Cratloe Rapists are they all out on early release?

bigpink

Reading the paper today the name of one of them was mentioned how the hell did he get out so early??:mad:

TestTransmission

The Irish Justice system is a joke basically

langdang

bigpink wrote: »

how the hell did he get out so early??:mad:

and rewarded with a house in Murroe. Crime pays...

baldbear

One of them got 20 years i think so he couldn't be out. All the teens are out though.

langdang

The guy in the paper today was referred to as the "ringleader", and he's out...
http://www.independent.ie/national-news/gang-brothers-arrested-over-death-threats-to-exgirlfriend-2616104.html

Jagle

F'in disgrace, complete and utter joke, might as well go rape who we want, what kinda message does this send to criminals like.

oh ya go ahead rape people, sure youll be out early, no problem good behaviour and all that.

who decides they get early release, doesnt the judge who sentence them have to be involved?

niallers1

If they're in prison they could not commit crime..If they cannot commit crime there is no need for as many Guards, solicitors/Barristers and Judges..

If prisoners are released early then that keeps the judiciary in a job by keeping the door revolving..

It's like repeat customers for a shop..without them you will go out of business.

I think it's nuts that people can rack up 50 or 60 previous convictions. If they have this many convictions they have probably committed 10 times the amount of crimes.

I think anybody who commits their 10th offence should get a mandatory 10 years in prison no matter how minor the offence and serve their sentence consecutively instead of concurently. How many chances do they need.

Normal decent people will not be affected by this.

bazz26

It pays to be a career criminal. Bring back corporal punishment and the death penalty, why should the tax payer subsidise these leaches of society?

jonski

This is actually the thing that got me from the other thread on here today .

The fact that he only got 10 years for that vicious a crime is a scandal in itself ( imo hanging would be too good for them ) , but to think that he is out already just makes the whole thing pointless .

Stuxnet

3 strike rule like in the US, 3 strikes ='s mandatory 25 years

thats what we need, but we dont have the politicians with balls to do anything

kilburn

absolute joke they should have gotten 50 years each, locked ina cell with Bubba, see how they enjoy that, scumbags

mike kelly

Rape is not taken very seriously by our justice system.Remember the Manuela Riedo case? Raped and murdered by a fellow who was out on bail for another rape.

bigpink

And a free house in Murroe sweet jesus

Kess73

mike kelly wrote: »

Rape is not taken very seriously by our justice system.Remember the Manuela Riedo case? Raped and murdered by a fellow who was out on bail for another rape.

And he is out on bail or early release already for that rape and murder. It was in the news last week. That poor girl died and her poor parents get a life sentence of having to deal with the loss of their girl, yet the scum that did it, a piece of trash that already had a previous rape conviction to his name, is walking about where he can be a threat to others.

belle2e

Do what they do in turkey,cut there balls off

Raiser

Kess73 wrote: »

And he is out on bail or early release already for that rape and murder. It was in the news last week. That poor girl died and her poor parents get a life sentence of having to deal with the loss of their girl, yet the scum that did it, a piece of trash that already had a previous rape conviction to his name, is walking about where he can be a threat to others.

Have you a link to that Kess?

- He was given 2 life sentences almost exactly 2 years ago - July 24th 2009. Can that really equal 100 weeks in jail???????

http://www.galwaynews.ie/8264-gerald-barry-handed-two-life-sentences-rape-french-student?mini=all_news/2009/6/all&

How many more rapes and murders will he be allowed to notch up??????


I remember reading the details of the Cratloe Rapists night on the Town - These People should be hung from the nearest Lampost.......

The_Dave

Isn't it easy for the judge to hand down those life sentences for that rape when he's already serving a life sentence. Now imagine if he was a free man, or a prisoner currently serving a sentence of less than 10 years at the time of sentencing, it'd be interesting to see what the judge would have sentenced him to then...

The Snipe

Heres a good read in AH About how bad our justice system is!

