ugly as sin and may not hold its value quite as well as a VW, but it costs far less than the equivalent VW when new too so you're not out of pocket overall.

If your Dad likes VAG products and is desperate for a change (though I can't imagine why he would change so soon when he already has a 10 reg car), then that's what he should get (don't mind the badge - they all use the same running gear underneath):)!

alanclarke1975

Agree 100% about the Skoda comments.

The motorshow in the RDS - nobody was looking at the passat estate on show.

All looking at the Superb Estate - more spec, more power, more everything and less price.

Crackity Jones

alanclarke1975 wrote: »

Re: New Passat

In my opinion its a bit of a step backwards.

Analogue clock on the plastic(wood effect ) dash is a bit Rover from the 90's?

The spec has been downgraded as far as i know across the range.

Led lights are gone from the rear.

and all the Chrome - looks like a Halford Chrome Kit special....

BTW - VW dont have monthly targets, well they didnt when i sold em back in 2008.

The chrome is truly tragic. The chrome on the previous version's highline looked good but this version's chrome is too close together or something. looks like the bad after market chrome fits you'd see on pimped up B5 passats.

BTW I think your dad would be nuts to trade in a 10 Jetta unless he has money to burn. Its a shocking waste of cash.

Delancey

Tea 1000 wrote: »

And despite what's been said here, it has many improvements and upgrades over the previous model. Many of these improvements were over-due, but they're here now. It's a decent car to be fair, but no one on this site will admit that.

Have to agree with this , I don't know much about cars but anyone I know with a Passat speaks highly of them but everyone on this forum seems to have it in for them , dunno why

-Corkie-

alanclarke1975 wrote: »

Re: New Passat

In my opinion its a bit of a step backwards.

Analogue clock on the plastic(wood effect ) dash is a bit Rover from the 90's?

The spec has been downgraded as far as i know across the range.

Led lights are gone from the rear.

and all the Chrome - looks like a Halford Chrome Kit special....

BTW - VW dont have monthly targets, well they didnt when i sold em back in 2008.

I have to agree with you. What were they thinking with the analouge clock in all fairness. Spec downgraded aswell.

PARKHEAD67

Why does everyone on motors badmouth VW(and anything TDI).I have a TDI golf and its a fantastic car. Going on about badges.If the Passat had a BMW grille in front it'd be a bloody astounding car.Ya right.VW are ahead of a lot of the shoite spec beemers on the road.Badge is everything with most of em.The new passat looks class BTW.

Delancey

Yeah everyone here seems to love BMW but hate VW / Volvo , my Dad had a Volvo that seemed to last forever and never gave trouble , brother-in-law had non-stop engine issues with his Beemer :rolleyes:

mickdw

Tea 1000 wrote: »

That is the new model. It's just out, it'll be there for another 4 years before they give it a minor face lift, then there'll be the next model 2 years subsequently.
And despite what's been said here, it has many improvements and upgrades over the previous model. Many of these improvements were over-due, but they're here now. It's a decent car to be fair, but no one on this site will admit that.

This is just a facelift so there will be an all new model in 2 to 3 years id say so the above is pretty much wrong.

PARKHEAD67

Delancey wrote: »

Yeah everyone here seems to love BMW but hate VW / Volvo , my Dad had a Volvo that seemed to last forever and never gave trouble , brother-in-law had non-stop engine issues with his Beemer :rolleyes:

My brother had a beemer and he cries now when he thinks of the trouble it gave him. Parts arent cheap. They really are so overrated.

Tea 1000

mickdw wrote: »

This is just a facelift so there will be an all new model in 2 to 3 years id say so the above is pretty much wrong.

Nope, you're wrong. You can give VW headquarters a call if you'd like. It's the B7 Passat. Not a facelift. Although in styling stakes it's up there with the mildest of new models to be fair.
I also wouldn't pass much heed of one person having lots of engine trouble with a BMW. They're generally a reliable brand.
@Parkhead - the reason most people including myself take the p!ss out of TDI's are because the owners would try and convince you that they're the best engine of all time... ever! That's not the case.

mickdw

I dont care what its called or what vw marketing people say, Its a mild facelift and vw wont get long out of it til new model released.

You are saying this model will be around (with additional facelift) until 2017 to 2019?

r3nu4l

I assume the Passat on offer is a TDI? Will your Dad be offered an equivalent engine? What size engine are we talking? He shouldn't consider anything other than the 2.0TDI if it's a diesel he's considering. The car is too big to comfortably carry it's weight in anything smaller while still allowing some 'grunt' for overtaking imo.

Also I'd second the Skoda Superb. I was at a business meeting in Toulouse at the end of last year and we ended up in a Skoda Superb taxi on the way back to the airport. I was impressed by the interior and the ride!

Neither car is ever going to be truly exciting, nor do they offer the RWD fun of the BMW but the Superb wins over the Passat for me...unless he wants to sell it off in under two years or so. In that case I imagine (can't be sure) that the Passat will hold its value better.

Tea 1000

mickdw wrote: »

I dont care what its called or what vw marketing people say, Its a mild facelift and vw wont get long out of it til new model released.

You are saying this model will be around (with additional facelift) until 2017 to 2019?

