Neptune beach leisure centre closed

HALLOW RUBY

Apparently it's closed down. Anyone else hear anything? Gutted if true

gipi

The only thing I saw in relation to it was a facebook comment from the gym that I'm in, offering 100 days membership to neptune members at a special rate....it seemed a strange thing to do until I read your post.

Neptunemember

Its gone, the company has decided to close its doors and run with the money. What really makes me mad is that they lease the neptune bar under another biz name. That biz is profitable so basicly they have done a runner with our hard earned cash.

Nice people, they didnt even so much as pick up a phone to say it was closing. I have done some checking on the cro website, the neptune was beingn run by a company called beach view fitness ltd, cro lists the directors addresses and names, they live locally. Search on the cro website for details. I ve lost a good few hundred thanks to them and i am sure there is more than me.

Might have to call joe duffy, this is irish greed at its best, shutdown 1 company thats making a loss while you have another company in profit that cant be touched for compensation.

Neptunemember

The neptune in bettystown closed yesterday morning, i would like this thread to be a support line to the members who after paying money have been locked out.

The biz name the neptune trades under is beachview fitness ltd and the directors details are available via the cro.ie website. I have checked and they all live local and get this they also run the neptune bar under another ltd company name, this biz is profitable while members suffer without money.

Please post here if you are a member to see what we can do has a collective.

Neptunemember

Please forgive the cross posting only the gym is better known as the neptune beach leisure centre

HALLOW RUBY

It's seems to be a really strange coincidence that they take direct debits out on the 12th of every month and then decided to close it on the 13th April! Maybe I'm being out of order but that's ripping off paying customers, that's what greed does!

Surely the staff members were aware of what was happening, and could have given us some sort of warning about it, I'm really disappointed about that too.

AnCatDubh

HALLOW RUBY wrote: »

Surely the staff members were aware of what was happening, and could have given us some sort of warning about it, I'm really disappointed about that too.

Mostly in these situations the staff will be the last to know - literally at closing time on the night when the receivers are taking over (arrive in, take keys, change locks, empty the till, etc.). I don't know this is the case at Neptune but typically on the basis of other high profile closures reported on the airways, this is what happens.

Sorry for everyone out of pocket and the staff who at this stage have no employment to go to. I hope things get better sooner than later.

Neptunemember

We noticed the other day when we went down the manager looked distracted and there were people we didn't recognise behind the counter with her.

HALLOW RUBY

gipi wrote: »

The only thing I saw in relation to it was a facebook comment from the gym that I'm in, offering 100 days membership to neptune members at a special rate....it seemed a strange thing to do until I read your post.

Can you let me know what gym this is, please?

Neptunemember

Its SouthGate fitness on the Dublin road

HALLOW RUBY wrote: »

Can you let me know what gym this is, please?

mannie mcloughlin

These people knew what they were doing ripping off innocent people .
all the members should get together and let the people of bettystown know the kind of people they are supporting when they drink in the neptune bar CON ARTISTS under another biz name. That biz is profitable so basicly they have done a runner with our hard earned cash.

Nice people, they didnt even so much as pick up a phone to say it was closing. I have done some checking on the cro website, the neptune was beingn run by a company called beach view fitness ltd, cro lists the directors addresses and names, they live locally. Search on the cro website for details. I ve lost a good few hundred thanks to them and i am sure there is more than me.

Might have to call joe duffy, this is irish greed at its best, shutdown 1 company thats making a loss while you have another company in profit that cant be touched for compensation.[/QUOTE]

Neptunemember

I am going to mention the names of the directors and their office because this information is freely open the public.

Seaview fitness ltd
The directors names are Daniel Hughes, David Malone, and Kieron Malone and the company office address is 24 castlemartin ave, bettystown

I hope they will come online to explain the vague notice that was left on the door which states "FORCED TO CLOSE" and they hope to get the doors open soon,, yeah right.. I won't hold my breathe.

davehart

I live around the corner from that address and there is no sign of life there at the moment. They seem to be in hiding. All members need to arrange to meet up in order to form a plan of action backed by everyone to try and get our money back. My fiance and me are out nearly €700 over this and i intend on getting it back.

Vego

Chances of you getting money back are about 0-1% I know people who paid big sums of money on other recreation type things and they were basically told not a hope

blue tit

Please support new owners when time comes,they will reward loyal members in due course. Beware off other gyms offering deals, part of the problem.

Neptunemember

I am sorry to hear that Dave, i feel your frustrations, I am out about the same euro. A closer look at the accounts show both 24 and 25 castlemartin ave are listed.

