new nct test regulations.

blacktalons

on todays "joe duffys liveline " it was confirmed that from june this year all cars 10 years or older will have to be tested every year. :eek:

scudster

Thats been in the pipeline for ages.

bazz26

That was announced some time last year. Good to see Joe still has his finger on the pulse.

biko

Not really new news.

jimmyw

bazz26 wrote: »

That was announced some time last year. Good to see Joe Damien still has his finger on the pulse.

Thats not new OP:rolleyes:

blacktalons

biko wrote: »

Not really new news.

nobody said it was "new news". the difference being,that it being enforced from june 2011, can you understand that?.

Max_Damage

I believe they're checking the dates on tyres now.

Atlantic Dawn

Max_Damage wrote: »

I believe they're checking the dates on tyres now.

This is purely from a if they are 5 years old or more they will tell you point of view, no fail once they have the E mark and are at legal thread depth. Tyres at 5 years old will be more at risk of a blowout as the rubber degrades over time.

biko

blacktalons wrote: »

nobody said it was "new news". the difference being,that it being enforced from june 2011, can you understand that?.

Easy there tiger. There's been a thread a month for this. Last one I saw was today in AH.
Afaik most EU states has the regulation so we're just getting in line with them.

CiniO

The question which I asked already few times on similar thread, but no one answered yet.
I'll try again.

My car is 9 year old now It will be 10 on November 2011.
Obviously you can test a car up to 90 days before it's test due date.
So if I test my car say on October 2011, will I get NCT for a year or two.
Technically the car will be only 9 years old at the time of the test, so I assume it should be for 2 years.
But how it will look in reality?

mlumley

Do they have the facilities to test them every year? I know that last year it was hard to get an apointment for a test.

Nonoperational

CiniO wrote: »

The question which I asked already few times on similar thread, but no one answered yet.
I'll try again.

My car is 9 year old now It will be 10 on November 2011.
Obviously you can test a car up to 90 days before it's test due date.
So if I test my car say on October 2011, will I get NCT for a year or two.
Technically the car will be only 9 years old at the time of the test, so I assume it should be for 2 years.
But how it will look in reality?

I'd imagine if it will be 10 years old when the last NCT expires you'll only get 1 year.

CiniO

gpf101 wrote: »

I'd imagine if it will be 10 years old when the last NCT expires you'll only get 1 year.

That's what the regulations say

3. (1) Section 18 and these Regulations apply to a vehicle, other than a small public service vehicle or a vehicle mentioned in paragraph (4)—


(a) from the fourth anniversary of first registration of the vehicle, or


(b) where the vehicle was first registered—


(i) before 1 January 1992, from the anniversary of first registration of the vehicle which occurred in the year 2000,


(ii) between 1 January 1992 and 31 December 1996, from the anniversary of first registration of the vehicle which occurred in the year 2001, or


(iii) between 1 January 1997 and 31 December 1998, from the anniversary of first registration of the vehicle which occurred in the year 2002.


(2) The test due dates for a vehicle mentioned in paragraph (1) are:


(a) from the commencement of these Regulations until 31 May 2011, the anniversary dates mentioned in paragraph (1) and each subsequent biennial of those dates, and


(b) from 1 June 2011, the anniversary dates mentioned in paragraph (1) and—


(i) from the tenth anniversary of first registration of the vehicle, each subsequent anniversary of those dates, and


(ii) in any other case, each subsequent biennial of those dates.

I'm not 100% sure how tu understand it.

gary the great

Are the Gardai actually giving people penalty points if they have an expired NCT? Or whats the penalty? I see loads of cars with expired NCT's...

Nonoperational

CiniO wrote: »

That's what the regulations say


I'm not 100% sure how tu understand it.

I reckon you'll only get a year.

challengemaster

CiniO wrote: »

That's what the regulations say


I'm not 100% sure how tu understand it.

Tbh, just do it and find out - either way it won't make that much of a difference apart from knowing...

dougie-lampkin

gary the great wrote: »

Are the Gardai actually giving people penalty points if they have an expired NCT? Or whats the penalty? I see loads of cars with expired NCT's...