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056342166

touts

People should jam the switch board of the Irish Council for Civil Liberties over this issue (and many many others). These self appointed criminal rights activists have an almost god like status on the media and among the politicians who are terrified of attracting their opposition. As a result civil society is held to ransom by criminals who operate secure in the knowledge that the law can't touch them because one of the most powerful lobby groups in the country have their back.

bernardo mac

Prior to the Cratloe rape crime in January2004 members of the gang involved visited havoc and fear at will in Limerick's suburbs.You can be certain that members of the judiciary or the ICCL do not live in areas where such social mayhem occurs

Berty

Ministers are only interested in voting on important measures like this

http://www.thejournal.ie/cabinet-approves-use-of-bus-lanes-for-official-business-190637-Aug2011/

Insect Overlord

Beer Baron wrote: »

Ministers are only interested in voting on important measures like this

http://www.thejournal.ie/cabinet-approves-use-of-bus-lanes-for-official-business-190637-Aug2011/

If I wasn't familiar with The Journal I would have assumed that article was written by The Onion News Network. Madness.

Kess73

Raiser wrote: »

Have you a link to that Kess?

- He was given 2 life sentences almost exactly 2 years ago - July 24th 2009. Can that really equal 100 weeks in jail???????

http://www.galwaynews.ie/8264-gerald-barry-handed-two-life-sentences-rape-french-student?mini=all_news/2009/6/all&

How many more rapes and murders will he be allowed to notch up??????


I remember reading the details of the Cratloe Rapists night on the Town - These People should be hung from the nearest Lampost.......

Will try to find something on it for you. It was either bail, early release, or some kind of day release program.

hightower1

Of all the horrific stories from the city over the years this one in particular always stands out in my mind as one of the most depraved and inhuman acts possible.

I make no apoalgies for saying that every single one of them scumbags - ringleads or not - should be killed. I'm sorry but aside from the moniatry cost they will continue to cause the state until the day they die the sheer mental anguish they have already caused justifies it let alone taking onto accout the pain they will inflict on the world in the future.

Destory them as you would a rabbid pack of dogs and let us never remeber the likes of them again.

kilburn

Just read this, one of the 23 year old scumbags got a 2 month suspended sentence for attacking staff in the regional. He has 44 convictions and got a suspended sentence what does he have to do to get a long sentence, seemingly it is not gang rape anyway.

Scumbag deserves to be locked up and have the key thrown away.

What the hell is wrong with the judges. :mad:

http://www.live95fm.ie/news/news-item/convicted-rapist-causes-havoc-in-limerick-regional-ae/7c48550d-d9ec-48fa-bab8-56469c452988

Berty

He needs to refuse to let the ESB put wiring across his property it seems.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/0908/treacyt.html

Maybe not pay his TV License, Dog License or like Al Capone get done for Tax Evasion(You need to earn some money which is taxable first of course)

touts

kilburn wrote: »

Just read this, one of the 23 year old scumbags got a 2 month suspended sentence for attacking staff in the regional. He has 44 convictions and got a suspended sentence what does he have to do to get a long sentence, seemingly it is not gang rape anyway.

Scumbag deserves to be locked up and have the key thrown away.

What the hell is wrong with the judges. :mad:

http://www.live95fm.ie/news/news-item/convicted-rapist-causes-havoc-in-limerick-regional-ae/7c48550d-d9ec-48fa-bab8-56469c452988

Send an e-mail to the Irish Council for Civil Liberties and ask them to justify this. They would be very quick to go on Matt Cooper and complain if he got 30 years. Our politicians and judges are terrified of the power they and other Criminal Liberties organisations yield on the media.

Kess73

kilburn wrote: »

Just read this, one of the 23 year old scumbags got a 2 month suspended sentence for attacking staff in the regional. He has 44 convictions and got a suspended sentence what does he have to do to get a long sentence, seemingly it is not gang rape anyway.

Scumbag deserves to be locked up and have the key thrown away.

What the hell is wrong with the judges. :mad:

http://www.live95fm.ie/news/news-item/convicted-rapist-causes-havoc-in-limerick-regional-ae/7c48550d-d9ec-48fa-bab8-56469c452988

Exactly. The scum no that there is no real punishment for their actions so they do as they like.

A joke that a convicted rapist is out and about and still committing crimes. The latest two month suspended sentence for attacking people in the hospital is just a joke.


