Racism Is Alive And Well In Midleton

wispyman

Opened my front door today and was confronted with this:



While I have no interest or love for the British monarchy I found the racist undertones quite distasteful. I thought this stuff mostly went on north of the border these days.

mikemac

Political statement, no racism there

You forgot the smilie from your post as I know you can't be serious
Cork knows more about the Black & Tans then most of Ireland

line6

are they referring to liz or norris?

dave1982

line6 wrote: »

are they referring to liz or norris?

Now thats homophobic:D:D:D:D:D

jhegarty

Do you know what racism is ?

wandatowell

Its only caucasian queens we allow in Midleton

Cant stand those black ones

dave1982

They made a balls of the sign anyway i read it NO NO BLACK TAN QUEEN??

wispyman

jhegarty wrote: »

Do you know what racism is ?

Prejudice based on nationality or race. I assume that the Swedish queen would not get the same welcome. Like I say I am not in the least interested in the monarchy. The guards had the sign taken down in a matter of hours from what I understand.

jhegarty

wispyman wrote: »

Prejudice based on nationality or race. I assume that the Swedish queen would not get the same welcome. Like I say I am not in the least interested in the monarchy. The guards had the sign taken down in a matter of hours from what I understand.

It's because she is the queen people don't want her, not because of her race.

Someone who is racist wouldn't want any English people here.

Where the people who didn't want Bush to visit racist ?

wandatowell

Wrongly titled threads alive and well in the cork city forum


In fairness they put it in a stupid location too, if they really wanted to make a point they should have put it on the fly over or something, you know........where a decent volume of people would actually see it


Idiots

wispyman

jhegarty wrote: »

It's because she is the queen people don't want her, not because of her race.

Someone who is racist wouldn't want any English people here.

Where the people who didn't want Bush to visit racist ?

Well Bush has pro-actively annoyed a hell of a lot of people in recent times so it would hardly be a surprise that people got upset. The British queen is a decorative ornament that is about as political as Jedward!!

I would have to ask the person who erected the sign as to how far reaching his/her motives extend.

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5

It's that second no that gets me. Really makes it.

Dudess

Idiots will be idiots - don't get how that indicates "racism is alive and well in Midleton".

wispyman

Dudess wrote: »

Idiots will be idiots - don't get how that indicates "racism is alive and well in Midleton".

Well in my view the "black and tan" bit is a swipe at Brits - but maybe that's just me. All I can say is it was offensive to me - I cannot speak for other people.

aphex™

Racism thread FAIL.

wispyman wrote: »

Well in my view the "black and tan" bit is a swipe at Brits

Do you even know who the black and tans were?

wispyman

aphex™ wrote: »

Racism thread FAIL.


Do you even know who the black and tans were?

I feel how I feel. If you all feel that I'm wrong fine but don't lecture me on how it felt to me.

im invisible

QUOTE
Its only caucasian queens we allow in Midleton

Cant stand those black ones

Ardennes1944

burning of cork? if it offended you then you must surely be english and if so, shhh about signs we can do what we like in this country nowadays you know. if your not english then...why are you offended? its very hard to reply to such a retarded thread without getting infracted!

aphex™

wispyman wrote: »

I feel how I feel. If you all feel that I'm wrong fine but don't lecture me on how it felt to me.

I think you need to google black and tans. How the fúck do you think people felt when the black and tans arrived in Ireland?

wispyman

Deutschlandfürimmer7 wrote: »

burning of cork? if it offended you then you must surely be english and if so, shhh about signs we can do what we like in this country nowadays you know. if your not english then...why are you offended? its very hard to reply to such a retarded thread without getting infracted!

Here we go - the trolls rise up out of the gutter.

wispyman

aphex™ wrote: »

I think you need to google black and tans. How the fúck do you think people felt when the black and tans arrived in Ireland?

Sorry how is that my fault exactly? Yes I am not at all proud of English history in relation to Ireland in case your wondering but I cannot change what other people did almost 100 years ago.

aphex™

wispyman wrote: »

Sorry how is that my fault exactly? Yes I am not at all proud of English history in relation to Ireland in case your wondering but I cannot change what other people did almost 100 years ago.

Well the Queen hasn't apologized for it AFAIK. That's the point in the sign. And yes, she should apologise for it. They apologise for many things in the past and still issue pardons for things that went on in WW2 etc etc

You've missed the point completely. Thread FAIL.

Ardennes1944

wispyman wrote: »

Here we go - the trolls rise up out of the gutter.

i have quite a few posts on boards and am well established in motors and cycling forums here, you my friend have few posts. get your head out of the gutter. this is IRELAND, we are IRISH. we feel how we feel, you feel how you feel. that is fair enough, but dont come on here saying its racism? in fact, such a ridiculous thread title and OP suggests a troll in my eyes

wispyman

aphex™ wrote: »

Well the Queen hasn't apologized for it AFAIK. That's the point in the sign. And yes, she should apologise for it. They apologise for many things in the past and still issue pardons for things that went on in WW2 etc etc

You've missed the point completely. Thread FAIL.

