Limerick City Forum Feedback Thread.

Insect Overlord

Nope, not a late April Fool's Joke.

I wasn't expecting it to take 3 months, but, since the feedback thread earlier this year we've been working towards updating the charter to reflect how this forum (and, indeed, the whole website) has changed since 2004.

Not much will be changing. The same guidelines/rules/expectations still apply. The charter will just be laid out a bit differently, with more helpful links and a few re-affirmations of what we'd all like to see here.

Hopefully this time the structures and procedures will be a bit clearer to posters (both new and experienced), more informative, and more open to communication between posters and moderators. Less didactic, more common-sense.

The plan is to re-introduce a stickied forum-feedback thread as well, for real-time updates from posters. ( I'll probably just be lazy and sticky this thread. :pac: ) The options of reporting posts/ PM'ing a mod will still be available, and encouraged. Not every small incident will require large-scale feedback.

I should be posting everything up here sometime on Tuesday. If anyone has any last-minute queries/suggestions, post here or PM me.

Insect Overlord

Thunderbirds are go!

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056236733

The main points are in the OP. Some of them are developed with links to the site guidelines and the FAQ. Others are explained in further detail from posts #2 to #5.

We'll be keeping this thread open for feedback, both positive and negative. As I said above, PMs and reporting posts are also fine for contacting the mods. I prefer to act as a facilitator here as much as possible, not as an enforcer.

Insect Overlord

"Upsetting Situation" thread removed for a while until I can clean it up. Some posts there over-stepped the line. I'll try to have it open again with 24 hours.

Insect Overlord

Based on advice from the guys who keep this site working (Dav, Conor and Ross, to be precise) we'll be making a few changes to the front page of the forum in the near future.

We currently have 7 sticky threads. That will have to be cut back down to 3, including the Charter. The remaining threads will be compiled in one post with links to make sure they're still easily accessible.

Which 2 of the remaining six should we sticky? I'd like to keep this thread and the Random Waffle thread sticky as well, but I'd like to get a bit of feedback first.

Over to you.

sioda

Gonna ask the obvious question why do we have remove the stickys?
I mean the food thread has kept where do i eat threads out of the main page. The stuff to do page is essential imo.

Insect Overlord

You'll hate me for it, but I can't tell you why yet.

It's probably going to be at least a month or so before we have to change anything though. Very early days yet. The limit of three stickies is still being debated behind the scenes. The change is going to apply to every forum, not just this one. With that in mind, it could happen that a higher limit will be asked for before anything changes.

sioda

conspiracy rabble rabble
well i suppose stuff to do the food thread and local websites could be combined.
Four would be a better limit

Insect Overlord

sioda wrote: »

Four would be a better limit

I agree with you there!

I might have a word with Mr E about how he managed the Restaurants thread. It might be easier to re-arrange if I could tidy it up the way he used to.

Things To Do In... probably needs updating as well.

Irish Wolf

Just a quick question on this particular thread, IO - has it not been locked aside from the update you made re the "Upsetting Situation" thread until this evening?

Just wondering, if it has, then I don't really see a point of a feedback thread when no-one can post in it, and the need to keep it as a sticky? If not, my apologies. Or is the purpose to open it when the mods want feedback from the users?

I guess a few of the current stickies could be combined into a general "Entertainment" thread - if you ask posters to maybe add a category suggestion to their post (e.g. restaurants/stuff to do/links/bargains) and maintain 3/4 posts on the opening page for each category?

Hey - feedback!

Insect Overlord

Irish Wolf wrote: »

Just a quick question on this particular thread, IO - has it not been locked aside from the update you made re the "Upsetting Situation" thread until this evening?

Just wondering, if it has, then I don't really see a point of a feedback thread when no-one can post in it, and the need to keep it as a sticky? If not, my apologies. Or is the purpose to open it when the mods want feedback from the users?

Nope, this thread has been open since the night I first posted it. It was sitting right next to the Charter, which is locked, until I bumped it. Maybe the padlock next to the charter thread was causing confusion?