Ah but this country is great at going after the real "criminals" as the link in BB's post shows. :rolleyes:


No wonder Limerick is riddled with so much scum when they can do as they please and walk away with a slap on the wrist.

bazz26

Just put him down like you would a vicious dog. Pointless wasting time, energy and money on these wastes of DNA when they will contribute nothing of value to society over their entire lives.

Kess73

touts wrote: »

Send an e-mail to the Irish Council for Civil Liberties and ask them to justify this. They would be very quick to go on Matt Cooper and complain if he got 30 years. Our politicians and judges are terrified of the power they and other Criminal Liberties organisations yield on the media.

Have sent a mail to them, and sent one to the mayor as well asking him if he is going to highlight the need for proper sentences for people who commit serious crime at the rate the scumbag rapist has been doing so with the same vigour as he showed in going to the media about Limerick having nobody in the Rose Of Tralee.

Having people like that rapist who still is being convicted of new offences on our streets is a far bigger issue that some beauty pagent.

bernardo mac

It's damned incredible that these criminals are getting away with causing social mayhem.The light sentencing is encouraging the young emerging thugs to continue to intimidate their neighbours even in areas that were once quiet and civilised within short walking distance from Roxboro Garda Station: Janesboro,Rathbane......

europa11

And arrogant little shltes they are too, every one of them a candidate for a Degree in Criminals' Rights & Entiltlements.

Meanwhile I see the chief of LK Regeneration, Mr. Kenny, is being touted as the new head-honcho of the combined City/County Authority.

Some reward for him, as far as I'm concerned Regeneration has spread the scumbag disease right across the city and county. Of course not everyone in Southill and Moyross were undesireables, however if memory serves, ReGen promised no criminal elements would be re-located to other districts or indeed to Newport or Murroe etc..

Any wonder the Cratloe Rapists and their kind can rule the roost where they live. Weston is now a hole with "hard-men" of ten yrs of age running wild and uncontrolled. With the spread of scum, those once quiet areas are now fast becoming as no-go as the ghettos of OMP, Keyes, Moyross or the Island are.

michael999999

Tralee is getting as bad. There has been a family feud going on for years, with slash hooks and shotguns being confiscated by the guards, who in fairness arrest them immediately.

They have been to court on numerous occasions, with the armed regional support unit having to guard the court to keep the familys apart.

Suspended sentences all around.

Last week they attacked each other with iron bars in the middle of the street, in front of a funeral home, where inside some poor innocent family were in the middle of the removal of there loved one.

They get brought to Tralee court,held on bail. Go to the high court a few days later and surprise surprise they all get released again.

The amount of money these losers are costing the tax payer is scandolous. This justice system in this country is a f***ing disgrace.

Berty

Speaking of Tralee. Remember a few months back a sales rep was stopped for not displaying tax in Tralee. He lived in Dublin so two days later presented the disc in Dublin but the Garda never put it on the system.

He was summonsed to court and he didn't get the letter(standard excuse) so an arrest warrant was issued. He was arrested in Dublin on Saturday morning and was to be brought to Tralee in a prison van but they said "Court won't be in session till Monday". He was put in MOUNTJOY prison for 2 nights and taken early Monday morning on the long drive to Tralee courthouse where the Judge went bananas and threw the case out because:

He HAD Motor Tax
It cost the state €20,000+ to bring him to court

Moral: The system is a complete joke.

Kess73

Beer Baron wrote: »

Speaking of Tralee. Remember a few months back a sales rep was stopped for not displaying tax in Tralee. He lived in Dublin so two days later presented the disc in Dublin but the Garda never put it on the system.

He was summonsed to court and he didn't get the letter(standard excuse) so an arrest warrant was issued. He was arrested in Dublin on Saturday morning and was to be brought to Tralee in a prison van but they said "Court won't be in session till Monday". He was put in MOUNTJOY prison for 2 nights and taken early Monday morning on the long drive to Tralee courthouse where the Judge went bananas and threw the case out because:

He HAD Motor Tax
It cost the state €20,000+ to bring him to court

Moral: The system is a complete joke.

So basically the guy was falsely imprisoned due to a Garda error/incompetence. What a sick joke. Great how they can arrest someone and bang them into a prison quickly for a "serious" crime like having no motor tax on display, but minor crimes like assaults, robberies and worse can see folk out on the streets the same day.

constantg

that's f*cking insane! have you got a link for that? i that was me, I'd sue for wrongful arrest!

gaf1983

Don't know why the State didn't object to granting of bail to this guy...