Like the queen is going to see that sign at all. So only people who have NOTHING to do with what went on all those years ago will see that. Its a sad fact you cannot avenge the wrongs when all the aggressors are long dead.

I was not given the choice of country I was born in and once again let me state that I feel totally ashamed of the whole Black and Tans saga.

wispyman

Deutschlandfürimmer7 wrote: »

i have quite a few posts on boards and am well established in motors and cycling forums here, you my friend have few posts. get your head out of the gutter. this is IRELAND, we are IRISH. we feel how we feel, you feel how you feel. that is fair enough, but dont come on here saying its racism? in fact, such a ridiculous thread title and OP suggests a troll in my eyes

I love this posting count pi55ing competition that people operate on boards - trolling of the highest order....

Rodin

wispyman wrote: »

Like the queen is going to see that sign at all. So only people who have NOTHING to do with what went on all those years ago will see that. Its a sad fact you cannot avenge the wrongs when all the aggressors are long dead.

I was not given the choice of country I was born in and once again let me state that I feel totally ashamed of the whole Black and Tans saga.

If you are ashamed about the B and T's, how are you offended by a sign about them?

wispyman

Rodin wrote: »

If you are ashamed about the B and T's, how are you offended by a sign about them?

Because they are long gone and modern day Brits are being tarred with the same brush. Its like you have a brother who murders a child and the whole family are exiled from society.

There is a lot of anger in this thread which in my view has no home to go to. All the aggressors are long dead - its a frustration I know but you cannot change that.

Rodin

wispyman wrote: »

Because they are long gone and modern day Brits are being tarred with the same brush. Its like you have a brother who murders a child and the whole family are exiled from society.

There is a lot of anger in this thread which in my view has no home to go to. All the aggressors are long dead - its a frustration I know but you cannot change that.

You think British aggressors in foreign lands are 'long gone'?

Ardennes1944

wispyman wrote: »

I love this posting count pi55ing competition that people operate on boards - trolling of the highest order....

ok buddy ok. you enjoy yourself now!

Deutschlandfürimmer7

Deutschlandfürimmer7 wrote: »

i have quite a few posts on boards and am well established in motors and cycling forums here, you my friend have few posts. get your head out of the gutter. this is IRELAND, we are IRISH. we feel how we feel, you feel how you feel. that is fair enough, but dont come on here saying its racism? in fact, such a ridiculous thread title and OP suggests a troll in my eyes

Well said.

Mr Deutschlandfürimmer7 is far from a troll.

Just because someone reckons a thread is retarded it does not make them a troll, this one should be in ranting and raving or something anyway.

Rodin

RoverJames wrote: »

Well said.

Mr Deutschlandfürimmer7 is far from a troll.

Just because someone reckons a thread is retarded it does not make them a troll, this one should be in ranting and raving or something anyway.

I'm not sure English classifies as a race anyway. As I see it, it is one of the most heterogenous countries in the world, with citizens from all four corners of the globe, of all types and colours.

SandStone

wispyman wrote:

Prejudice based on nationality or race.

The former is xenophobia, the latter racism.

wispyman wrote: »

Well in my view the "black and tan" bit is a swipe at Brits - but maybe that's just me. All I can say is it was offensive to me - I cannot speak for other people.

Agreed. People who say the message is more subtle are giving the sign writer too much credit. It's like a sign being erected reading "Go home IRA bomber president" when an Irish president is visiting the UK.

Sonics2k

aphex™ wrote: »

Well the Queen hasn't apologized for it AFAIK. That's the point in the sign. And yes, she should apologise for it. They apologise for many things in the past and still issue pardons for things that went on in WW2 etc etc

You've missed the point completely. Thread FAIL.

So should the Irish Government apologise for the atrocities our people committed across North America and Australia?

Because guess what, a sickeningly large amount of those people were murdered by the Irish, but when was the last time you saw the Irish offer an apology for it.

This hatred for the Queen is both sad and depressing, based on a conflict that ended decades before most of us were born.

Just let this sad pathetic hatred go.

aphex™

Sonics2k wrote: »

Because guess what, a sickeningly large amount of those people were murdered by the Irish, but when was the last time you saw the Irish offer an apology for it.

Have you any links for examples where the Irish State killed people in US & AU?

Rodin

Sonics2k wrote: »

So should the Irish Government apologise for the atrocities our people committed across North America and Australia?

Because guess what, a sickeningly large amount of those people were murdered by the Irish, but when was the last time you saw the Irish offer an apology for it.

This hatred for the Queen is both sad and depressing, based on a conflict that ended decades before most of us were born.

Just let this sad pathetic hatred go.

The conflict has ended? When exactly?

maglite

OP you need to go back and have a look at some history, and a dictionary.

While I don't agree with the sign, Its clear those who erected it are far from bright, There is still a large part of the country that feel England, their Government, and their Monarchy have a lot to answer for. Weather we like to admit it or not they have been responsible for 1000's of deaths in this country (Millions if we look at the famine).

I would like to think that Irish people have no resentment to the English, but that is not true of their institutions. Namely the Monarchy, Army and Government. I have many English friends, some in the army, and I have spoken to a couple of high ranking people in British Offices. I have no issue with them but I do not agree with the actions (past and present) of their offices/institutions. That does not make me racist.

