Motorway education can't come too soon.

Mr Magners

This statement was made

The poster, eh... was is your good self Samuel ? said "If someone overtakes you on the left you are in the wrong lane"

I took issue with that statement Samuel, as quite frequently I drive in the middle lane and gimps pass me on the left.

Never mentioned any overtaking lane Sammy boy

in this thread.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?threadid=2056236237

Page 4 and 5 if you want to have a look at the context

This is proof that the new Motorway education programme is so overdue. A poster who drives in the middle lane and then calls those who undertake "gimps". Undertaking is wrong, that's a given, but there are times when people are camped in the 2 overtaking lanes on a 3 lane road and you're left with no choice.

Education reinforced with cattle prods will be needed I think to change attitudes on the roads.

Voodoomelon

I think that statement was mis-understood.
I took it from what he said that the person that is being undertaken is in the wrong, which is correct.

Cookie_Monster

Mr Magners wrote: »

but there are times when people are camped in the 2 overtaking lanes on a 3 lane road and you're left with no choice.

It immeasurably easier and quicker to simply stay in lane 1 on the m50 and undertake everyone rather than merging like a yoyo these days.

it's the lesser of the two evils IMO (undertaking versus sitting in the overtaking lanes) but something needs to be done about it.

All those VMS signs should say "Keep left unless overtaking" by default if no other message is being displayed, it might be a start to getting the message through.

colm_mcm

Voodoomelon wrote: »

I think that statement was mis-understood.
I took it from what he said that the person that is being undertaken is in the wrong, which is correct.

It's the guy undertaking that will get prosecuted

Voodoomelon

They are both offences, but the hogger is who caused it.

Mr Magners

I didn't start this thread to begin another undertaking debate. I posted this to highlight the ignorance of the rules of the road that is prevalent among a large contingent of the driving population.

The original post called people who undertake "gimps" for doing so when there is an admission that the individual is driving in the middle (1st overtaking lane) lane.

MCAutocare

imo any driver who stays in the overtaking lane to avoid the hassle of moving over at merge areas is a gimp. drivers are forced to undertake not because of ignorance but because of the arrogance of drivers who think they can hold the overtaking lane as their own. these are the real GIMPS.

RandomAccess

MCAutocare wrote: »

imo any driver who stays in the overtaking lane to avoid the hassle of moving over at merge areas is a gimp ....

This alludes to part of the problem, our merge lanes need to get sorted out.
People merging onto the M50 don't notice the small blue signs which state whether their lane is merging or is joining as a lane of its own. So the majority of people merge urgently into traffic when they don't actually need to.

example 1. Northbound at the M50 toll Bridge, people barge into the traffic when they could merge more slowly as there is an additional lane there.

example 2. Northbound where the M50 joins the M1, there is a lane here which continues for many miles yet still people think it is as it used to be and they try a hard merge with traffic.

There are also some badly designed on ramps which don't allow people to get fully up to speed before the motorway. Some are short, some are uphill, they should all be somewhat standard really.

I'm not saying these are the cause off all the problems but its certainly a contributing factor.

Reloc8

Mr Magners wrote: »

but there are times when people are camped in the 2 overtaking lanes on a 3 lane road and you're left with no choice.
.

They're bad drivers. They don't have powers of mind control.

edit : unless one is Derren Brown.

opinion guy

MCAutocare wrote: »

imo any driver who stays in the overtaking lane to avoid the hassle of moving over at merge areas is a gimp. drivers are forced to undertake not because of ignorance but because of the arrogance of drivers who think they can hold the overtaking lane as their own. these are the real GIMPS.

Of course this is not helped when the state is running a TV ad telling people to pull over to overtaking lane to allow people to merge :rolleyes:

dr.quirky

Imo problem of people is not moving into overtaking lane to allow merging, its people who are staying there after allowing someone to merge. I call it basic manners.

If your trucking along 2lane motorway which is not overly busy, in left hand lane, going 110-120kmh (120 limit) and as you approach an on ramp, on which is a car, if said if coming into merging lane any where close to same spot as you, and if there is no one coming much quicker than you in overtaking lane, its good manners to pull out to make it easier/safer for person coming on to merge, once this happens , its horrendously rude to remain in overtaking lane if someone is coming from behind obviously faster. remaining there possibly forcing them to undertake or attempt something dangerous is the problem. some people think because they're doing 120-130km they have a right to stay there and if you'r going faster its your own fault and they're serving some strange brand of vigilantism by forcing you to do same speed as them.

