Dropping out of society

TeddyTedson

Ever thought if things get too bad in your life you can always become a full fledged drug addict or alcoholic and just give up on normal life.
I find solace in the fact that if things ever got really really bad to the point where I was considering suicide I can just drop out of society.
It would be a less drastic measure than killing yourself, you'd be ending you sobriety for ever maybe though, and in a way leaving your life or rather giving up on it.
Is this illogical on my part or do others feel the same.

Ah I don't know. I think that I'd rather try and cope with my problems, but if they got too much for me, I think I'd rather kill myself and get it over with than become the kinda person who is loathed by people and is a general nuisance.


That said, i don't have the opinion that suicide is cowardly or such. I think that if anyone can end their own life by choice, especially if sober, then they've really got something to be admired for. It'd be great to have the balls to have that much control over your life. Don't think I could do it but myself, but I don't appreciate the stigma attached to it.


Someone made a good thread over in the humanities forum about what the world would be like if there were no stigma attached to suicide. Made for interesting reading.


So yeah, i'd say you're being illogical, as once you become a drug addict and opt out of civilised society, you create a whole new set of problems for yourself. You rarely see a happy drug addict, or a drug addict who's pleased with their life.

TeddyTedson

On a side note, are humans the only species on the planet to end their own lives?

pragmatic1

Many times OP, many times.

Chaotic_Forces

Problem 1: how the fu*k do you afford the alcohol or drugs if you don't work?

burrentech

Drop out, yes, alcoholism/drug addiction, no thanks.

Suicide - unless you at the point of contemplating it, you'll never know how far you'd go with it. I would say don't do it, you can come back, find someone to listen. Never go to religion, they really don't have the skills to help, and besides they have an agenda to indoctrinate you.

Hopefully this government will quickly discover that sucking up to the money men is not the way to build a sustainable society, and start with policies that actually benefit society as a whole and not just the privileged.

Hang on in there, the world is about to change

Cianos

I'd rather go travel from place to place, working on farms in the middle of nowhere or something like that.

minikin

If you're considering dropping out of society don't forget accountancy as an alternative to vagrancy/suicide.

amacca

minikin wrote: »

If you're considering dropping out of society don't forget accountancy as an alternative to vagrancy/suicide.

bravo

with a career in accountancy coming a close second no doubt?

Chaotic_Forces

minikin wrote: »

If you're considering dropping out of society don't forget accountancy as an alternative to vagrancy/suicide.

Wouldn't it go: dropping out -> suicide -> accountancy?

up for anything

My dropping out scheme consisted of joining the nuns but things, so far, have never gotten that bad.

Superbus

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gglhv-aGCag

Maybe start by becoming a new age traveler first and see how you get on.

Dravokivich

I don't want to end up a...

Guill

Drop out - No
Suicide - No
Get a grip and pull yourself through - i'd like to think i would try.


Don't forget OP that if you become an addict of any description it will have a knock on effect on your family and friends and they will have to live with your decision aswell.

Suicide is a terrible thing for a family to experience.
I have witnessed the absolute devestation it causes three times now and it is not brave act to put people you love through that horror however justified you think the act may be.

Refugee from RealLife

As a person that battled with alcoholism I can tell you it is the same as dropping out of society, as you sink further and further into it's hellish grip you begin to get shunned by society and the normality of everyday life.

The only thing is that you don't realise that you are no longer apart of society, you are existing in a parallel universe where the briefest contact with "normal society" only pushes you further into a spiral of selfharm, delusion and segregation.

It took along time sober before I felt I had returned to society so the next time you see a homeless person, an alcoholic or a junkie don't think that they have dropped out of society, society may have dropped them out by not offering a helping hand.

There are probably alot of people out there that are heading down this road and are capable, for now, of giving the impression they are functioning fine with society but if you notice something that gives the impression that they may not, then I implore you all to lend a hand, have a quiet word and most importantly be there. It is a cold and painful experience being dropped out of society and a hard, hard road back.

kfallon

TeddyTedson wrote: »

Ever thought if things get too bad in your life you can always become a full fledged drug addict or alcoholic and just give up on normal life.
I find solace in the fact that if things ever got really really bad to the point where I was considering suicide I can just drop out of society.
It would be a less drastic measure than killing yourself, you'd be ending you sobriety for ever maybe though, and in a way leaving your life or rather giving up on it.
Is this illogical on my part or do others feel the same.

Jaysus Christ, you need to get another "New Thread" ban :pac:

sbsquarepants

I think it's just you teddy.
What possible problem could you have in life that would be somehow eased or calmed by adding an addiction to it?
That's just ridiculous!

old hippy

When I drop out of the rat race, it will be to a little island to run a beach bar/grill. It will be far from the cities and the bs that passes for discourse.