The public accounts list the addresses has

<SNIP> WE 'D PREFER TO KEEP PEOPLE'S ADDRESSES OFF THE SITE

Daniel Hughes
Dave Malone
Malone

Still trying to get answers. What will happen next is liquidators will be appointed to sell off company assets, however all of the equipment pool stuff and gym equipment belongs to the landlord and not the business, this is why we can never trust the next company to lease it out because they can start the biz with just a few quid and can walk away with no major debt. We have been royally screwed, the director of seaview fitness ltd rents the bar at the front of the Neptune.

hitman38

Hi

I have heard from a very reliable source that the people who ran the gym in bettystown are going to compensate all members who paid yearly memberships!

Neptunemember

hitman38 wrote: »

Hi

I have heard from a very reliable source that the people who ran the gym in bettystown are going to compensate all members who paid yearly memberships!

I'd hope so but I doubt it, all their actions and lack of actions point to not caring about the members who scraped together money to join. They would have notified members in advance. When you run a business you can tell months in advance if you have to close at some point. I would believe that if a notice on the door would give members more information and talk about a meeting venue for members

hitman38

From what I know of Liquidation processes, you have to be very carefull in what you say or do. I know members are at the bottom of the pile when it comes to a list of creditors so "USUALLY" members dont get paid! ALA Total Fitness.

However I do believe this wont be the case here. I would imagine the directors are moving to get the liquidation meeting out of the way, and as such cannot be seen to be prefering creditors in any way!

I "WOULD" imagine that members will be looked after as soon as such meeting is over.

I also just found out that they stopped taking memberships in late March.

Meathborn

You could not expect anything else to happen in view of the thugs you were dealing with folks.

hitman38

MeathBorn you are talking about guys who employ from 25-30 people, depending on the season? People who look after mortgages and families thanks to those jobs, guys who have unblemished records and are in very good standing with local gardai? Yes a business failed, businesses fail every day, are all business owners who are "FORCED" to close down to be deemed THUGS? I wonder could you say the same thing?

bottomdog

blue tit wrote: »

Please support new owners when time comes,they will reward loyal members in due course. Beware off other gyms offering deals, part of the problem.

Welcome to the boards Blue Tit, how do you know what the new owners are planning to to? Inside track have we ?

bottomdog

Seems some people here have an inside track, reading between the lines, and if those above really know, it appears that the gym may reopen, I checked CRO and the company is not in liquidation. The gym is a good local resource and was well managed by all accounts. Lets hope someone reopens it and looks after the existing members.

Neptunemember

I've heard other members say they paid for membership in march.. People would have known something was wrong if they weren't accepting members.. Businesses fail all the time however i have respect for business owners who notify customers

In my case I am not mad about the money I've lost which I paid for a couple membership, so a good few hundred euro but it's the fact that we, the members were deceived.. I heard some of the equipment has ended up at another gym already.. Why can't people just be responsible and say things didn't work out.

Neptune Fraudsters

Hi Everybody

Just to let everyone know that we have discussed with Joe about doing classes in another venue. He has organised to have a class in the New Dance Studio in Bettystown located besdie Mr Suds between 6:00 to 7:00 on a Monday evening.

The charge for this will be €7.00. He is investigating wether other times or venues are available to hold further classes.

EVERYONE IS WELCOME!!!PLEASE SPREAD THE WORD!!

LOCATION: DANCE STUDIO BETTYSTOWN

TIME: 6 TO 7

PRICE: €7

:):):):):):):):):):)

Neptune Fraudsters

This week the neptune gym closed its doors. The notice placed on the door of the facility was vague and not informative at all, the notice was almost like a "gone to lunch" sign. There were still memebers turning up at the gym all week who had no idea that the place was closed. These are obviously difficult times for business but that is no excuse to have no consideration for the memebers by not having any due consideration for the impact on peoples lives and pockets!!! This gym was a community of people and many members used this as a social outlet. So lives have been effected by this closure. The audacity of these so called "business men" (frudsters) to go into peoples bank accounts and take out direct debits on tuesday and then to close the gym on wednesday is an absolute disgrace and could be considered fraud. The people who paid with cash have basicly had the money taken from there pockets and this is robbery. These local "business men" seem to forget that theyve "**** on there own doorstep" by this action and also that they are known in the local area. Do they not think that this will effect there two local busineeses????..in fact we are planning a rally/PROTEST outside one of these businesses to air our views on the situation. These lads need to be shown that "WE WILL NOT GO QUIETLY"!!!We also have connections to the local press so BEWARE...given that we know where these business men live, the protest may be extended to there homes so there neighbours and friends can see what there behavour has caused and the lives they have devestated...:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