Education of motorway drivers can not come quickly enough for me, or motorway manners if nothing else. No small miracle there are not far more fatal crashes on our motorways

barura

I don't get that "move into the overtaking lane to let merging traffic in" on motorways. You match the speed of the lane you are moving into and merge.

The fact that there is not motorway part of the test is also one of the major problems, but at least if you treat it the same way as any lane change, I cannot see how people mess this up.

Mr. Larson

barura wrote: »

I don't get that "move into the overtaking lane to let merging traffic in" on motorways. You match the speed of the lane you are moving into and merge.

The fact that there is not motorway part of the test is also one of the major problems, but at least if you treat it the same way as any lane change, I cannot see how people mess this up.

One of the recent TV advertisements encouraged this behaviour indirectly. Something along the lines of advice on when to move left that included allowing merging traffic to enter the motorway.

I find if I maintain my speed and continue in the left most lane when people are merging it invariably causes potential incidents, either by the person attempting the merge to react too late by slowing down or speeding up last minute [they are expecting me to either move away or control my speed to accomodate them]. I can see why people remove themselves from this situation by driving in the middle. I don't agree with that but I understand it. Problems all stem from a lack of understanding about how to merge and where the responsibility lies.

It's pointless trying to educate people out on the roads.

barura

I think if everyone just obeyed the 2 second rule, it would make it a lot easier for everyone involved.

Inbox

I've a pain in me ass changing lane on the M50 because of the cats eyes. Why the feck do we need cats eyes on a bright motorway.

barura

Inbox wrote: »

I've a pain in me ass changing lane on the M50 because of the cats eyes. Why the feck do we need cats eyes on a bright motorway.

Incase the lights turn off in the case of a power cut.

MCAutocare

some guy mentioned the driving test, i agree with his comment, but when i done the test i was taught that you shouldnt move into the main stream if it meant interfering with the drivers already on the main lane, this applied to national roads and dual carraigeways/motorways. i see drivers everyday coming off merge ramps or lanes and racing to get ahead of the main lane drivers and end up driving alongside them and then bullying their way onto the lane forcing drivers into the outer lane even if there are cars coming in the outer lane..

also another problem is that people have no respect for truck drivers, tailgating trucks, pulling out in front of trucks at too low speed.

ther is a good merge lane system at the longford end of mullingar where the merge lane becomes the slow lane, so you dont end up interferring with drivers already on the road.

opinion guy

MCAutocare wrote: »

also another problem is that people have no respect for truck drivers, tailgating trucks, pulling out in front of trucks at too low speed.

Truck drivers have no respect for anyone else on motorways. The number of times I trucks cut me off to spend 15 minutes passing out the other truck only going 1kph faster drives me demented. Trucks have no business in the overtaking lane. And I often see trucks tailgating each other/slipstreaming to save fuel.

To my mind there needs to be a major clamp down on this kind of stuff.

OldmanMondeo

I have been using the M50 since before the lanes where widened, I am using it more so lately, I know the rules about overtaking, but to be honest, I am passed p***sed off going from lane 1 to lane 3 just to get into work and home, I have become a idiot, I will now sit in lane 1 until I reach my exit, I will pull into lane 2 to allow people merge, but then it is back into lane 1. If I pass someone how is on my right, I do so in the knowledge that they will probably decide then to pull into lane 1 and that I will be in the wrong. I have found driving more stress free for myself and I try not to cause problems for people who wish to get into lane 1.

But yes, people need to learn how to drive on a motorway, maybe the RSA should have started the TV adds before the M50 became 3 lane.

Danbo!

A big issue is people thinking they know how to drive and pay no attention to television campaigns or roadside signs. Driving properly on a motorway is a very easy concept to understand but a difficult one to enforce and educate. "Keep left unless overtaking" doesn't make much difference to those who avoid lane 1 as they are worried it will disappear into an off ramp. And those who do obey it will sit in the auxiliary lane (not sure of the exact name, lane 0 perhaps) on the m50 and cause havok joining lane 1 at exits. I once saw on a reasonably busy but fast moving m6 eastbound, a motorist cruising along in the hard shoulder at 120km/h not a bother on them. My assumption was that somebody had told them to always keep left and took it too seriously.