Dravokivich

kfallon wrote: »

Jaysus Christ, you need to get another "New Thread" ban :pac:

No...no...no...

I find it amazing the amount of different stuff that spews outta this guy!

Sure as hell beats the rabble.

cookies221

OP, are you familiar with the term Hikikomori ?

shuyin1

TeddyTedson wrote: »

On a side note, are humans the only species on the planet to end their own lives?

Theres a bird that suicides if its mate dies, no idea what its called though

starbelgrade

I dropped out of society once for almost five years. I spent most of the time in a drugged out, drunken haze, living in really shitty accomodation, sometimes sleeping on floors of old, dirty houses, some days not even having enough money for a decent meal.

They were tough times.

But sometimes I miss my student days.

c_man

Chaotic_Forces wrote: »

Problem 1: how the fu*k do you afford the alcohol or drugs if you don't work?

Dole and other benefits I'm sure. There's a bunch of wineos off their heads every day of the week at the bus stop across the way from me managing it just fine.

voz es

I would look at the skills that you have amassed in life, spend some time learning somebody some of the positives you have gained. One is that you can write, teach a person how to write and read, plenty can not. So doing that you can feel good get some travel under you while your doing it, sorted!



I like the beach bar / grill idea too.

Chaotic_Forces

c_man wrote: »

Dole and other benefits I'm sure. There's a bunch of wineos off their heads every day of the week at the bus stop across the way from me managing it just fine.

That's just becoming a scrounger and still interacting with people.

Wouldn't the best plan be to grow/make your own drugs/alcohol?

c_man

Chaotic_Forces wrote: »

That's just becoming a scrounger and still interacting with people.

Wouldn't the best plan be to grow/make your own drugs/alcohol?

Spinning around really fast and then lying face up on the ground gives a good buzz?

mfdc

In one of Louis Theroux's shows he went to meet with a dude who lives in the middle of the forest in a house he built himself, he called him Mountain Mike. Speaking to someone else, Louis said of him that "he dropped out in the sixties, and never dropped back in". Watching it I thought he had a pretty good life and I wouldn't mind living like that myself, beats sitting at a desk 9-5 anyway. You couldn't do it in Ireland though, there's nowhere remote enough.

dlofnep

mfdc wrote: »

In one of Louis Theroux's shows he went to meet with a dude who lives in the middle of the forest in a house he built himself, he called him Mountain Mike. Speaking to someone else, Louis said of him that "he dropped out in the sixties, and never dropped back in". Watching it I thought he had a pretty good life and I wouldn't mind living like that myself, beats sitting at a desk 9-5 anyway. You couldn't do it in Ireland though, there's nowhere remote enough.

Mountain Mike is a legend! A published author too, for the 50 dollar and up house!

Anybody thinking about dropping off the radar should take a look at the film Into the Wild. Class film.

--LOS--

I wish I had the choice and didnt already have to give up on doing some normal things


jeezuz AH is sad these days

what you're saying reminds me of this schweet film though.......http://www.kiddiematinee.com/images/awfamily01.jpg

hardCopy

dlofnep wrote: »

Mountain Mike is a legend! A published author too, for the 50 dollar and up house!

Anybody thinking about dropping off the radar should take a look at the film Into the Wild. Class film.

Ha, I was just thinking that my dropout plan would be like Into The Wild, but I'd be less of a dick. :cool:

hidinginthebush

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhKla4MEstY

Mardy Bum

Cianos wrote: »

I'd rather go travel from place to place, working on farms in the middle of nowhere or something like that.

That was Chris McCandless' idea. Didn't end too well.

Tabnabs

Anyone interested in dropping out should check out Off the Grid: Life on the Mesa

Into the Wild is a pretty good illustration of how not to do it :rolleyes:

EverEvolving

Just spend a few months on the dole OP and you could very well start to feel like that! No need for the addictions or living like a tramp!

old hippy

Tabnabs wrote: »

Anyone interested in dropping out should check out Off the Grid: Life on the Mesa

Into the Wild is a pretty good illustration of how not to do it :rolleyes:

Certainly for the guy in the film. I would have stayed with the desert commune...

Screaminmidget

Id probably just kill myself tbh, I wouldnt have the patience to become an alcoholic...
Actually, if I became an alcoholic id more than likely become suicidal as well, so I might just cut out the middle man..

I still dont understand this thing that suicide is "the cowards way out". Its mostly older people I hear saying it, its a totally unfair characterisation to be making I think??