Irish Wolf wrote: »

I guess a few of the current stickies could be combined into a general "Entertainment" thread - if you ask posters to maybe add a category suggestion to their post (e.g. restaurants/stuff to do/links/bargains) and maintain 3/4 posts on the opening page for each category?

Hey - feedback!

That's a possibility. I'd say I'll have to think this one through a fair bit! All suggestions are welcome though.

sioda

Plus there would have to be accounting for temporary stickies eg one for outbreak around its time.

Thus is is x amount of permanent plus the option of one or two temporary

Insect Overlord

sioda wrote: »

Plus there would have to be accounting for temporary stickies eg one for outbreak around its time.

That's true alright. I'll mention it in the Mods Forum. Like I said above, we could be I'd say the solution to that would be greater use of the "Announcement" function. It'd be a great way to highlight events that don't require permanent sticky threads.

sioda wrote: »

Thus is is x amount of permanent plus the option of one or two temporary

I'll quote Dav's advice:

I'd say 3 is plenty so if you had Charter and maybe an index of useful threads you still have room for one more.

Needless to say, not everyone is agreeing with this. We'll find a way of working with whatever we get, and finding out what suits users here will help with that.

zuroph

psssh, use how many you like, and when they eventually notice THEN change it for a while, then change back when they're not looking!

jonski

This is harder than Sophie's Choice

Mc Love

Ok keep the Charter and this thread - thats two with one space left. Obviously the waffle thread can possibly stay.

In the Charter one, would it be possible to add in a post to it with links to the bargain alerts/restaurant/local limerick sites/stuff threads?

Insect Overlord

Mc Love wrote: »

In the Charter one, would it be possible to add in a post to it with links to the bargain alerts/restaurant/local limerick sites/stuff threads?

That's the plan, definitely. Might make a new one for mechanics as well!

Mc Love

Ha ha definitely! Would there be much point in changing the title of forum to Limerick City and environs as many people from the 'burbs post here.

Insect Overlord

I don't have the power to do that...

Some day, maybe!

Mc Love

Well you are in a better position to make suggestions than I

Insect Overlord

Either that, or I start moving every Dooradoyle/Raheen/Castletroy thread over to Limerick County... >_>

:pac:

Mc Love

you could do that

Irish Wolf

Insect Overlord wrote: »

Nope, this thread has been open since the night I first posted it.

Welp, so much for specsavers giving me the 20/20, I knew my eyes would catch up eventually with my age!

Speaking of seeing things, what happened to the "arrested again" thread? Was looking forward to having a read of that when I got home from work.

Insect Overlord

I'll have a more concise answer for you soon (the guys in the office are waiting for the legal team to come back with exact information) and I'll update the Charter with it, but for now this post explains the disappearance of the "Arrested Again" thread. It's complicated, but unfortunately we (the mods) have been asked to implement it all over the site:

Dav wrote: »

Hello all,

This one's very important. You may have seen recently that a court case in Clare regarding a GP who's accused of defrauding families collapsed because of something published in the Times and the Examiner. They're likely to have to foot the bill for the entire trial - the judge hasn't decided but concedes that they didn't act out of malice and that as it was unintentional, it's Technical Contempt.

This is something we have, I believe, discussed before, but with this recent news and an emerging trend of defence teams increasingly looking for these sorts of issues to collapse trials, we are making it clear and stated policy of Boards.ie that you can no longer discuss an active/sitting court case as pretty much any sort of commentary on the issue can be classified as contempt. Offering opinion on the innocence or guilt of the parties involved for example is a definite no-no.

This is simply too big a risk to determine where the "safe" levels of discussion are, so it's easier to make a blanket ban on current case discussion.

This comes from the top - the directors of the company can be jailed for contempt on the whims of a judge who feels they deserve it and given the Irish Legal System's complete inability to work with (never mind understand) the Internet and all that it entails, I'd really rather not have to try and talk to DeVore at visiting hours in the 'Joy

So effective immediately, current court cases are a no-no. This, I'm afraid folks, isn't up for debate. We don't like "issuing" rules like this without some manner of discussion but I'm afraid that's not an option in this case.