Dean Barry of Garryglass has 47 previous convictions including that gang rape:

http://www.limerickpost.ie/index.php/navigation-mainmenu-30/local-news/3702-case-adjourned-pending-directions-of-dpp.html

charlemont

baldbear wrote: »

One of them got 20 years i think so he couldn't be out. All the teens are out though.

Thats Stephen Wiggy Barry.

Simon Adebisi

gaf1983 wrote: »

Don't know why the State didn't object to granting of bail to this guy...

Dean Barry of Garryglass has 47 previous convictions including that gang rape:

http://www.limerickpost.ie/index.php/navigation-mainmenu-30/local-news/3702-case-adjourned-pending-directions-of-dpp.html

Filth. Deserves a bullet in the face. Or at least have the decency to jump off Shannon bridge.

ZombieBride

It always shocks me how some people area allowed to rack up 20+ convictions but are still able to walk free, yet the general public are terrified that they will be put in jail if they don't pay their tv licence or let the ESB onto their land. Madness.

In the last 3 years I've had 2 of the three houses I've lived in robbed three times, my windscreen of my car smashed in, my wing mirror broken off, my car broken into (they pealed back the passenger door!) each time the guards could pretty much tell me who it was that did it, but would I get anything back from it.. would I hell. That's me down a few grand and up a few paranoias.

The other morning at about 8:15am on my way to work I saw a young miscreant walking down Clare Street with a golf club, last I knew there were no courses in the city centre.

Crime really does pay.

seachto7

Sister got her handbag robbed last year. Gardai told her "you don't really want to be pursuing these people any further, they're a bad bunch"
Well, Mr Garda, how about you do your job and pursue them?????????

I know what the Garda was getting at. You stand up in court to them, and they know who you are. Limerick is too small and the scum just don't care.....

constantg

seachto7 wrote: »

Sister got her handbag robbed last year. Gardai told her "you don't really want to be pursuing these people any further, they're a bad bunch"
Well, Mr Garda, how about you do your job and pursue them?????????

I know what the Garda was getting at. You stand up in court to them, and they know who you are. Limerick is too small and the scum just don't care.....

I got given out to by my father and mother for saying earlier that the trouble with the RSU and the ERU in the city is that they don't shoot enough scumbags....




I stand by my words

touts

seachto7 wrote: »

Sister got her handbag robbed last year. Gardai told her "you don't really want to be pursuing these people any further, they're a bad bunch"
Well, Mr Garda, how about you do your job and pursue them?????????

I know what the Garda was getting at. You stand up in court to them, and they know who you are. Limerick is too small and the scum just don't care.....

If the Gardai actually crack down on these scum then the Irish Council for Criminal Liberties will be on every radio station screaming about civil liberties and government oppression. The Gardai know if they take on these guys with anything more than a mere display of force then the government won't back them when the ICCL and other criminal rights organisations leap to the defence of their mates. It has become a no win situation for the Gardai.

BobMc

ZombieBride wrote: »

It always shocks me how some people area allowed to rack up 20+ convictions but are still able to walk free, yet the general public are terrified that they will be put in jail if they don't pay their tv licence or let the ESB onto their land. Madness.

In the last 3 years I've had 2 of the three houses I've lived in robbed three times, my windscreen of my car smashed in, my wing mirror broken off, my car broken into (they pealed back the passenger door!) each time the guards could pretty much tell me who it was that did it, but would I get anything back from it.. would I hell. That's me down a few grand and up a few paranoias.

The other morning at about 8:15am on my way to work I saw a young miscreant walking down Clare Street with a golf club, last I knew there were no courses in the city centre.


I've had the passenger door peel done to me twice also feckers the lot of em, look sentencing is a joke, bring in 3 strike rule, 3rd conviction = 20years, no ifs ands or buts !!!it happens in the states, saw a tv show on it and the 2 strikers before release all brought in and told look so much as spit on the street and we'll have you for 20yrs so cop on or else, time to end bleeding hearts i was abused, from a broken home etc, rack em and stack em I say

Kess73

gaf1983 wrote: »

Don't know why the State didn't object to granting of bail to this guy...

