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Minsk bomb attack - False flag operation

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    Usually I think these claims of 'false flag' operations are ridiculous, but I think there might be some mileage in it on this occasion. Those post-soviet dictatorships/kleptocracies (Russia etc) will go to great lengths to stay in power, I'd imagine.


  • Site Banned Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭Brown Bomber


    Standard coincidence. The article below doesn't mention it specifically but Rafi Eitan was Pollard's handler.

    Former Mossad Agent Landed in Minsk
    April 11 2011
    Former agent of the Israeli intelligence service Mossad, a member of the government and current adviser to Israeli Prime Minister of Pensioner Affairs, Rafi Eitan, is visiting Belarus. Representatives of the Israeli Embassy have explained Telegraf that the former Israeli Minister of Belarus is on a private visit.

    85-year-old Rafi Eitan and his wife, after landing in the airport headed to Rechitsa where his ancestors came from, reports the publication Kursor.co.il.

    Rafi Eitan was born in 1926 in Israel, Kibbutz Ein-Herut. He served in Palmach, first worked in the General Security Service (Shin Bet), and then in the foreign intelligence (Mossad), where he headed the Operations Department.
    http://telegraf.by/2011/04/former-mossad-agent-landed-in-minsk.html

    The Police Insists on Trial against Former Ambassador of Israel to Belarus

    Israeli police recommended the country's Attorney-General, Yehuda Weinstein, formally charge accusations in corruption against former Israeli Ambassador to Belarus, Zeev Ben-Arie, and the head of the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs, Avigdor Lieberman. The police also recommended bring a charge against the present head of the Israeli Foreign Ministry on money-laundering through abuse of public trust.

    According to the police information, allegedly, during recent visit of Avigdor Lieberman in Minsk in October 2008 Zeev Ben Arie transmitted him copies of documents relating to possible corruption charges. The police say that among the transferred materials there was a target request of the Israeli Minister of Justice to the government of Belarus on the inspection of bank accounts of Avigdor Lieberman, Lenta.ru informs.

    The police suspect the head of the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs of illegal receipt of 2.5 million dollars under the guise of donations for his election campaign. According to police, the money was remitted to Avigdor Lieberman through his daughter's bank account in Cyprus.

    http://telegraf.by/2010/05/the-police-insists-on-trial-against-former-ambassador-of-israel-to-belarus.html


  • Site Banned Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭Brown Bomber


    Ze’ev Ben-Aryeh allegedly tipped off Lieberman on police investigation.
    According to one law enforcement source, Ben-Aryeh confessed during questioning in recent days to opening – while he was Israel’s envoy to Minsk in 2008 – an envelope containing a confidential police request addressed to authorities in Belarus asking for assistance with an investigation into Lieberman’s affairs.

    The document contained secret information pertaining to the investigation, and included the names of persons of interest to the investigation and bank account details, according to reports.

    Ben-Aryeh has been questioned on a number of occasions over the past few weeks, and is suspected of passing the information on to Lieberman when the two men met in Belarus in October 2008.

    In February 2009, just after Israel’s general election, when the country was anxiously waiting to hear whether Lieberman’s Israel Beiteinu party would join a Likud- or a Kadima-led government, Lieberman flew off for five days to Minsk for what was described as rest and relaxation.

    After his tenure as ambassador to Belarus ended, Ben-Aryeh returned to Jerusalem and was appointed Lieberman’s adviser on Russia and Euro-Asia inside his bureau. Police are also investigating whether this promotion to diplomatic adviser was linked to the alleged illegal tip-off.
    http://www.jpost.com/Israel/Article.aspx?ID=170148


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 188 ✭✭33


    http://telegraf.by/2011/04/israel-sends-special-equipment-to-belarus.html

    Morning, April 13, a special group of experts from Israel is coming in Minsk to give necessary assistance to the Belarusian colleagues. This was reported to Telegraf by charge d'affaires of the Embassy of Israel to Belarus Asaf Braha on April 12. According to him, Israeli experts with special equipment will go to the scene directly from the airport upon the arrival in Belarus.

    Asaf Braha informed that the delegation included experts on explosives, criminologists, as well as a medical officer from the rear service of the IDF, extensively experienced in treating the injured in the terroristic attacks. He will officially head the mission.


    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/WorldEdition/belarus-subway-explosion-_n_847522_84040954.html

    “Guess who landed in Minsk this morning?

    http://tel*egraf.by/2*011/04/for*mer-mossad*-agent-lan*ded-in-min*sk.html

    Google this guy's name and you'll have a blast”


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    From the BBC:
    Mr Lukashenko congratulated the police on a "brilliant" operation and said they must now question opposition politicians in connection with the attack. He called for a thorough "cleansing" of society.
    He was re-elected by a landslide majority last December, but the opposition and international observers said there were serious irregularities.
    He has maintained an iron grip on Belarus since coming to power in 1994.
    So the guys who did it have already been caught and more-or-less convicted, in a matter of days? And now the dictator wants a purge of the opposition on the back of the bombing? Not suspicious at all.

    The BBC isn't saying outright that it is all terribly suspicious, but they are supplying all the info that a reader would need to arrive at that conclusion on their own.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-13065747


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,869 ✭✭✭Mahatma coat


    anyone Read
    Blowing up russia
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blowing_Up_Russia:_Terror_from_Within

    its teh book that Litvenko got killed for.

    its pretty straightforward about the false flag operation that led to the Chechnya conflict.