Thank you for your time.

Edit: explained in greater detail in this After Hours thread.

Irish Wolf

Aye, thought it might be along those lines...

[omar]fair 'nuf[/omar]

Insect Overlord

I've added the following list of popular, useful and/or regular-topic threads to the Local Websites thread. A few of our stickies are getting unstuck. The "Today's Cheapest Petrol" thread was unstuck last year and still shows up regularly, so it would be great if posters could keep bumping up the regular threads to the front page whenever they have new info.

Useful/popular threads:
Restaurants & Take-away Thread
Today's Cheapest Petrol thread.
Need a job. (job vacancy alerts)
Stuff To Do In Limerick
Forum Feedback
Random Waffle Thread (for chat & general discussion)
Bargain Alerts
Images From Limerick
Where Am I? (local pictures game thread)
Limerick FC (for local soccer)

This thread can also be accessed from links in the Charter thread.

sioda

still think a limit of three is to low

Insect Overlord

We're trying to make the site more mobile browser-friendly. An updated Boards Mobile is coming in the next few months. Early tests are showing problems when there's a fourth (or higher) sticky thread at the top of a forum. I don't know if that's supposed to be a secret or not, but it's the reason behind the change.

Jigga

Insect Overlord wrote: »

I've added the following list of popular, useful and/or regular-topic threads to the Local Websites thread. A few of our stickies are getting unstuck. The "Today's Cheapest Petrol" thread was unstuck last year and still shows up regularly, so it would be great if posters could keep bumping up the regular threads to the front page whenever they have new info.

Useful/popular threads:
Restaurants & Take-away Thread
Today's Cheapest Petrol thread.
Stuff To Do In Limerick
Forum Feedback
Random Waffle Thread (for chat & general discussion)
Bargain Alerts
Images From Limerick
Where Am I? (local pictures game thread)
Limerick FC (for local soccer)

This thread can also be accessed from links in the Charter thread.

How about adding the Need a Job? thread to the above?

Insect Overlord

I've removed the thread about Sunday's crash at Punch's Cross.

Charter breaches: inappropriate language; back-seat modding; general incivility.

Personal abuse is not tolerated here, no matter who it's aimed at. Keep that in mind when I re-open the thread later.

Icky Thump

why was the thread about the gardai ignoring a call closed??? obviously its a major issue which is ignored by someone with more power than brain cells.


the mods in the limerick forum are way too inconsistant. they shut everything they personally dont agree with.

i would name a certain mod who thinks he is a journo but that would be unfair. but he needs to cop on and stop thinking about his own views and start modding proper


and yes this is a limerick issue as its a local forum issue

is this something im paranoid about or is this a widespread issue???

please dont mention mod names as this is a not a thread to attack mods its a thread about the standard of modding here.

please no personal attacks

FR.Ted Crilly

Yes you have got balls my good man, the problem is there are to many moderators with self intrest on this site, if the mods can go do what they like its a pointless exercise for all who participate with posting and who mod ethically another words i agree. :pac:

seanybiker

On the site overall there are 2 mods I can think of that like the little power. To be honest your better off just ignoring it until they cop on that they are just the same as any user

FISMA

This problem is not unique to the Limerick City forum, it occurs in others as well.

As far as I can see, there is a conflict of interest: mods can post and mods can mod.

I think there would be less confusion if mods moderated without posting.

Mods that actively post are a lot like a printing press that takes on the duty of censor - a dangerous combo.

Mc Love

I think they do a fair job, and there has been a good balance the last few months, with mods on here taking suggestions, ideas from posters in the Limerick City forum.

I think the thread the OP was referring to was an old (zombie) thread and its probably why it was closed.

talkingclock

IBTL

Aidric

Mc Love wrote: »

I think the thread the OP was referring to was an old (zombie) thread and its probably why it was closed.

This was one of the biggest gripes from users about the old mod. Despite indications to the contrary the new moderators are just as bad.