Driving on the m50 makes my faith in humanity disappear and it stresses me out a lot. Those lane hoggers probably think us rule abiders are driving like assholes going from 1 to 3 and back to 1 around one car. In a perfect world the gardai could somehow enforce the rules but it is in fairness a difficult campaign to manage effectively, short of pulling over every car and educating them as to why they are in the wrong. I have a feeling signs, illuminated gantrys etc would be largely ignored.

Limerick Bandit

opinion guy wrote: »

Truck drivers have no respect for anyone else on motorways. The number of times I trucks cut me off to spend 15 minutes passing out the other truck only going 1kph faster drives me demented. Trucks have no business in the overtaking lane. And I often see trucks tailgating each other/slipstreaming to save fuel.

To my mind there needs to be a major clamp down on this kind of stuff.

You want to drive a truck don't you

corktina

opinion guy wrote: »

Truck drivers have no respect for anyone else on motorways. The number of times I trucks cut me off to spend 15 minutes passing out the other truck only going 1kph faster drives me demented. Trucks have no business in the overtaking lane. And I often see trucks tailgating each other/slipstreaming to save fuel.

To my mind there needs to be a major clamp down on this kind of stuff.

15 minutes...perleez....the truck is only 10 metres or so long at 1 km/h extra he would pass one 250 metres long in 15 mintues

alias no.9

Those adds would have served their purpose better if they had advised drivers to leave a larger gap to the car in front in order to accommodate traffic merging onto the motorway. If this meant slowing up too much, then any competent driver should assess making a move into an overtaking lane to pass the slower moving traffic without any further instruction.

Stinicker

Inbox wrote: »

I've a pain in me ass changing lane on the M50 because of the cats eyes. Why the feck do we need cats eyes on a bright motorway.

I have only driven the M50 during the day (from Kerry) is it all light up by night?

**Timbuk2**

Not sure about the M50 as I don't think I've driven it at night, but most motorways are unlit except for at junctions - so cat's eyes are essential. I don't really see how they are a problem while changing lanes?

-Corkie-

Stinicker wrote: »

I have only driven the M50 during the day (from Kerry) is it all light up by night?

Its all lit up well red cow, blanch and ballymount area anyway.

Del2005

Inbox wrote: »

I've a pain in me ass changing lane on the M50 because of the cats eyes. Why the feck do we need cats eyes on a bright motorway.

When I'm changing lanes I usually only hit 1 or 2 cats eyes. What way are you driving to hit so many?

dr.fuzzenstein

Too true, there needs to be a major shakedown on driver's ed.
The idea here is that if learner drivers are not being taught motorways and not to allow them on the motorway, they will somehow magically learn how to drive on them.
That's just insane.
When I took lessons in Germany (not from my dad, or my granny, or my dog, but from a proper, licensed instructor), part of that training was motorway driving. Along with night driving, city driving, etc...
As I was on the motorway I was told not to dawdle, let other cars join the motorway and have a really good look around before changing lanes.
And when other cars join the motorway, if the left lane is free to move over and let them join.
And, of course, move back to the right when I had completed an overtaking maneuver.
I ended up doing 160 km/h on my first trip, gotta get used to the speed. (actually, the name of my instructor was Porsche, no really).
Here the model seems to be pick a lane. Stick to it. Don't let anyone bully you from your lane. Others want to join? Not on my watch! Keep driving beside them till they run out of lane. Your phone is ringing? Immediately jerk the wheel towards the hard shoulder and park half on it and half on the LH lane.

Yes. Proper motorway instructions cannot come fast enough.
But it is already too late for thousands of people who made up their own rules in their head and stick by them to the last. And nothing anyone can say to them will change that because They Know How To Drive!

Marlow

barura wrote: »

I don't get that "move into the overtaking lane to let merging traffic in" on motorways. You match the speed of the lane you are moving into and merge.

The fact that there is not motorway part of the test is also one of the major problems, but at least if you treat it the same way as any lane change, I cannot see how people mess this up.

Simply because the people that are on the motorway don't make sure, that there is enough space for people coming from the on-ramp to merge in and don't keep their distance.

So if there isn't enough space, they should move into the center lane to allow for merging then move back.

Neither is happening though. Instead you have lane hoggers.

/M

Henry Ford III

There's plenty of dual carraigeways for learners to practice on. Apart from the lower speed limit there's little difference. I suspect a decent number of unqualified drivers use the motorway network illegally already - the licensing rules seem not to be enforced.