The British have been responsible for some fairly heinous acts (war crimes) in this country, an apology might be in order.

Sonics2k wrote: »

based on a conflict that ended decades before most of us were born.

A couple decade is a very short time. If we look at as I was growing up I spent time with my Great Grandfather who was dragged out of bed a night and threatened to be shot.. Both of my Great Grandfathers died with full military honors for fighting the British. It is totally idiotic to belief we should forget the past.

Rodin

SandStone wrote: »

The former is xenophobia, the latter racism.



Agreed. People who say the message is more subtle are giving the sign writer too much credit. It's like a sign being erected reading "Go home IRA bomber president" when an Irish president is visiting the UK.

There's f*** all subtlety in that message! I doubt the culprit knows what subtlety is

Sonics2k

Rodin wrote: »

The conflict has ended? When exactly?

The conflict going on between the Irish and British.

The War in the North is a civil war between Catholicism and Protestants, as well as some people wanting to be a part of Britain and others part of the Republic of Ireland.

The actual War between the people of Ireland and Britain ended upon the creation of the Free State, everything after that has been separate.

At no point since the creation of the Free State have the Republic of Ireland and Britain been at War, therefore, the conflict ended.

p.s. if we did go to War, we'd lose.

Sonics2k

aphex™ wrote: »

Have you any links for examples where the Irish State killed people in US & AU?

Not currently, simply because I am literally about to go on a night out, however I can provide some for you tomorrow assuming I remember.

As a quick comment, I lived in Australia for quite a long time, and had a lot of Aboriginal friends, all of whom had Irish names, not English, Welsh or Scottish.

Remember, it was the Irish who went to Australia (often as convicts) and set up new towns and cities, it just happens the British were in charge.

Feel free to read up on it, it's actually quite fascinating if you have any interest in History, and it is covered in Australian High School History classes.

jhegarty

Sonics2k wrote: »

The conflict going on between the Irish and British.

The War in the North is a civil war between Catholicism and Protestants, as well as some people wanting to be a part of Britain and others part of the Republic of Ireland.

The actual War between the people of Ireland and Britain ended upon the creation of the Free State, everything after that has been separate.

At no point since the creation of the Free State have the Republic of Ireland and Britain been at War, therefore, the conflict ended.

p.s. if we did go to War, we'd lose.

Actually British troops occupied land claimed by the Republic of Ireland until the Good Friday agreement.

evilivor

Sonics2k wrote: »

The conflict going on between the Irish and British.

The War in the North is a civil war between Catholicism and Protestants, as well as some people wanting to be a part of Britain and others part of the Republic of Ireland.

I don't think many want to be part of Britain; they want to remain part of the United Kingdom.

aphex™

Sonics2k wrote: »

Not currently, simply because I am literally about to go on a night out, however I can provide some for you tomorrow assuming I remember.

Grand, just make sure the examples you find are committed by the Irish State. Not random Irish people. The Queen as in the OP is visiting as head of state. The black and tans were given orders by the UK.

Rodin

Sonics2k wrote: »

The War in the North is a civil war between Catholicism and Protestants, as well as some people wanting to be a part of Britain and others part of the Republic of Ireland.

???

maglite

Irish going to Aus was't really an official Irish government action. It was more like the British forcibly banishing Irish people to the end of the earth.

But good luck with your search to find example of where the Irish state has invaded countries. It will be interesting.

Rodin

wispyman wrote: »

Opened my front door today and was confronted with this:



While I have no interest or love for the British monarchy I found the racist undertones quite distasteful. I thought this stuff mostly went on north of the border these days.

Your front door is a bit close to the roadside

bladebrew

there is a sign that looks very similar to this one on the road from cobh aswell, it says "no queen in cobh" or something similar,
i dont think the queen was/is heading to cobh or midleton,

dave1982

I don't know what the big issue is let her come i don't care to be honest.

It's not going to bother me

No point getting upset over the Queen coming,to me she means nothing.

I won't be going to see her anyway.

People are entitled to have issue with her coming here,thats their choice i won't disagree with them

bladebrew

bladebrew wrote: »

there is a sign that looks very similar to this one on the road from cobh aswell, it says "no queen in cobh" or something similar,
i dont think the queen was/is heading to cobh or midleton,

Is Cobh not also called Queenstown ? :pac:

dave1982 wrote: »

They made a balls of the sign anyway i read it NO NO BLACK TAN QUEEN??

There is a + between the words Black and Tan

Goldstein

Strangely, I notice "Queen" isn't one of the race options on my census, must have gotten a dud.

54kroc

OP count yourself lucky there was only a small sign outside your door.
Pop into the city and you'll be greeted with this on Daunt's Square.

gbee

dave1982 wrote: »

It's not going to bother me

Oh yes it is, road closures for days as secret service sweep the route, traffic delays for hours as roads are closed 'unexpectedly' due to a tip off phone call.

Restriction of movement and maybe confinement in your housing estate. The issuance of resident passes to go to the shops, the cinema, work or home again.

I'll effect everyone within about a 25 mile radius of anywhere she goes.