If a thread is still relevant it shouldn't be locked, despite its age.

Insect Overlord

Icky Thump wrote: »

why was the thread about the gardai ignoring a call closed??? obviously its a major issue which is ignored by someone with more power than brain cells.

If you start a thread like this again I will have no problem giving you a nice long holiday from the forum. There's a Feedback thread here for a reason. I've merged yours into it. In any other circumstance you'd have picked up a red card for back-seat modding, and another for personal abuse.

Icky Thump wrote: »

the mods in the limerick forum are way too inconsistant. they shut everything they personally dont agree with.

No, we don't. We close threads when they breach charter rules, or when they deliberately fly against the spirit of the forum.

Icky Thump wrote: »

i would name a certain mod who thinks he is a journo but that would be unfair. but he needs to cop on and stop thinking about his own views and start modding proper

You made this same accusation in a Help Desk thread last year. You were wrong then, and you're wrong now. One of our former mods studied journalism, but he has nothing at all to do with this. Get your facts straight before you post, because at this stage you're embarrassing yourself.

Icky Thump wrote: »

and yes this is a limerick issue as its a local forum issue

is this something im paranoid about or is this a widespread issue???

It's your issue, not mine. I have no problem with Limerick issues being discussed here when it's done appropriately.

Icky Thump wrote: »

please dont mention mod names as this is a not a thread to attack mods its a thread about the standard of modding here.

please no personal attacks

No personal attacks? No identifying mods? You've failed on both counts.

Like I said above, use this Feedback thread in future. If you want to talk to a mod privately about your concerns, send a PM.

Insect Overlord

FR.Ted Crilly wrote: »

Yes you have got balls my good man, the problem is there are to many moderators with self intrest on this site, if the mods can go do what they like its a pointless exercise for all who participate with posting and who mod ethically another words i agree. :pac:

seanybiker wrote: »

On the site overall there are 2 mods I can think of that like the little power. To be honest your better off just ignoring it until they cop on that they are just the same as any user

I know I'm the same as any other user, with one exception. I've been given a few extra tools to help maintain this forum so that posters can enjoy it.

Dragging up old threads to prove a personal point might entertain one poster, but it's not going to be of benefit to the wider user-base.

Insect Overlord

FISMA wrote: »

This problem is not unique to the Limerick City forum, it occurs in others as well.

As far as I can see, there is a conflict of interest: mods can post and mods can mod.

I think there would be less confusion if mods moderated without posting.

Mods that actively post are a lot like a printing press that takes on the duty of censor - a dangerous combo.

If you'd like me to stop posting, you're going to be very disappointed. There are roughly 550 moderators volunteering to help out here in our own free time. We all started out as regular posters. We like to chat, to debate, to have fun, just like anyone else. The last thing we want to do is censor anybody. That would be counter-productive.

Aidric wrote: »

This was one of the biggest gripes from users about the old mod. Despite indications to the contrary the new moderators are just as bad.

If a thread is still relevant it shouldn't be locked, despite its age.

Are you suggesting there should be one rule for Raiser and one for everyone else?

Icky Thump

there is n old thread over in the fashion and appearance forum that is titled "mens flared jeans......help" now this thread is about the op looking for flared jeans(spoiler alert:D). now this thread is also going back awhile and hasnt been used in awhile. i posted on it yesterday. nothing happend to the thread and noone replied but the point is the subject was still relevant.

why start a new thread on the exact same topic. the problem is starting a new thread every time its sunny out means we say the exact same thing every time and the threads start repeating themselves.

as i said im not doing this to attack anyone personally or to start a witch hunt. alot of you will have an idea which lad we are referring to but it would be unfair to name him as he is just doing his job(that he gives his time to do for free). this thread is to highlight the growing unrest around here when it comes to modding.

the modding has gotten better yes but it is in no way good. im sorry but when even local events are being deleted just because a charity may be involved.

if this forum is only allowing people to post certain issues then why not clarify that once and for all and the people that come here to post other relevant issues can go elsewhere.

if anyone has any reasons why they think the modding is god or bad please post them here. i have made this issue known on the dispute resolution forum so the mods will be watching.