    Scary stuff, if one Government is up to it whos to say what other governments with better spinmerchants are at:eek:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    Scary stuff, if one Government is up to it whos to say what other governments with better spinmerchants are at:eek:
    I reckon Western democracies are relatively safe from this sort of stuff due to a free press and the likelihood of leaks. You only need to compare how effective Soviet and Western espionage/counter-espionage efforts were during the cold war to see how effective the Soviets were compared to the often shambolic West.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,324 ✭✭✭Cork boy 55


    Just watched euronews there
    not known for being insightful or opinonated
    but the report pracitcally said it was the government

    In the history of false flags this is the stupidest false flag attack ever.
    They made a hash of it
    this is the begining of the end of this regime I would say.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    this is the begining of the end of this regime I would say.
    I'd love to think so, but it looks like they are happy to kill their own people to stay in power. Who is going to step in and stop them, as in the Libyan case? The West won't, as it's in the Russian sphere of influence, and the Russians won't unless it's to install another puppet government that they control.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,324 ✭✭✭Cork boy 55


    I'd love to think so, but it looks like they are happy to kill their own people to stay in power. Who is going to step in and stop them, as in the Libyan case? The West won't, as it's in the Russian sphere of influence, and the Russians won't unless it's to install another puppet government that they control.

    I was kinda thinking it might play out like romanain in 89
    A coup d'etat or munity or something,


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,324 ✭✭✭Cork boy 55


    Belarus' authoritarian leader claims his country is "so democratic, it's just nauseating," adding to concerns that a crackdown on political opponents after disputed elections and a subway bombing that killed 13 people is set to intensify.

    http://www.mail.com/int/news/europe/361578-lukashenko-too-democracy-belarus.html

    Unbelieveable. so democratic, it's just nauseating

    Lukashenko described the main suspect as a "monster," saying that he and his accomplices had been preparing three more attacks. He said the suspects came from ordinary families, were keen on chemistry and had taken guidance on making explosives from Internet.


    False flag attack and then a crackdown on democracy and the internet
    textbook stuff.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz



    Lukashenko described the main suspect as a "monster," saying that he and his accomplices had been preparing three more attacks. He said the suspects came from ordinary families, were keen on chemistry and had taken guidance on making explosives from Internet.
    Did they even bother thinking of a motive for the attack?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,324 ✭✭✭Cork boy 55


    Did they even bother thinking of a motive for the attack?

    Nope.
    It really is the lasyiest false flag attack ever


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,831 ✭✭✭Torakx


    I reckon Western democracies are relatively safe from this sort of stuff due to a free press and the likelihood of leaks. You only need to compare how effective Soviet and Western espionage/counter-espionage efforts were during the cold war to see how effective the Soviets were compared to the often shambolic West.

    By shambolic west,do you mean such attempts at subterfuge like pearl harbour and 9/11?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    Torakx wrote: »
    By shambolic west,do you mean such attempts at subterfuge like pearl harbour and 9/11?
    No, I mean established historical facts like spy operations in Germany, the US and Russia after World War 2.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,324 ✭✭✭Cork boy 55


    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-17428399

    Belarus just executed the "bombers" two 25 year factory workers
    shot by pistol in the head
    Rights groups had questioned the validity of the pair's convictions, arguing that no motive had been provided during their trial and that conflicting accounts had cast doubt on their involvement in the attacks.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    Disgraceful stuff.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,696 ✭✭✭Jonny7


    Even the UN security council called it an "apparent" terrorist attack because allegations the Belarus gov was behind it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,038 ✭✭✭jackiebaron


    I reckon Western democracies are relatively safe from this sort of stuff due to a free press and the likelihood of leaks. You only need to compare how effective Soviet and Western espionage/counter-espionage efforts were during the cold war to see how effective the Soviets were compared to the often shambolic West.


    Free press?? :pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,324 ✭✭✭Cork boy 55


    update

    It looks like Alexander Lukashenko may have picked the wrong patsy to blame for his dirty tricks,

    The mother of one the executed "bombers" is is raising hell.

    Strange American angle to this too.
    A guy called Ronald K Noble The Secretary General of Interpol who
    endorsed the investigation, why?

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-19012541
    Earlier this year two men were executed for planting a bomb on the metro in the Belarus capital Minsk, but some believe they were forced to confess and the bomb was the work of the state security services.
    The Secretary General of Interpol, Ronald K Noble, should have little to fear from the grieving mother of a dead son, shot by sentence of a Belarus court this March for his part in last year's Minsk Metro bomb - or so you might have thought.
    But thanks to an extraordinarily brave campaign by bereaved parent Lyubov Kovalyova, who is regularly watched by the Belarus secret police (still called the KGB), grave doubts about the guilt of the two men convicted for the bomb have arisen.
    Now the Belarus KGB is being accused of planting the bomb, rigging a show trial and torturing confessions out of the two suspects.
    Noble, an American appointee, who endorsed the state investigation, is facing serious questions about his judgement.





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    The European Union cristicised the execution of Dmitry Konovalov and Vladislav Kovalyov


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