Neptunemember

Agreed... We need to get more attention on the situation maybe Joe Duffy or local press, we need more members to come online, the members are very fragmented because they don't know where to meet or talk. Maybe a notice on the paper or a story might mention this thread, or maybe we should set up a Facebook page

Rossin

ah i liked this gym, had to change cause it was too far to travel, but nice place, i wouldnt join a gym for more than 3 months at the moment cause there are 2 many of them in the drogheda area, id say it wont be the last surprise closure in the next few months

Posoiden

The gym closed after months of negotiations between the landlord and tenant. The Tenants tried very hard to keep the gym open during these negotiations. The landlord would not agree new terms and conditions in light of the economic downturn and instigated legal action on the tenant. Due to this, the tenant had no other option but to close down the gym and go into liquidation. This was the last thing the tenants, staff, members and anyone else wanted.

After the gym closed, the tenant attempted at the last minute, to reopen by agreeing to the landlord’s outrageous demands. This was flatly refused again, and hence the gym remains closed.

I also know that if you read previous threads on this subject you will realize that they (the Directors) will not leave members (who are also friends and neighbours) high and dry, and that they are working steadfastly in the background to do anything and everything possible to address the issue of members paying yearly memberships up front within the last 6 months. This will not be the end of this issue I have been assured. Each member who has paid up front for 6 to 12 months will be phoned very soon.

Lets see what happens in a couple of weeks

Neptunemember

Has you can imagine iam very skeptical.

If this is the case why don't the owners set up a Facebook page or use twitter to get the message out there, if I were them I'd be making announcements all over the place, my hubby ran a gym years ago which had a similar situation with a landlord and the 1st thing they did was talk to the papers to make sure everyone was informed of their side of the story. All we know is what a vague notice told us "gym forced to close"

The Davestator

Posoiden wrote: »

The gym closed after months of negotiations between the landlord and tenant. The Tenants tried very hard to keep the gym open during these negotiations. The landlord would not agree new terms and conditions in light of the economic downturn and instigated legal action on the tenant. Due to this, the tenant had no other option but to close down the gym and go into liquidation. This was the last thing the tenants, staff, members and anyone else wanted.

After the gym closed, the tenant attempted at the last minute, to reopen by agreeing to the landlord’s outrageous demands. This was flatly refused again, and hence the gym remains closed.

I also know that if you read previous threads on this subject you will realize that they (the Directors) will not leave members (who are also friends and neighbours) high and dry, and that they are working steadfastly in the background to do anything and everything possible to address the issue of members paying yearly memberships up front within the last 6 months. This will not be the end of this issue I have been assured. Each member who has paid up front for 6 to 12 months will be phoned very soon.

Lets see what happens in a couple of weeks

If what you say is true, why take that final direct debit - thats the worst bit of it all in my opinion. If it goes into liquidation, members will get nothing.
owners always say they will reimburse members when gyms close until the anger dies down. Members never get money back as they are unsecured creditors.

oceanfish2008

I've been a member of the Neptune since it opened. It has deteriorated over the years. I only realised how badly until I visited other gyms over the last number of days.

Aside from how the group running it at the moment have behaved, the landlords could have at least shown members the courtesy of contacting them to explain matters.

I am now joining the Boyne Valley gym. It appears professionally run (eg the showers and jacuzzi work) and I will be encouraging as many members as I know to join. The Boyne Valley may or may not stay open in the medium to long term but at least its open NOW. (I'll be paying monthly too), paying up front for the year to any gym is crazy in this climate.

blue tit

The Davestator wrote: »

If what you say is true, why take that final direct debit - thats the worst bit of it all in my opinion. If it goes into liquidation, members will get nothing.
owners always say they will reimburse members when gyms close until the anger dies down. Members never get money back as they are unsecured creditors.

Excuses.....................Get liquidating so the new owners can give the members back what was the finest gym on the east coast.

oceanfish2008

blue tit wrote: »

Excuses.....................Get liquidating so the new owners can give the members back what was the finest gym on the east coast.

Unfortunately the keyword in the above statement is 'Was'

oceanfish2008

blue tit wrote: »

Please support new owners when time comes,they will reward loyal members in due course. Beware off other gyms offering deals, part of the problem.