Icky Thump

Insect Overlord wrote: »

If you start a thread like this again I will have no problem giving you a nice long holiday from the forum. There's a Feedback thread here for a reason. I've merged yours into it. In any other circumstance you'd have picked up a red card for back-seat modding, and another for personal abuse.

i didnt think using the feedback thread would suffice as alot of people dont use it. i wanted more people to see it and aparantrly im not the only one here that feels this way. coincidence????

as for the red card fair enough if you think i deserve it.

i didnt however backseat mod anything. actually i cant think of anything that could be mistaken for backseat modding

Insect Overlord wrote: »

No, we don't. We close threads when they breach charter rules, or when they deliberately fly against the spirit of the forum.

you mean threads that stay on topic??? that are relevant to the forum???

Insect Overlord wrote: »

You made this same accusation in a Help Desk thread last year. You were wrong then, and you're wrong now. One of our former mods studied journalism, but he has nothing at all to do with this. Get your facts straight before you post, because at this stage you're embarrassing yourself.

am i embarrassing myself?? aparantrly im not the only one here that feels this way. coincidence????

Insect Overlord wrote: »

It's your issue, not mine. I have no problem with Limerick issues being discussed here when it's done appropriately.

its a limerick issue and not just mine. i feel like im repeating myself somehow. aparantrly im not the only one here that feels this way. coincidence????

Insect Overlord wrote: »

No personal attacks? No identifying mods? You've failed on both counts.

Like I said above, use this Feedback thread in future. If you want to talk to a mod privately about your concerns, send a PM.

where did i mention anyones name. i have not stated any mods name because it would be inappropriate.

where was the personal attack??? i gave an idea who the mod was but im sure every poster on here knows exactly which mod as everyone seems to have the same view.....................aparantrly im not the only one here that feels this way. coincidence????





i think the main problem sees to be nobody knows if a mod is wearing the mod hat when posting. as for the thread that was closed you know as well as anyone else the post was relevant.

any others questions feel free to respond. i dont mean to sound like a jerk i was just trying to see if i was being paranoid. kinda nice to see i wasnt

talkingclock

ah please... we all know what reputation boards.ie mods have and where this forum has gone with all the over-PC'ness...

roast

This doesn't appear to be a feedback thread.
Sorry to butt my nose in, but it seems to be just a few users who are looking for a personal spat between themselves and the moderators. Perhaps take it to PM, quit being vigilantes, and stop disputing the moderators. Its not like you have a god-given right to post here.


Anyway, my feedback - How about organizing a night out for all the Limerick boardsies? Could be a decent bit of craic, and an opportunity for a fundraiser, mayhaps?

Icky Thump

roast wrote: »

This doesn't appear to be a feedback thread.
Sorry to butt my nose in, but it seems to be just a few users who are looking for a personal spat between themselves and the moderators. Perhaps take it to PM, quit being vigilantes, and stop disputing the moderators. Its not like you have a god-given right to post here.


Anyway, my feedback - How about organizing a night out for all the Limerick boardsies? Could be a decent bit of craic, and an opportunity for a fundraiser, mayhaps?

we are ot being vigilantes. we are annoyed that threads are closed on a wim.we are concerned that just because a thread doesnt suit the ethos of a mods personal feelings then it will be shut.

i didnt think it was feedback myself which is why it was started in a thread to see if this was a widespread issue which it seems to be.

its fair enough if you think there is no issue. in fact i would prefer if there was more people saying there wasnt an issue so it wouldnt seem so one sided. the last thing i want to do is seem like we are ganging up on anyone because it really wouldnt be fair.

by taking it to PM you run the risk of anything can be said and action can be taken secretly. at least airing the laundry in public everyone can see exactly what everyone else is posting.

as for the god given right to post. maybe not. but without posters where is the forum??

its nice to see adverts are on here. it means that it keeps the site alive. but without posters there would be no adverts.

to be fair i dont want the mods to be changed. thats not what im asking for. all im asking is for more transperacy. more leniency and just a bit more common sense when it comes to dealing with old threads.

thank you for your input on the matter though

Kess73

Insect Overlord wrote: »

If you'd like me to stop posting, you're going to be very disappointed. There are roughly 550 moderators volunteering to help out here in our own free time. We all started out as regular posters. We like to chat, to debate, to have fun, just like anyone else. The last thing we want to do is censor anybody. That would be counter-productive.