I don't care what the marketing people say either. It's what the engineers did that counts. This will be around until 2016 at the earliest.
There are many differences between this and the B6. Visually the differences are the least obvious.

mickdw

We will have to agree to disagree

Tea 1000

mickdw wrote: »

We will have to agree to disagree

I would if it were down to opinions, but it's actually called the B7 Passat. VW themselves call this an all new model. In reality it is just a heavily revised B6, and I think it should be a B6.5 model as I agree with your thoughts on it just being a facelift, but VW think it's worthy of new model status.
But to be fair, it is more heavily revised than it appears to be.

PARKHEAD67

Tea 1000 wrote: »

I would if it were down to opinions, but it's actually called the B7 Passat. VW themselves call this an all new model. In reality it is just a heavily revised B6, and I think it should be a B6.5 model as I agree with your thoughts on it just being a facelift, but VW think it's worthy of new model status.
But to be fair, it is more heavily revised than it appears to be.

It looks very nice IMO.I never said TDIs were best engines ever.They aint half bad though;).Beemers are just put on this undeserved pedestal in this country though.Most of the Beemers on the road today are driven because of that BMW badge IMO.A status symbol.I guarantee you my golf would kill my brothers old(04) BMW for speed and definately for reliability.

Tea 1000

PARKHEAD67 wrote: »

I never said TDIs were best engines ever.

Exhibit A : a sensible statement from a TDI owner.

PARKHEAD67 wrote: »

They aint half bad though;). I guarantee you my golf would kill my brothers old(04) BMW for speed and definately for reliability.

Exhibit B: A typical statement from a TDI driver!

The 1.9 TDI engine isn't great. The 150bhp version was reasonably quick in it's day, but it was too peaky in its delivery. There are quicker cars.
A 320d would hand a 1.9 Golf its arse in a race to be fair.

pburns

Tea 1000 wrote: »

I would if it were down to opinions, but it's actually called the B7 Passat. VW themselves call this an all new model. In reality it is just a heavily revised B6, and I think it should be a B6.5 model as I agree with your thoughts on it just being a facelift, but VW think it's worthy of new model status.
But to be fair, it is more heavily revised than it appears to be.

It's more than an average facelift but certainly not a new model. Never mind VW calling it a B7. Don't be slavishly listening to such spin:o. I don't have a major problem with it, I can see advantages to both VW and their customers but B6.5 would be more accurate and honest.

As for the OP...taking the hit for the first (worst) year of depreciation will only benefit the salesman and the next buyer who gets your Jetta. But hey, I've gotten some great value in nearly-new cars in the past so need people like your old man:).

PARKHEAD67

Tea 1000 wrote: »

Exhibit A : a sensible statement from a TDI owner.


Exhibit B: A typical statement from a TDI driver!

The 1.9 TDI engine isn't great. The 150bhp version was reasonably quick in it's day, but it was too peaky in its delivery. There are quicker cars.
A 320d would hand a 1.9 Golf its arse in a race to be fair.

Maybe,but my brothers wouldnt have.was a 318 I think.It wasnt as fast as it looked.:).When I let him have a spin in the Golf he said"Jesus this thing can go".:D

bazz26

The Americans got an all new Passat, Europe got a reskined B6 and called the B7. The B7 has the same platform, same engines, same gearbox and same dashboard as the B6 before it. I can however see VW milking it and keeping the B7 around for around 4 years though. They did the same with the B5/5.5.

mickdw

bazz26 wrote: »

Europe got a reskined B6 and called the B7. The B7 has the same platform, same engines, same gearbox and same dashboard as the B6 before it. I can however see VW milking it and keeping the B7 around for around 4 years though. They did the same with the B5/5.5.

Its beyond me how anyone can see this as a new car. Id say an all new car for 2014. The B5/5.5 went from 97 to 05 - 8 years

B6/B7 2005 to 2013/2014 Id say.

And Tea 1000, to me a new car is one where no body panels/ or glass etc is shared. Anything else is a facelift. Are you seriously suggesting that this is an all new car? Dont even get me started on the interior.

R.O.R

captainspeed wrote: »

The current model B7 Passat (which is actually the exact same car as the B6 that went on sale in 2005 bar a few cosmetic changes inside and out) only went on sale at the start of this year, I can only presume the dealer is mad keen to sell a B7 because they're not exactly flying out of the showrooms or because there is a monthly target to be hit and they are nowhere near it:).

:rolleyes:

Glad you are here to share your expert opinion again. Must remember your words of wisdom next time I'm being told it's week 35 production for a fresh order, or we might just be able to find a similar car in stock, somewhere in the country, as long as the driver isn't too fussy on interior / exterior colour.

Ordered 17 Passat 1.6Tdi Trendline's last week, managed to get 3 from stock and there are no other spares around. All Comfortline's I've ordered this year are coming from the factory, same story with Highlines.

Unlikely the dealer in the OP is that desperate to get rid of a Passat. More likely that they are trying to take a very saleable car back in to stock off someone, and get 1 unit closer to the end of year volume bonus target.

lomb

11k would get you more than half a new passat in the UK! And this is good value/ a deal? Madness.