What makes you think new owners will run it better? If the business is not sustainable now what makes you think it will be with new owners? Where will they get new members from? There is a recession on in case you haven't noticed

Why should I be loyal? What loyalty did the landlords show when they leased the centre out to people who couldn't run it properly?

boyne98

if you look on www.businessbarometer.ie , click in insolvency notices on the right hand side, then to appoint a liquidator it brings up beachview fitness ltd. it says there is a creditors meeting on 26/4/11. all members are creditors and should be invited to this meeting. if, as this comment states the directors intend to look after the members, maybe they can bring their cheque book!!! this is the tuesday after easter monday - maybe they are hopeing no one will turn up!!! i agree with blue tit - if well meaning why did the directors take a direct debit just before closing - this had nothing to do with landlord or rent.

hitman38

just a quick one, if they bring their checkbook, the members will be the last people to get paid??????? Members are at the bottom of the pile???????? what ever money is left in the company will go to every other creditor before the members are even considered.....


Jeeze do I have to spell it out........

Neptunemember

The company has no assets to liquidate, they sold the equipment that they owned after closing, obviously for cash. Right into their pockets.

boyne98

if you go to www.businessbarometer.ie and click on insolvency notice, then appoint liquidator - beachview fitness ltd is listed. it says there is a meeting of creditors on 26/4/2011. members are creditors and should be invited to this meeting. if as stated here that the members will be looked after maybe the directors will be there with their cheque book?? the worse thing is these directors took a direct debit before closing the doors!!! says it all............

legend25

Hi Guys I can reassure you that the Neptune Leisure Club is re-opening and that the New Owners are fully committed to looking after and protecting existing members and new members.This I heard will be happening very shortly and I for sure as an existing Neptune member intend hanging around to ensure that I get my moneys worth after paying up front so I suggest to any members to hold on for the moment and see what these new guys are planning to do.Maybe its a good thing because as far as I understand when a business shuts it stays shut but if there is an opportunity of it re-opening(which I heard from a very good source that it is) there is a very strong chance that we will be protected in some shape or form. Cheers Legend 25

davehart wrote: »

I live around the corner from that address and there is no sign of life there at the moment. They seem to be in hiding. All members need to arrange to meet up in order to form a plan of action backed by everyone to try and get our money back. My fiance and me are out nearly €700 over this and i intend on getting it back.

legend25

As far as I am concerned......THAT IS BULL.You dont take clients direct debit and then leg it.....Come On!!

The Davestator wrote: »

If what you say is true, why take that final direct debit - thats the worst bit of it all in my opinion. If it goes into liquidation, members will get nothing.
owners always say they will reimburse members when gyms close until the anger dies down. Members never get money back as they are unsecured creditors.

oceanfish2008

legend25 wrote: »

Hi Guys I can reassure you that the Neptune Leisure Club is re-opening and that the New Owners are fully committed to looking after and protecting existing members and new members.This I heard will be happening very shortly and I for sure as an existing Neptune member intend hanging around to ensure that I get my moneys worth after paying up front so I suggest to any members to hold on for the moment and see what these new guys are planning to do.Maybe its a good thing because as far as I understand when a business shuts it stays shut but if there is an opportunity of it re-opening(which I heard from a very good source that it is) there is a very strong chance that we will be protected in some shape or form. Cheers Legend 25

I reiterate what I said in a previous post:

If the old owners couldnt run it what evidence is their to suggest that new owners will be capable of running it at a profit.

People are already joining other gyms, which makes the situation even worse. You can't get members from thin air. Considering the state the place is in any prospective owner would be out of their minds to contemplete getting on board.

Instead of faceless people coming onto boards making vague claims about new owners, loyalty, looking after existing members etc I would suggest that the landlords show some common courtesy and contact members to reassure them.

Considering the landlords wanted to put in a multi-storey block of flats on the site during the 'Boom' they don't exactly have a great track record either

boyne98

i don't know much about what anyone wanted to build during the boom years or landlords. but the tenants beachview fitness ltd took a direct a direct debit from everyones account and then shut their doors. this takes the biscuit - in fact the whole packet. maybe the three directors david malone, kieran malone and daniel hughes as listed on the companies register would be good enough to contact all members and explain this!!!!

boyne98

there is a site called www.vision-net.ie where it states under meeting of creditors to appoint liquidator, that on 15/4/2011 notices were published in the national newspapers by the companies below - beachview fitness ltd. did anyone see these notices and in what newspapers??

bottomdog

Lots of smoke and mirrors going on here. Lots of unanswered questions. I'd be interested to know what exactly does 'looking after and protecting new and existing members' mean ? Does that mean existing memberships will be honoured in full ? In previous gyms this happened to the most angry and vocal members, the daily bobybuilders etc. The manner in which it shut so abruptly will make people very cautious, so the new owners will find it hard to get annual fees in advance, Ans what about missing equipment, does that mean the last owners have no intention of reopening ? So who are the new owners ? When will they step from the smoke and reveal themselves ? What memberships will be honoured ? Or will it be a discount for current members to 'rejoin"? One way or the other let's hope it gets back on track quickly and all the members are properly looked after.