Undertaking is a big issue and it's caused by 2 factors imho;

1/. Poor lane discipline. Fairly self explanatory.

2/. Impatience. Following from 1/. above. It's not acceptable however to say "they forced me undertake them". They didn't.

redman

I reckon we need more dedicated traffic cops and a decent enforcement campaign purely on driving skills and rules of the road. NOT more speed checking, simply enforcing the rules and pulling people in. Combined with digital billboards, radio, TV and paper support.

They could start specifically with the stay left issue for a couple of weeks covering merging(properly this time) and not hogging the middle lane.

opinion guy

OldmanMondeo wrote: »

I have been using the M50 since before the lanes where widened, I am using it more so lately, I know the rules about overtaking, but to be honest, I am passed p***sed off going from lane 1 to lane 3 just to get into work and home, I have become a idiot, I will now sit in lane 1 until I reach my exit, I will pull into lane 2 to allow people merge, but then it is back into lane 1. If I pass someone how is on my right, I do so in the knowledge that they will probably decide then to pull into lane 1 and that I will be in the wrong. I have found driving more stress free for myself and I try not to cause problems for people who wish to get into lane 1.

But yes, people need to learn how to drive on a motorway, maybe the RSA should have started the TV adds before the M50 became 3 lane.

I usually don't drive like this but I do agree with your sentiment. It makes no sense to have some make 4 separate lane changes to get around some middle lane hugging clown. Thats worse than undertaking. Undertaking presents one moment of increased risk, the above manouver presents 4 moments of increased risk. And as you say it is stressful - reflecting your mental processing of dealing with the risk and trying to minimise it.

I think we should have US style rules where undertaking is allowed. The wider a highway gets the more it makes sense.

dr.fuzzenstein

opinion guy wrote: »

I think we should have US style rules where undertaking is allowed. The wider a highway gets the more it makes sense.

Maybe we do, since the morons sitting in the middle or RH lane will never get it through their thick skull that they should move over, either through lack of brainpower or maybe psychosis.
In the meantime, since the Traffic Corps doesn't enforce sh*t, it's pretty safe to undertake, done it millions of times, will do it million times more and all with a clear conscience and a knowledge that other than pointing a hairdrier down the road and every now and then (in good weather, of course) they will stand there waving people through (tax, insurance, graaand), those gallant heroes of the road will be queuing up at the Centra deli counter in search of breakfast roles.
Since lane hogging morons aren't being taught in the first place and enforcement of the ROTR is sketchy at best, it will simply follow that the people affected by this state apathy and total lack of enforcement will simply have to adjust their driving style accordingly.
I'm pretty sure that the numbskulls holding up the "fasht" lane are the same inbred clowns that dawdled along at 60 km/h on the old roads and they have now found out this way they can still cause havok and hold up the roads. it's a form of mental illness in my opinion, in other countries these people get treatment, here they get a driving licence.
/feels better

MCAutocare

opinion guy wrote: »

Truck drivers have no respect for anyone else on motorways. The number of times I trucks cut me off to spend 15 minutes passing out the other truck only going 1kph faster drives me demented. Trucks have no business in the overtaking lane. And I often see trucks tailgating each other/slipstreaming to save fuel.

To my mind there needs to be a major clamp down on this kind of stuff.

i hope no one seriously agrees with this comment because i think this guy must be an arrogant nob. truckers have every right to use the overtaking lane, they pay tax. a little patience maybe is what you need man(i assume ur a man). i dont think i've ever seen someone taking 15 minutes to overtake another motorist so please leave your exagerations in the toilet PLEASE.

ardmacha

i hope no one seriously agrees with this comment because i think this guy must be an arrogant nob. truckers have every right to use the overtaking lane, they pay tax.

Not so. Trucks are not permitted to use the overtaking lane where the speed limit exceed 80Kmh

I was going to post here and say that ignorance of the rules is not the problem, it is ignorance of manners. Seeing the previous post, I am not so sure that it is not both.

glic71rods46t0

MCAutocare wrote: »

i hope no one seriously agrees with this comment because i think this guy must be an arrogant nob. truckers have every right to use the overtaking lane, they pay tax. a little patience maybe is what you need man(i assume ur a man). i dont think i've ever seen someone taking 15 minutes to overtake another motorist so please leave your exagerations in the toilet PLEASE.