Dean Barry of Garryglass has 47 previous convictions including that gang rape:

http://www.limerickpost.ie/index.php/navigation-mainmenu-30/local-news/3702-case-adjourned-pending-directions-of-dpp.html

And no doubt the scummer will rack up a few more crimes between now and his next court date. The Irish legal system is spineless and an utter joke.

The guy has rape and 46 other convictions to his name at the age of 24, and is due back in court for another assualt. It is a waste of time to allow his kind to walk the streets. He has shown no remorse and no indication that he will change his ways and the only people that get punished are his victims.

Lock him up for life and be done with him as a member of society as he is a worthless individual in terms of any contribution to society based on his criminal convictions.

constantg

if the guards took a firmer line and if the judiciary copped onto the fact that the country is suffering when a serial killing rapist gets time suspended for good behaviour, then MAYBE we could try operating a decent system.

I honestly think if I was living near this guy with a family I'd buy a shotgun and sleep with it under the bed...no word of a lie.

PCPhoto

people have been telling politicians and government officials for years that the system is FUBAR.

the problem is the lack of ability to do anything about it - the Gardai cant clamp down on them because Europe says its an infringement on human rights.

Personally I would like to abolish the "free legal aid" - they all seem to be on the dole so link solicitor fees to social welfare, if you are on social welfare the government will take some of the legal fees but money will be taken from your social welfare to pay for the costs (even if its only €20 per court appearance - it will soon rack up given the amount of court appearances these people make)

Change the name of the childrens court to the Juvenile Court and make it possible to name/publish images of them also, make their records in the Childrens Court available to Circuit Criminal Court if/when they are before it....if a child is a constant re-offender remove him/her from their parents control and place him/her in a bootcamp style facility where permission is given to discipline the offenders....and I dont mean physically abuse them just the odd whallop to let them know they are not going to have an easy time.

Correct them when they are young and we have a chance at correcting society !!

Also - Remove all drugs/mobile phones from prison - its not difficult to install signal jammers so a mobile phone would be useless inside the walls of a prison, Do not give prisoners access to satellite/multi channel TV ...the state broadcaster is what some of us can only afford why should they get any benefits....as for drugs in prisons - careful monitoring and extra screening (including of financial records) of staff.

Remove Gym Equipment from Prisons - if they want to work out, jog around the yard, do some press-ups etc, I don't see why we should facilitate them getting bulked up in prison it serves us no purpose.

Prison is supposed to be a punishment - some criminals have an easier life behind bars - guaranteed hot meals, a bed to sleep in every night....what more could they need.

BobMc

PCPhoto wrote: »

people have been telling politicians and government officials for years that the system is FUBAR.

the problem is the lack of ability to do anything about it - the Gardai cant clamp down on them because Europe says its an infringement on human rights.

Personally I would like to abolish the "free legal aid" - they all seem to be on the dole so link solicitor fees to social welfare, if you are on social welfare the government will take some of the legal fees but money will be taken from your social welfare to pay for the costs (even if its only €20 per court appearance - it will soon rack up given the amount of court appearances these people make)

Change the name of the childrens court to the Juvenile Court and make it possible to name/publish images of them also, make their records in the Childrens Court available to Circuit Criminal Court if/when they are before it....if a child is a constant re-offender remove him/her from their parents control and place him/her in a bootcamp style facility where permission is given to discipline the offenders....and I dont mean physically abuse them just the odd whallop to let them know they are not going to have an easy time.

Correct them when they are young and we have a chance at correcting society !!

Also - Remove all drugs/mobile phones from prison - its not difficult to install signal jammers so a mobile phone would be useless inside the walls of a prison, Do not give prisoners access to satellite/multi channel TV ...the state broadcaster is what some of us can only afford why should they get any benefits....as for drugs in prisons - careful monitoring and extra screening (including of financial records) of staff.

Remove Gym Equipment from Prisons - if they want to work out, jog around the yard, do some press-ups etc, I don't see why we should facilitate them getting bulked up in prison it serves us no purpose.

Prison is supposed to be a punishment - some criminals have an easier life behind bars - guaranteed hot meals, a bed to sleep in every night....what more could they need.