I think it depends on the Garda you happen to meet, what you're driving, how long the NCT is out, etc. When I started driving my current car, the NCT was out by 4(?) years, it was sitting on a previous owner's driveway. The car underwent a full restoration before I started driving it, it was immaculate mechanically. I drove it for 5 months with no test, and I was stopped numerous times, simply because the car stands out. The lack of NCT was rarely mentioned, once it was taxed and insured and I showed my full licence the Gardai didn't mind. I was even in an accident with no NCT (I wasn't liable), neither insurance assessor that called out cared, the Gardai at the scene didn't care, it was never mentioned. When a Garda finally stopped me and mentioned that I could be done for 5 points, car impounded, lifetime of hard labour, yada yada, he said to just book it and he'd be happy, since "in his opinion" the car was perfectly roadworthy. It's also worth noting that the accident happened within my first week of driving it, and I couldn't put it through the NCT until the bodywork was repaired (headlight alignment was out, wheel arch was missing and wheel was poking out past the body as a result, nothing majorly wrong), which I couldn't do until the insurance claim was processed, and the 3 month NCT waiting list didn't help matters.

tl;dr - No, the Gardai don't seem to care once the car isn't on its last legs and you're not doing anything else wrong or being cheeky. And that they certainly won't care if you have it booked in and can show them the booking appointment. Especially with the epic waiting times at some NCT centres, it's not your fault that you physically can't get a car tested before it expires, the Gardai allow for this. It's the upside of having such a discretionary police service

Del2005

mlumley wrote: »

Do they have the facilities to test them every year? I know that last year it was hard to get an apointment for a test.

I managed to get appointments within a week for a few cars last year. Checking a few different places helped.

Also last year they had the farce where they said they where going to enforce NCTs so all the illegal motorists panicked and got their cars done.

You can NCT upto 30 days ahead of time so there's no excuse for not having an valid NCT.

dougie-lampkin

Del2005 wrote: »

I managed to get appointments within a week for a few cars last year. Checking a few different places helped.

Also last year they had the farce where they said they where going to enforce NCTs so all the illegal motorists panicked and got their cars done.

You can NCT upto 30 days ahead of time so there's no excuse for not having an valid NCT.

For example, the test on a car I recently sold falls due on the 10/05, so it can be booked in as early as today, if dates were available. As you can see, there are no dates for another two months in Limerick. This is a common occurrence. In fact, two months is an improvement. I don't know what test centre you're on about, but for my test centres in Limerick, I physically cannot get the car tested before it falls due. If I still had the car, I'd have to drive it for a whole month without being able to test it. Sure I could go to an NCT centre in the middle of Donegal and might find a date (in fact they have two appointments for the 20th of this month :pac:), but that's just not viable for me. I'm sure many other test centres are in the same boat also.

CiniO

dougie-lampkin wrote: »

For example, the test on a car I recently sold falls due on the 10/05, so it can be booked in as early as today, if dates were available. As you can see, there are no dates for another two months in Limerick. This is a common occurrence. In fact, two months is an improvement. I don't know what test centre you're on about, but for my test centres in Limerick, I physically cannot get the car tested before it falls due. If I still had the car, I'd have to drive it for a whole month without being able to test it. Sure I could go to an NCT centre in the middle of Donegal and might find a date (in fact they have two appointments for the 20th of this month :pac:), but that's just not viable for me. I'm sure many other test centres are in the same boat also.

First of all you can NCT car not 30 days, but 90 days before due date. And in case of 4 year old cars, even 180 days.

Secondly, it's enought to ring them, and if you are not offered a date withing next 4 weeks, tell them that in this case you want your test free of charge. They will find a date within 4 weeks for you then.

dougie-lampkin

CiniO wrote: »

First of all you can NCT car not 30 days, but 90 days before due date. And in case of 4 year old cars, even 180 days.