Are you suggesting there should be one rule for Raiser and one for everyone else?

You replied to a post earlier where the poster said he was not naming any mods saying he had failed in that intent, but just two posts later you yourself go ahead and name a single poster, singling him out.

Surely it is a bit rich to react to one guy who said something that did not leave much doubt, imho,it obvious as to who was meant by it, and then
go and single out another poster who you made comment about in the last 24 hours?

If you did not like the way the first post was done, then you should not have singled out a poster yourself in your own post.

My next comment is not a dig at you as I have not had the same kind of interaction with you in your role of mod as the person I am going to comment on, but in terms of feedback to the mods/admins I would like to pay compliment to Clareman in his role as a mod in this forum. A few times I have questioned his closing of a thread (by PM) and he has always been good enough to listen to any arguement as to why the locked thread should be reopened. He is also great for giving his reasons by PM and will change his decision if the arguement is a valid one.


In terms of finding fault with the modding as a whole for the forum, the main problem I have is inconsistency and this is not a new thing. I just think that what is worth a yellow card one day is seen as not being any kind of offence the next day and that in itself can be a little frustrating.

Also the locking of threads with the excuse that the issue is a national one when the incident/issue being discussed happened in Limerick is a bit of a cop out when it gets done.I'm not on about the police thread but there have been a few locked threads in recent months that were locked for this reason and the advice given was to take it to After Hours. Now why anyone would take anything that happened in Limerick to After Hours to discuss is beyond me.

I do appreciate that modding can be a pain in the bum to do, and that it can be a thankless no win role at times, but not every complaining poster is out to cause hassle for a mod.

Kess73

talkingclock wrote: »

ah please... we all know what reputation boards.ie mods have and where this forum has gone with all the over-PC'ness...

What reputation are you talking about with regards to mods on Boards? I ask because for the most part across Boards the mods do a good job in my eyes.


As for things being overly PC in the Limerick city forum, well I think there is some truth there and I say that based on what the mods in forums like the Cork city and Galway city say can legally be said compared with what we are told can be said in the Limerick city forum.

The same law of the land applies across boards in terms of what can be said and what cannot be said, and if the admins tell the mods in those forums that certain things can legally be said then the same should apply in the Limerick forum.

Now this may not be done to the Limerick mods as they may be getting told stuff when they ask and the other mods may get different answers when they ask.

Insect Overlord

Icky Thump wrote: »

i didnt think using the feedback thread would suffice as alot of people dont use it. i wanted more people to see it and aparantrly im not the only one here that feels this way. coincidence????

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am i embarrassing myself?? aparantrly im not the only one here that feels this way. coincidence????

...
its a limerick issue and not just mine. i feel like im repeating myself somehow. aparantrly im not the only one here that feels this way. coincidence????

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where was the personal attack??? i gave an idea who the mod was but im sure every poster on here knows exactly which mod as everyone seems to have the same view.....................aparantrly im not the only one here that feels this way. coincidence????

You certainly are repeating yourself! Quite a lot. "More power than brain-cells", by the way, was the abuse that you didn't need to post.

So far four people have agreed with you.
Three of them have 24 posts between them on the forum. Not exactly regular posters here. I prefer to take feedback on this forum from people who actually use it.

One regular poster has agreed with you in part. Make of that what you will.

Icky Thump wrote: »

as for the red card fair enough if you think i deserve it.

i didnt however backseat mod anything. actually i cant think of anything that could be mistaken for backseat modding

You started a thread about moderation on the forum. That's back-seat modding. You're making up rules to suite yourself.