AGREED, what about the warden in the US who puts em in Army tents, he reckons good enough for our soldiers good enough for our prisoners

PCPhoto

if you are gonna throw examples out from the US ...the Texan guy who has them in pink clothes working in chain gangs is also a decent example.

make them work for their time in prison - make them contribute to society (we could tell them and the Civil Rights do-gooders that its work experience so they can better integrate themselves on release)

no remission - why automatically let them out early (and I know its so they dont cause hassle for the prison officers) A jail sentence should be just that.... if you are sentenced for 15years then 15yrs after your sentence date you are released (no-back dating sentences either)

reduced social welfare for criminal convicts - why should the state support someone when they do not obide by the rules of the state ?

As for anyone in the country who is not a resident - don't even bother sending them to jail - next flight out of Ireland to their country and a 10yr ban (minimum) - and for those people who say what about the "Roma" who could come from any country .... if they hold a passport send them back to that country and you need a passport to enter the country, if their country does not exist anymore - send them back to whatever country they came from.

Similar to above - why should the state and the taxpayer pay for keeping these people in the country, we always hear complaints about how prisons are full - so send those who are not a resident home and refuse them entry for a minimum of 10years regardless of crime involved....I dont care if someone is a shoplifter or a rapist, laws exist so society can be a safe place, if people break the laws they make it unsafe for the rest of us, removing that element means the rest of us can enjoy our lives without fear.

BobMc

I guess you're referencing Asylum seekers etc, I kinda of agree with that too, but, let them go thru the courts ie Innocent till proven guilty, if found guilty of a crime, sentence them then deport them and cancel any application they may have pending, prints, dna and on file all the details and sentence, if found entering the country again, serve the full sentence and deport again, make it know we're no soft touch nation, read a recent case from a canadaian newspaper and two 19 year old brothers convicted of armed robberies, appears their mother never got citizenship and they are technically illegals, once sentenced they are considering deporting them back to jamaica, no sympathy vote there, you endanger the citizens of canada and we dont want

magma69

PCPhoto wrote: »

people have been telling politicians and government officials for years that the system is FUBAR.

the problem is the lack of ability to do anything about it - the Gardai cant clamp down on them because Europe says its an infringement on human rights.

Personally I would like to abolish the "free legal aid" - they all seem to be on the dole so link solicitor fees to social welfare, if you are on social welfare the government will take some of the legal fees but money will be taken from your social welfare to pay for the costs (even if its only €20 per court appearance - it will soon rack up given the amount of court appearances these people make)

Change the name of the childrens court to the Juvenile Court and make it possible to name/publish images of them also, make their records in the Childrens Court available to Circuit Criminal Court if/when they are before it....if a child is a constant re-offender remove him/her from their parents control and place him/her in a bootcamp style facility where permission is given to discipline the offenders....and I dont mean physically abuse them just the odd whallop to let them know they are not going to have an easy time.

Correct them when they are young and we have a chance at correcting society !!

Also - Remove all drugs/mobile phones from prison - its not difficult to install signal jammers so a mobile phone would be useless inside the walls of a prison, Do not give prisoners access to satellite/multi channel TV ...the state broadcaster is what some of us can only afford why should they get any benefits....as for drugs in prisons - careful monitoring and extra screening (including of financial records) of staff.

Remove Gym Equipment from Prisons - if they want to work out, jog around the yard, do some press-ups etc, I don't see why we should facilitate them getting bulked up in prison it serves us no purpose.

Prison is supposed to be a punishment - some criminals have an easier life behind bars - guaranteed hot meals, a bed to sleep in every night....what more could they need.

I agree with some of your post but prison isn't supposed to be punishment. The purpose it should serve is to rehabilitate offenders so they don't offend again when they are let out. And if the hard line prison ethos you propose would prove to reduce the chance of prisoners reoffending when they get out, then I'd be all for it.

Tbh, I don't think refusing a prisoners right to do something positive like exercise would be beneficial. I'd ban television almost completely. Agree with the signal block for phones. Gangsters are running everything from their cells, it's an absolute joke. Drugs are always going to be difficult to keep out but I'm sure more could be done to stop that.

I'd introduce some sort of behavioural course that prisoners could attend which would prepare them to reintegrate themselves and function in society.