I know that, it was another poster mentioned 30 days. I only sold it this week :P Didn't know about the 180 days though.

CiniO wrote: »

Secondly, it's enought to ring them, and if you are not offered a date withing next 4 weeks, tell them that in this case you want your test free of charge. They will find a date within 4 weeks for you then.

I know you can, and that you won't get the free test if you don't ring them. But it shouldn't be that way, the online system is in place. The only reason they'll give you a test within 4 weeks if you ring is just so that you don't get the free test. Why isn't the time they'll then arrange for you available online?

Del2005

I checked all my local centres online, all where booked out. Called after 8am and got a cancellation.

Didn't realise its 180 days, then there is no excuse for driving illegally.

Stealthirl

I was going to start a new thread but might aswell ask here 1st

My cars NCT is up 30 of June and it will be 18 years old
The nct is booked for the 3 June as i couldant get one any earlyer despte trying :mad:

so am i right in thinking this will be a NCT for 1 year only or is it cars tested after june ?

Chuck Stone

Who asked for this? Who stands to gain? Is this about peoples safety or about special interests?

Reloc8

gary the great wrote: »

Are the Gardai actually giving people penalty points if they have an expired NCT? Or whats the penalty? I see loads of cars with expired NCT's...

Driving with an expired NCT is a penalty point offence attracting a mandatory court appearance, fine and 5 points.

I'm fairly sure if you procure an NCT between the offence being committed and the court appearance the points go down to 3 but I can't find the relevant statutory instrument - at least I'm fairly sure that that used to be the case; it may have changed.

Anyway, its not the Gardai who give you the points - they follow on conviction in court following summons.

YouTookMyName

Driving with an NCT expired for more than 6 months will invalidate your insurance with some companys.

dr.fuzzenstein

dougie-lampkin wrote: »

tl;dr - No, the Gardai don't seem to care once the car isn't on its last legs and you're not doing anything else wrong or being cheeky. And that they certainly won't care if you have it booked in and can show them the booking appointment. Especially with the epic waiting times at some NCT centres, it's not your fault that you physically can't get a car tested before it expires, the Gardai allow for this. It's the upside of having such a discretionary police service

Yep, Tax, Insurance, graand.

mondeo

Well im glad mine is nct'd until end sep 2012'. Don't have to worry about it for awhile. Personally I think it's a revenue generation thing. More money out of the pocket to those with older cars who probably cannot afford a newer model,

dr.fuzzenstein

mondeo wrote: »

Well im glad mine is nct'd until end sep 2012'. Don't have to worry about it for awhile. Personally I think it's a revenue generation thing. More money out of the pocket to those with older cars who probably cannot afford a newer model,

It's more the harassment factor, they can't ban older cars from our roads, and I'm pretty sure they'd like to see anything older than 10 years scrapped and replaced with something shiny and new, but compared to the running cost of a car over a year the NCT is peanuts really.
But what they can do (like the Swiss) is to make sure that older cars have stricter standards applied to them, so that a 15 year old car is sometimes in better shape than a 5 year old. (car that is)
So by having you take time out for this and possibly failing you on small and ridiculous things so you will have to come back again for a retest (infamous "leaking brakeline" springs to mind), you will have so much hassle. you'll think twice about driving an old banger.
Pushing new cars on us and making sure old ones get scrapped has absolutely zip, zilch and zero to do with safety and environmentalism. (isn't it funny that anything "environmental" always translates into "you will have to cough up more")
It is about profit and as much of it as possible.
On the plus side older cars might be well cared for now (as if) instead of simply being driven till the wheels fall off, the default level of car care in Ireland and then winging that it was "a lemon".

Big Nasty

FYI - the missus' car is due its NCT the end of June and if tested then would only get 12 months so I put it through early (yesterday). Failed on two visual items which I got sorted and brought it back this morning. Because it was tested before June 1 I got 2 years out of it. I.e. now NCT'd until 30/06/2013.