Have a quick read of the Charter. I'm perfectly happy to discuss the running of this forum. That can be done in this thread, or via PM. It's a very simple system, but you chose to ignore it.

Icky Thump wrote: »

you mean threads that stay on topic??? that are relevant to the forum???

On topic? Yes. Zombie-thread? Also yes.

Icky Thump wrote: »

where did i mention anyones name. i have not stated any mods name because it would be inappropriate.

I'll quote you again:

Icky Thump wrote: »

i would name a certain mod who thinks he is a journo but that would be unfair. but he needs to cop on and stop thinking about his own views and start modding proper

Moving on...

Icky Thump wrote: »

i think the main problem sees to be nobody knows if a mod is wearing the mod hat when posting.

I always make it clear when I'm posting as a mod. If you're ever unsure of my position, send me a quick PM and I'll tell you. That's what the function is there for. More communication => less misunderstanding.

Insect Overlord

Kess73 wrote: »

You replied to a post earlier where the poster said he was not naming any mods saying he had failed in that intent, but just two posts later you yourself go ahead and name a single poster, singling him out.

Surely it is a bit rich to react to one guy who said something that did not leave much doubt, imho,it obvious as to who was meant by it, and then
go and single out another poster who you made comment about in the last 24 hours?

If you did not like the way the first post was done, then you should not have singled out a poster yourself in your own post.

Icky Thump closed his OP by saying not to name names. I was pointing out the irony/hypocrisy of his attempt to identify a particular mod in the same post. If IT wasn't going to play by his own rules, then there was little point in entertaining them myself.

Kess73 wrote: »

My next comment is not a dig at you as I have not had the same kind of interaction with you in your role of mod as the person I am going to comment on, but in terms of feedback to the mods/admins I would like to pay compliment to Clareman in his role as a mod in this forum. A few times I have questioned his closing of a thread (by PM) and he has always been good enough to listen to any arguement as to why the locked thread should be reopened. He is also great for giving his reasons by PM and will change his decision if the arguement is a valid one.

No arguments with you there. Clareman is a top moderator.

I'd hope that people realise they can PM me as well. For some reason Icky Thump doesn't trust the PM system, so he started his ill-advised thread instead. I don't know why he thought that was a good idea. I've always tried to make myself as approachable as possible in this forum.

Kess73 wrote: »

In terms of finding fault with the modding as a whole for the forum, the main problem I have is inconsistency and this is not a new thing. I just think that what is worth a yellow card one day is seen as not being any kind of offence the next day and that in itself can be a little frustrating.

I take numerous things into context when giving a card. A combination of different things can result in a yellow/red card. It's not an exact science.

Kess73 wrote: »

Also the locking of threads with the excuse that the issue is a national one when the incident/issue being discussed happened in Limerick is a bit of a cop out when it gets done.I'm not on about the police thread but there have been a few locked threads in recent months that were locked for this reason and the advice given was to take it to After Hours. Now why anyone would take anything that happened in Limerick to After Hours to discuss is beyond me.

Do you mean the Xtra-Vision thread? I can't think of any others that were closed with a similar message.

kilburn

Well for what it is worth , here is my 2 cents worth.

I think that there is alot of inconsistency between the mods on boards.ie but I have not had this problem in the Limerick forum.

Clareman is a great mod very open to discuss his decisions and participates also.

Insect Overlord the same as far as I go always willling to discuss and engage with you, very helpful if you pm with a request.

Outside the limerick forum is where I had problems, something you could pm IO about or Clareman before you posted it was fine, no problem work away but other mods are very unhelpful.

The issue here though seems to be personality clashes more than anything, but i fully expect to be savaged for my opinion, which is unique to the limerick forum.