Cianos

Tabnabs wrote: »

Anyone interested in dropping out should check out Off the Grid: Life on the Mesa

Into the Wild is a pretty good illustration of how not to do it :rolleyes:

Yeah. While the guys intentions were noble and he did what he wanted to do, that film just really annoyed me. I haven't read the book so maybe it's a poor reflection, but in the film his views and ideology were not challenged once, he was the one lecturing to people, some many years his senior, with some half baked philosophy as if he were the second coming just because he decided to step out of the American upper middle class buzz and go feral for a year or two. In the end I suppose his arrogance/naivety caught up with him and in his last moments he did admit to the frailty of solitude, but t'was a long time coming.

old hippy

Cianos wrote: »

Yeah. While the guys intentions were noble and he did what he wanted to do, that film just really annoyed me. I haven't read the book so maybe it's a poor reflection, but in the film his views and ideology were not challenged once, he was the one lecturing to people, some many years his senior, with some half baked philosophy as if he were the second coming just because he decided to step out of the American upper middle class buzz and go feral for a year or two. In the end I suppose his arrogance/naivety caught up with him and in his last moments he did admit to the frailty of solitude, but t'was a long time coming.

I hear ya. At the same time, you had to admire his determination to be free.

And he got the ultimate freedom, in the end

TeddyTedson

Was the film about a guy in American who lived on a river or something?

Tabnabs

Cianos wrote: »

Yeah. While the guys intentions were noble and he did what he wanted to do, that film just really annoyed me. I haven't read the book so maybe it's a poor reflection, but in the film his views and ideology were not challenged once, he was the one lecturing to people, some many years his senior, with some half baked philosophy as if he were the second coming just because he decided to step out of the American upper middle class buzz and go feral for a year or two. In the end I suppose his arrogance/naivety caught up with him and in his last moments he did admit to the frailty of solitude, but t'was a long time coming.

A good article about him here

http://outsideonline.com/outside/features/1993/1993_into_the_wild_1.html

Tabnabs

TeddyTedson wrote: »

Was the film about a guy in American who lived on a river or something?

Huckleberry Finn?

Killer Pigeon

cookies221 wrote: »

OP, are you familiar with the term Hikikomori ?

Hmmm, so I can coin my thoughts of moving to the secluded Alaskan thundra as being a form of Hikikomori ... Interesting.

Also, I believe that there is more to life than society. I think it would be perfectly possible for people to live a secluded life away in the mountains somewhere, meditating, writing books and theorising about nature, etc..

stovelid

Just move to Longford.

themadchef

old hippy wrote: »

When I drop out of the rat race, it will be to a little island to run a beach bar/grill. It will be far from the cities and the bs that passes for discourse.

Take it from me, it eint no picnic either. Work no matter what form it takes, is still work. Ok, it might be a more aesthetically pleasing environment, you're still turning a dolla though.

Captain Darling

If i was to drop out i'd do it like the guy down the hole in the Life of Brian with the juniper bushes. Just chilling out, eating berries with my balls hanging out.

Nice.

vampire of kilmainham

Deleted User wrote: »

Ah I don't know. I think that I'd rather try and cope with my problems, but if they got too much for me, I think I'd rather kill myself and get it over with than become the kinda person who is loathed by people and is a general nuisance.


That said, i don't have the opinion that suicide is cowardly or such. I think that if anyone can end their own life by choice, especially if sober, then they've really got something to be admired for. It'd be great to have the balls to have that much control over your life. Don't think I could do it but myself, but I don't appreciate the stigma attached to it.


Someone made a good thread over in the humanities forum about what the world would be like if there were no stigma attached to suicide. Made for interesting reading.


So yeah, i'd say you're being illogical, as once you become a drug addict and opt out of civilised society, you create a whole new set of problems for yourself. You rarely see a happy drug addict, or a drug addict who's pleased with their life.

TeddyTedson wrote: »

On a side note, are humans the only species on the planet to end their own lives?

yes as far as im aware we are the only ones:eek::eek::eek:

Captain Darling

vampire of kilmainham wrote: »

yes as far as im aware we are the only ones:eek::eek::eek:

We're probably the only species that make the conscious decision to do it anyways.

goose2005

Cianos wrote: »

Yeah. While the guys intentions were noble and he did what he wanted to do, that film just really annoyed me. I haven't read the book so maybe it's a poor reflection, but in the film his views and ideology were not challenged once, he was the one lecturing to people, some many years his senior, with some half baked philosophy as if he were the second coming just because he decided to step out of the American upper middle class buzz and go feral for a year or two. In the end I suppose his arrogance/naivety caught up with him and in his last moments he did admit to the frailty of solitude, but t'was a long time coming.

He was very stupid, he went to live in the "wild" without bringing a map or learning any useful skills. He basically committed suicide.

GrizzlyMan

Into the Wild

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYlgrLbsqAg

vampire of kilmainham

shuyin1 wrote: »

Theres a bird that suicides if its mate dies, no idea what its called though

its a magpie they have the same mate for life and if one of them dies the other retreats into recluseivness and dosent eat or drink and eventually pines away and dies...