If your car is due its NCT in the next three months get it done before the end of this month and you will get 2 years instead of one.;)

brembo26

gary the great wrote: »

Are the Gardai actually giving people penalty points if they have an expired NCT? Or whats the penalty? I see loads of cars with expired NCT's...

I had my car takin off me twice for having an NCT out for about 2 months. €150 release fee from the Garda station both times. Funny thing is i was alowed drive it away each time as well :P This was about 2 years ago...

Going Forward

blacktalons wrote: »

on todays "joe duffys liveline " it was confirmed that from june this year all cars 10 years or older will have to be tested every year. :eek:

Are there any national statistics available to show that cars of 10 years or older are:

A. Involved in more fatal accidents than newer cars.
B. What percentage of fatal accidents are a direct result of mechanical failure?

Notice the word "fatal"; no one is interested if its not a fatal one...........

No? Didnt think so. More from the unelected, unnacountable RSA overlords who will never have to worry about possessing a 10 year old car.

Wibbs

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

It's more the harassment factor, they can't ban older cars from our roads, and I'm pretty sure they'd like to see anything older than 10 years scrapped and replaced with something shiny and new, but compared to the running cost of a car over a year the NCT is peanuts really.
But what they can do (like the Swiss) is to make sure that older cars have stricter standards applied to them, so that a 15 year old car is sometimes in better shape than a 5 year old. (car that is)
So by having you take time out for this and possibly failing you on small and ridiculous things so you will have to come back again for a retest (infamous "leaking brakeline" springs to mind), you will have so much hassle. you'll think twice about driving an old banger.
Pushing new cars on us and making sure old ones get scrapped has absolutely zip, zilch and zero to do with safety and environmentalism. (isn't it funny that anything "environmental" always translates into "you will have to cough up more")
It is about profit and as much of it as possible.
On the plus side older cars might be well cared for now (as if) instead of simply being driven till the wheels fall off, the default level of car care in Ireland and then winging that it was "a lemon".

+1000

Our man in Havana

YouTookMyName wrote: »

Driving with an NCT expired for more than 6 months will invalidate your insurance with some companys.

Source?

What you conveniently forget to state is an insurance company would still be obligated to pay out any third party claims regardless. A fact that is lost on most people. They may well try and recover the money but the injured party is always compensated.

Esel

gary the great wrote: »

Are the Gardai actually giving people penalty points if they have an expired NCT? Or whats the penalty? I see loads of cars with expired NCT's...

To get points, you have to be prosecuted and convicted. You get 5 points :eek: and fine is €1500. Not sure if judge has discretion on the fine amount.

burrentech

Going Forward wrote: »

Are there any national statistics available to show that cars of 10 years or older are:

A. Involved in more fatal accidents than newer cars.
B. What percentage of fatal accidents are a direct result of mechanical failure?

Notice the word "fatal"; no one is interested if its not a fatal one...........

No? Didn't think so. More from the unelected, unnacountable RSA overlords who will never have to worry about possessing a 10 year old car.

According to RSA figures available on their website no accidents have been caused by dangerously defective vehicles.

The NCTS website shows that 0.1% of vehicles failed with dangerous faults time, fail the retest. Presumably these vehicles are scrapped. True, older cars fail more often first time. By the same token new Toyotas have shown to have serious design flaws that may have contributed to actual fatalities, and new cars don't get tested at all, well maybe now to check the mats don't jam the throttle open!

The whole legislation is being driven :rolleyes: by the motor industry, they want you to buy the disposable car as often as they can force you to ditch :eek: the old one. Apologies for the puns

Our man in Havana

Esel wrote: »

To get points, you have to be prosecuted and convicted. You get 5 points :eek: and fine is €1500. Not sure if judge has discretion on the fine amount.

Judges always have discretion with fines. €1500 is the maximum fine. That is to scare the bejaysus out of the peasants.

Our man in Havana

burrentech wrote: »

According to RSA figures available on their website no accidents have been caused by dangerously defective vehicles.