Icky Thump

@ Overlord

im not going to go through your post and point out anything anymore as id prefer to try to keep it civil. yea prehaps the "brain cells" quipe could have been done without as this is a serious issue. maybe you dont feel it is. maybe everyone on here doesnt feel it is. and that is fair enough. that is what i wanted to see. afterall why cause hassle if its something only a small minority of "Not exactly regular posters" who feel this way. (by the way there was only one poster who had very little posts. but maybe you know something i dont)

do you not agree it would be worse to start a new thread on the same topic every day??

how long does a thread take to become a zombie thread?? if someone doesnt post for a month is it a zombie thread?? how about a week. a day. maybe an hour. im not trying to be an ass im just saying that just because someone hasnt posted in awhile why should it be considered a dead issue.

there has been people supporting what i am saying yes. whether they are regular posters or not everyone should be treated the same and listened to the same. afterall you did say there shouldnt be one rule for one and another rule for another(i edited that quote as im sticking to not naming names. again not trying to be a stickler mate).

people havent really been posting here this morning though so give it time im sure ill have even more support. by the way i have also recieved a couple of pms on the matter. people will not speak out in fear of a red card.

again i really have to ask your definition of back seat modding?? im sorry but even charter-wise. i just dont understand how i have back seat modded. i started a thread asking if im the only one who feels this way. it was an issue about the limerick forum. it transpires it is also an issue in a couple of others. im noit saying your bad or any other mod is bad. really believe it or not im not personally out to incite anything here.

as was pointed out your the only one who named anybody. i gave a description to see if we where talking about the same person.

also i understand you are a volunteer and you give your time to this. but nobody is forcing you(or any other mod) to do it. i have friends who work in bars, friends who do telesales, friends who work in call centres. at the end of the day if you dont like dealing with the customers then dont do it.

its a bad attitude to say you dont care about feedback from so called not regular users. at the end of the day they are still users.

and yes i repeated myself in the other post. emphasis.

Kess73

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I'd hope that people realise they can PM me as well. For some reason Icky Thump doesn't trust the PM system, so he started his ill-advised thread instead. I don't know why he thought that was a good idea. I've always tried to make myself as approachable as possible in this forum.

Well as I said I did not mean it as a dig or comment towards yourself as I am pretty sure I have not debated the closure of any thread by your hand with you, and as such I cannot criticize or praise you on it. I would just providing some feedback on the mod I have had dealings with and if I am to point out any negatives I see on the forum, then it is only right I point out the positives as well and I see him as a positive for the forum.

I take numerous things into context when giving a card. A combination of different things can result in a yellow/red card. It's not an exact science.

Again I did not mean just you in this. I was talking about the modding as a whole and taking in everyone who had modded in this forum over the last 12 months.

As for it not being an exact science, well of course not, but sometimes things get said by one person that seem to be worthy of a card as one gets given yet the same comment could be made another day by a different poster with no punishment. Now if the offence was worthy of a card one day then it has to be worthy the next day and it not being an exact science plays no part in that, it is done to consistency amongst the mods as a group.

For example if I decide to call another poster a jack off today during a heated debate over the merits of brown shoelaces and I don't get a card for it despite a mod being online, then how can a mod come along and give me a card the next time I call somebody else a jack off?

Do you mean the Xtra-Vision thread? I can't think of any others that were closed with a similar message

Nope I did not mean the Xtravision thread, but let's use that anyway. It involved the closure of a Limerick store meaning some Limerick jobs would be lost. I see no reason why such a thing cannot be discussed here, otherwise the discussion of any store closure that has branches elsewhere should not be allowed as it would also be a nationwide issue rather than a Limerick one. I just think that anything like that which has a direct impact in any way upon Limerick should be open to discussion here in the Limerick city forum.

I mean if Brown Thomas announced in the morning it was shutting all of it's stores, we cannot discuss it hear in the Limerick thread as it is a nationwide thing if we follow the logic of the Xtravision thread and a few older threads.

If it affects Limerick then it should be a topic that can be discussed here if people want to.


A good mod, for me, is the one who gives me a yellow card when I deserve one, but who has the guile to pm me and give me the chance to avoid that card.

A good poster, imho, is the one that sticks by his convictions in debate, even if that is not the more popular opinion, but who knows how to take mod advice when it is given.