HALLOW RUBY

legend25 wrote: »

Hi Guys I can reassure you that the Neptune Leisure Club is re-opening and that the New Owners are fully committed to looking after and protecting existing members and new members.This I heard will be happening very shortly and I for sure as an existing Neptune member intend hanging around to ensure that I get my moneys worth after paying up front so I suggest to any members to hold on for the moment and see what these new guys are planning to do.Maybe its a good thing because as far as I understand when a business shuts it stays shut but if there is an opportunity of it re-opening(which I heard from a very good source that it is) there is a very strong chance that we will be protected in some shape or form. Cheers Legend 25

Legend25 can you give us an approximate date for the reopening of the gym? If not, then don't be putting up posts, raising peoples hopes.

That gym was a brilliant social outlet for it's regular members and a location second to none in my eyes, people are going to be really cautious about starting all over again in case the same thing happens again.

Me personally, if I knew it was going to reopen soon I would wait around six months to see how it's going before commiting to anything and in the meantime I'll be travelling a few extra miles to join a well established gym close to town with more impressive facilities that I never really knew about til last week!

And one more thing, if you're in the know about the gym reopening, why don't you arrange a public meeting to inform us of what has gone on and what the future holds for the gym!!!!!!!!!

Bettystown runner

we need to arange a meeting maybe in the square on saturday evening just at the bus stop so these people know we mean buisness. we could inform the regs to the bar the sort of people they are supporting. does anybody agree? I know a member has been on to michael reade show on LMFM and they are looking for people to tell their story if you are available tomorrow morning between 9 and 11 to go on air please email show via the LMFM website and leave contact details

high on life

A creditors meeting is being held in City North Hotel on Tues April 26th.
Anyone who is owed money (or should I say robbed of their hard earned cash) from the Neptune Beach Leisure Club should attend this meeting.
I am not sure of the time as yet but I will keep you up-dated.

high on life

Neptune Fraudsters wrote: »

Hi Everybody

Just to let everyone know that we have discussed with Joe about doing classes in another venue. He has organised to have a class in the New Dance Studio in Bettystown located besdie Mr Suds between 6:00 to 7:00 on a Monday evening.

The charge for this will be €7.00. He is investigating wether other times or venues are available to hold further classes.

EVERYONE IS WELCOME!!!PLEASE SPREAD THE WORD!!

LOCATION: DANCE STUDIO BETTYSTOWN

TIME: 6 TO 7

PRICE: €7

:):):):):):):):):):)

When I read the above "we have discussed with Joe" who are "we"????
Are "we" the same cowboys who were the tenants of the Neptune Gym,? and if so why are members being charded to do classes when they have already paid membership?
Please clarify this for me!!

high on life

I am still so angry every time I log on and read all the rubbish about blaming the landlord for the closure of the gym. What a load of rubbish!
The landlord leased the premises to those three so called "businessmen", the management and staff in my opinion did a really good job in running the gym but the three boys failed to run it as a business.
Dont point the blame at anyone for the closure of the Gym other than Ciaran Malone, Dave Malon and Daniel Hughes.
If you were to believe the thread by Posoiden then I ask the following questions,
1. Why were members and staff not notified about the closure in advance.
2. Why have we not been contactd since the closure.
3. Why were the direct debits done days befor the closure.
4. Why were only staff and members seen on the day of the closure, there was no sigh of the three boys and no sign of them since.

I could go on forever!!!

high on life

The Davestator wrote: »

If what you say is true, why take that final direct debit - thats the worst bit of it all in my opinion. If it goes into liquidation, members will get nothing.
owners always say they will reimburse members when gyms close until the anger dies down. Members never get money back as they are unsecured creditors.

You seem to know so much about the agreement between the landlord and the tenant that I can only assume you must be the tenant!
You had a business to run and you run it into the ground, The landlord also had a business to run. What did you expect the landlord to do? Save you and allow his business to run to the groung?
Get real, You had an agreement from the start with the landlord so you knew what you were getting into.
If you really cared about the members and staff you would have been on the premises last Weds to face the music, not locking up on Tues night, sticking a notice on the door and running away.