The NCTS website shows that 0.1% of vehicles failed with dangerous faults time, fail the retest. Presumably these vehicles are scrapped. True, older cars fail more often first time. By the same token new Toyotas have shown to have serious design flaws that may have contributed to actual fatalities, and new cars don't get tested at all, well maybe now to check the mats don't jam the throttle open!

The whole legislation is being driven :rolleyes: by the motor industry, they want you to buy the disposable car as often as they can force you to ditch :eek: the old one. Apologies for the puns

You are correct. It is SIMI that is forcing the governments hand here.

As regards cars that fail and fail a retest, many of them are not scrapped. There is no law that says they must be scrapped. Many would be properly fixed and may pass a 3rd test, some would end up in the hands of children to drive around the fields until the car stops and lastly a few may actually get scrapped.

Esel

Our man in Havana wrote: »

Judges always have discretion with fines. €1500 is the maximum fine. That is to scare the bejaysus out of the peasants.

I would think that 5 points on your licence is enough to scare most people . . .

Anan1

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

It's more the harassment factor, they can't ban older cars from our roads, and I'm pretty sure they'd like to see anything older than 10 years scrapped and replaced with something shiny and new, but compared to the running cost of a car over a year the NCT is peanuts really.
But what they can do (like the Swiss) is to make sure that older cars have stricter standards applied to them, so that a 15 year old car is sometimes in better shape than a 5 year old. (car that is)
So by having you take time out for this and possibly failing you on small and ridiculous things so you will have to come back again for a retest (infamous "leaking brakeline" springs to mind), you will have so much hassle. you'll think twice about driving an old banger.
Pushing new cars on us and making sure old ones get scrapped has absolutely zip, zilch and zero to do with safety and environmentalism. (isn't it funny that anything "environmental" always translates into "you will have to cough up more")
It is about profit and as much of it as possible.
On the plus side older cars might be well cared for now (as if) instead of simply being driven till the wheels fall off, the default level of car care in Ireland and then winging that it was "a lemon".

Personally speaking, I wouldn't want to drive an older car that couldn't pass an NCT. It's a cheap safety test, necessitated by peoples inability to even keep their headlights working without government supervision.

coylemj

From the NCT website ......

Older vehicles are also more likely to be involved in a collision. The Road Traffic Collisions 2009 statistics show that 41.5% of fatal collisions that occurred in 2009 involved vehicles that were 10 years old or more. Almost half (46%) of serious injuries from collisions that occurred in 2009 involved vehicles that were 10 years old or more.

Unfortunately it doesn't seem to have occurred to them that the reason for the high number of fatalities involving older cars is not because the cars themselves are unsafe, it's because at that age they are within the budget of young male drivers.

burrentech

coylemj wrote: »

From the NCT website ......

Older vehicles are also more likely to be involved in a collision. The Road Traffic Collisions 2009 statistics show that 41.5% of fatal collisions that occurred in 2009 involved vehicles that were 10 years old or more. Almost half (46%) of serious injuries from collisions that occurred in 2009 involved vehicles that were 10 years old or more.

Unfortunately it doesn't seem to have occurred to them that the reason for the high number of fatalities involving older cars is not because the cars themselves are unsafe, it's because at that age they are within the budget of young male drivers.

I think someone needs to go back to school, their own figures mean that 58.5% of fatal collisions involved cars less than 10 years old. 54% of serious injuries involved cars of less than 10 years old. Looks like cars of less than 10 years old need to be tested more often, if that's their criteria. I guess fairy tales are the new Math :eek:

Gophur

Going Forward wrote: »

.......

Notice the word "fatal"; no one is interested if its not a fatal one...........

...........

Not true, I'd say it's just yourself.

Sad to see one only being interested in catastrophic collisions.

Triangla

burrentech wrote: »

I think someone needs to go back to school, their own figures mean that 58.5% of fatal collisions involved cars less than 10 years old. 54% of serious injuries involved cars of less than 10 years old. Looks like cars of less than 10 years old need to be tested more often, if that's their criteria. I guess fairy tales are the new Math :eek:

LOL - it's funny because you're right.