conjugal visits in mountjoy

jakdelad

should they be allowed in our prisons as they are in many other prisons abroad
anyone here had any personal experiences they would like to share
or any informed views?

MagicMarker

No they shouldn't be allowed.

NoQuarter

I write this from my laptop in my cell, yes they should be allowed!!

source

No they should not, a prison sentence is the taking of a persons liberty as punishment for a crime they have committed.

What's the point of making a punishment, like taking a persons liberty, if they can do the almost the exact same things in prison as they can when out on the street?

A punishment is supposed to be unpleasant. If a person enjoys a punishment then it isn't really a punishment is it?

Jicked

foinse wrote: »

No they should not, a prison sentence is the taking of a persons liberty as punishment for a crime they have committed.

What's the point of making a punishment, like taking a persons liberty, if they can do the almost the exact same things in prison as they can when out on the street?

A punishment is supposed to be unpleasant. If a person enjoys a punishment then it isn't really a punishment is it?

A prison sentence is purely to be seen as punishment? Presumably to prevent them having any form of pleasure or enjoyment during their time inside we should also limit their access to a pool table, books and coco pops. That way they'll have time to think long and hard about what they did and return as upstanding members of the community. Oh wait, do people care about the final part? Sure they're all scummers anyway...

Do people really think that people will enjoy their time in Mountjoy if they're able to horse it up some girl once a month? Do people think people will commit more crime because sure they can still get their end away if they're caught? Alternatively you could help criminals keep some form of relationship while inside, preventing them being a complete outcast on their release/attempted rehabilitation.

There's a reason why its allowed in plenty of other countries. Then there's the reactionary Joe Duffy crowd who spout ill informed nonsense, but then will be the loudest to complain about the "scumbags" and recidivism, while preventing any thought out attempts to actually tackle the problem.

ITS LIKE A HOLIDAY CAMP IN THERE FOR THEM JOE!!11!

234

It would probably just become another means of smuggling drugs into Mountjoy. They can't search everywhere.

Jicked

234 wrote: »

It would probably just become another means of smuggling drugs into Mountjoy. They can't search everywhere.

True enough, it seems almost anything is a way of smuggling drugs in there. To try to limit it somewhat, hypothetically you could require x period of clean drug tests. Far from a perfect system that though.

234

To be honest it seems that the amount of time and effort that would go into ensuring that no security issues arose would be disproportionate to the goal, even if you thought that criminals getting off was a legitimate aim. Maybe there could be conjugal visits in low security prisons but in places like Mountjoy I just can't see it.

Reloc8

They should not only be allowed they should be enforced.

The joe duffy listenership gets to pick with whom.

Officer Giggles

terrible idea, shouldnt happen under any circumstances whatsoever

galwegians

ex mountjoy inmate, should def be allowed conjugal visits, taking away someones freedom is punishment enough,
a lot of the lads in mounjoy shouldent even be their, should be out doing work in the community to pnay for their wrongdoings, locking someone up in a ****ehole like mountjoy doesent help anyone.

only makes things worse all round, i agree their are serious criminals who need to be locked up, but the amount of lads up their for not paying their tv licence, or for a unpaid fine--why not deduct a few euro from their dole at source instead of locking them up and costing the taxpayer more money.

but not much about the system in this country does make sense.

Officer Giggles

there are very very few people in prison for unpaid fines, they get released almost instantly

mikemac

Going by the Joe Duffy show, well it's all I know, if you are jailed for fines you get released pretty quickly and some go to prison, get processed and then released same day.
No room for them.

Anyway, the likes of Fingal Co Council cutback on staff to clean beaches. Community service out on the beaches for fine dodgers for a few hours is a better idea, imo of course

MagicMarker

galwegians wrote: »

ex mountjoy inmate

I see.

galwegians wrote: »

should def be allowed conjugal visits

The hell you say!

source

galwegians wrote: »

ex mountjoy inmate, should def be allowed conjugal visits, taking away someones freedom is punishment enough,

You've made the opposing point to your post in this sentence. Prison is about taking away a person's freedom. That doesn't just mean the ability to walk around town.

Robbo

feelingstressed wrote: »

Anyway, the likes of Fingal Co Council cutback on staff to clean beaches. Community service out on the beaches for fine dodgers for a few hours is a better idea, imo of course

Disgraceful Joe, out there enjoying the sea air and not paying fines, taxpayer paying for their ice cream. Put em in a stock and fire jellyfish at them Joe.

Resend

NoQuarter wrote: »

I write this from my laptop in my cell, yes they should be allowed!!

i read it on my mobile in next door cell:D

Resend

galwegians wrote: »

ex mountjoy inmate, should def be allowed conjugal visits, taking away someones freedom is punishment enough,
a lot of the lads in mounjoy shouldent even be their, should be out doing work in the community to pnay for their wrongdoings, locking someone up in a ****ehole like mountjoy doesent help anyone.

only makes things worse all round, i agree their are serious criminals who need to be locked up, but the amount of lads up their for not paying their tv licence, or for a unpaid fine--why not deduct a few euro from their dole at source instead of locking them up and costing the taxpayer more money.

but not much about the system in this country does make sense.

then why do the crime if you can'tdo the time?

MagicSean

galwegians wrote: »

ex mountjoy inmate, should def be allowed conjugal visits, taking away someones freedom is punishment enough,
a lot of the lads in mounjoy shouldent even be their, should be out doing work in the community to pnay for their wrongdoings, locking someone up in a ****ehole like mountjoy doesent help anyone.

only makes things worse all round, i agree their are serious criminals who need to be locked up, but the amount of lads up their for not paying their tv licence, or for a unpaid fine--why not deduct a few euro from their dole at source instead of locking them up and costing the taxpayer more money.

but not much about the system in this country does make sense.

My heart bleeds. They all just need more hugs.

I've seen people get community service. Either they don't bother their arse or they get some useless task that benefits nobody in the community. We don't seem to have a proper system for this. Most likely down to the fact that the probation service is so overstretched.

There aren't many people in jail for failing to pay a fine. Unless you mean a fine they got instead of a jail term as part of a conviction. If so, why should they not be in jail. They had a chance to avoid it and chose not to.