Your post proves the point of this thread. You need to study the rules of the road again (if you have passed your test). Truckers are not allowed to use the lane nearest the central median on a motorway - it is a penalty point offence.
Well done on proving the OP's assertion correct through ignorance:rolleyes:

DarkJager

We could do with drivers having part of their test based on a motorway with a decent stretch. Travel at at least 100km/h for no less than 60 seconds, using the correct lane for your speed. If you can't then **** off and get a bicycle.

MCAutocare

i'm not a truck driver so i dont keep up with how the rules apply to them. your saying that if a truck is behind some sap driving 40mph then they have to stay there. maybe on the dublin motorways where there is more than two lanes there would be no need to go in the outer lane.

also i'm not arguing the rules of the road, its the mentality of road users that i'm getting at. i think if a truck needs to overtake then let it happen.

Marlow

MCAutocare wrote: »

i'm not a truck driver so i dont keep up with how the rules apply to them. your saying that if a truck is behind some sap driving 40mph then they have to stay there. maybe on the dublin motorways where there is more than two lanes there would be no need to go in the outer lane.

On the motorways, trucks are not permitted in the inner lane. That will say, they can only overtake, if more than 2 lanes are in place. And yes, it's a penalty point offence.

If they get stuck behind somebody, that is slower than them, that's just tough luck in Ireland, I'm afraid.

Unfortunatly, the way the law was implemented in Ireland, is quite different, than in the UK, where the law only applies to places with 3 or more lanes.

So, yes, trucks overtaking on motorways in the Republic, where only 2 lanes exist, is illegal. Trucks in the inner lane on motorways, is illegal, too.

/M

MugMugs

Marlow wrote: »

MCAutocare wrote: »

i'm not a truck driver so i dont keep up with how the rules apply to them. your saying that if a truck is behind some sap driving 40mph then they have to stay there. maybe on the dublin motorways where there is more than two lanes there would be no need to go in the outer lane.

On the motorways, trucks are not permitted in the inner lane. That will say, they can only overtake, if more than 2 lanes are in place. And yes, it's a penalty point offence.

If they get stuck behind somebody, that is slower than them, that's just tough luck in Ireland, I'm afraid.

Unfortunatly, the way the law was implemented in Ireland, is quite different, than in the UK, where the law only applies to places with 3 or more lanes.

So, yes, trucks overtaking on motorways in the Republic, where only 2 lanes exist, is illegal. Trucks in the inner lane on motorways, is illegal, too.

/M

To be fair it doesn't look like they even know that. Every single morning I will have at least 3 trucks overtake on the M1 Drives me la la

Mint Sauce

Henry Ford III wrote: »

There's plenty of dual carraigeways for learners to practice on. Apart from the lower speed limit there's little difference. I suspect a decent number of unqualified drivers use the motorway network illegally already - the licensing rules seem not to be enforced.

Undertaking is a big issue and it's caused by 2 factors imho;

1/. Poor lane discipline. Fairly self explanatory.

2/. Impatience. Following from 1/. above. It's not acceptable however to say "they forced me undertake them". They didn't.

Not always the case. Thankfully it was part of both my lessons and test in Sligo to travel between two junctions on the N4 HQDC outside Sligo town, without those lessons I think I would have been very wary of using both DCs and Motorway for the first time.

My friend in Letterkenny was never taken on to the DC there, her test did not go within a couple of miles of it, and was shocked to hear that DC driving was part of my test in Sligo.

tobsey

barura wrote: »

I think if everyone just obeyed the 2 second rule, it would make it a lot easier for everyone involved.

until a car merges in between the two vehicles leaving a one second gap between each, which causes the newly joined car and the one behind to have to lower their speed to increase the gap again and causes a ripple effect which results in the phantom slow-downs.

the m50 is pretty much at capacity at rush hour traffic and if everyone stayed left there would be carnage. The left lane and off-ramps would be at a standstill while nutballs fly along at 120+ in the overtaking lanes.

the main problem with motorway driving is the drivers in the far right lane not leaving enough of a gap. This means nobody wants to pull in because they'll never get back to the overtaking lane when they meet a car they want to overtake. Also it means as soon as there is any sort of slowdown they all must jam on to avoid a collision which makes things worse.

Antikythera

What fcuking clowns authorised the building of a load of two-lane 'motorways'? Fkn backward country!

TheUsual

opinion guy wrote: »

Of course this is not helped when the state is running a TV ad telling people to pull over to overtaking lane to allow people to merge :rolleyes:

Because doing 100kph in the inside lane is not good driving and does not let new traffic join. Simple. A bit like you.

TheUsual

dr.quirky wrote: »

Imo problem of people is not moving into overtaking lane to allow merging, its people who are staying there after allowing someone to merge. I call it basic manners.

If your trucking along 2lane motorway which is not overly busy, in left hand lane, going 110-120kmh (120 limit) and as you approach an on ramp, on which is a car, if said if coming into merging lane any where close to same spot as you, and if there is no one coming much quicker than you in overtaking lane, its good manners to pull out to make it easier/safer for person coming on to merge, once this happens , its horrendously rude to remain in overtaking lane if someone is coming from behind obviously faster. remaining there possibly forcing them to undertake or attempt something dangerous is the problem. some people think because they're doing 120-130km they have a right to stay there and if you're going faster its your own fault and they're serving some strange brand of vigilantism by forcing you to do same speed as them.

Education of motorway drivers can not come quickly enough for me, or motorway manners if nothing else. No small miracle there are not far more fatal crashes on our motorways

See you started off being completely right and then you finished off saying the you have a right to speed.
You're not Wesley Quirke are you ?

Basic manners work both ways.

jenizzle

I'm on the M50 now in rush hour morning and evening time, and I'm fed up with it. I now stay in the 3rd lane and I won't move until I'm near my exit, otherwise I get stuck behind some fooktard bimblin' along at 70km/h in the middle lane while half the country overtakes me and it's impossible to pass him. I have become what I despise :mad:

Bruthal

TheUsual wrote: »

opinion guy wrote: »

Of course this is not helped when the state is running a TV ad telling people to pull over to overtaking lane to allow people to merge :rolleyes:

Because doing 100kph in the inside lane is not good driving and does not let new traffic join. Simple. A bit like you.

The mergers themselves add to the problem, going down the ramps and merging at 80kph or less onto a 120kph motorway. Then they wonder why they are struggling to merge.

Motorways are the subject of this thread. But many drivers in general in ireland are shockingly incompetent, in every aspect of driving, and these motorway drivers that this thread is about, would likely be less than fully competent everywhere they drive.

Its hard to believe how so many people become so lacking in the common sense dept when driving a car.

cjt156

TheUsual wrote: »

Because doing 100kph in the inside lane is not good driving and does not let new traffic join. Simple. A bit like you.

You might want to explain your logic there, fella. That statement makes no sense. Its perfectly "good driving" to do 100km/h in the inside lane. The guy merging needs to find a gap & match the speed - that's why its called merging and not get-out-of-my-way-I'm-coming-in-ing.

MugMugs

TheUsual wrote: »

Because doing 100kph in the inside lane is not good driving and does not let new traffic join. Simple. A bit like you.

There is no obligation to allow new traffic to join. The onus is on them to find a suitable place to slot in

There's also no need for that...

cjt156 wrote: »

You might want to explain your logic there, fella. That statement makes no sense. Its perfectly "good driving" to do 100km/h in the inside lane. The guy merging needs to find a gap & match the speed - that's why its called merging and not get-out-of-my-way-I'm-coming-in-ing.

In the same breath, it's only good manners to move over and let traffic in IF it is safe and legal for you to do so.

dudara

TheUsual wrote: »

Because doing 100kph in the inside lane is not good driving and does not let new traffic join. Simple. A bit like you.

?? People merging should be at or close to the speed of traffic already on the motorway. The onus is on them to merge, not for the traffic already on the motorway to let them join. You can help them merge by always leaving plenty of space between you and the surrounding cars, and if traffic is light, you can of course move temporarily into an overtaking lane.

Doing 100 kmph in the driving lane is perfectly correct.

Jimmy Bottlehead

jenizzle wrote: »

I'm on the M50 now in rush hour morning and evening time, and I'm fed up with it. I now stay in the 3rd lane and I won't move until I'm near my exit, otherwise I get stuck behind some fooktard bimblin' along at 70km/h in the middle lane while half the country overtakes me and it's impossible to pass him. I have become what I despise :mad:

It's awful.

I tried for so long to stick to the rules, drive as it should be done, and hope it'd brush off on others... but it doesn't.

Our roads are full of cretins.