Getting Out Of Farming !

pakalasa

We have decided, after a long and heated discussion, to sell of the cattle and lease or rent out the farm. We have all sucklers. I was thinking of selling them as soon as possible before they go back in calf.
Am I right in saying that the single payment can be claimed by the person renting the place and then essentially ipaying it back in the rent price.

....A well life goes on I guess... It's not the be all and end all of everything.

whelan1

thats an awful big decision to make ... would you not think about it over the weekend

pakalasa

I did say long discussion. It's going on for nearly 10 year now.
Glad we (the extended family) have reached a decision, to be honest.

irishh_bob

pakalasa wrote: »

We have decided, after a long and heated discussion, to sell of the cattle and lease or rent out the farm. We have all sucklers. I was thinking of selling them as soon as possible before they go back in calf.
Am I right in saying that the single payment can be claimed by the person renting the place and then essentially ipaying it back in the rent price.

....A well life goes on I guess... It's not the be all and end all of everything.

was your descision influenced by the lack of money in suckling, im hoping to start a suckler herd yet everyone ( including teagasc ) tells me thier isnt a schilling in it and that the majority of suckler men would be peniless were it not for the single payment

pakalasa

No it's nothing to do with income, more of a family problem.

vanderbadger

jeepers thats a shock pakalasa...will you miss it? I take it this decision isnt fully down to yourself

pakalasa

No, it wasn't my decision in the end. It's a right mess, to be honest.
My father died years ago and left everything to my mother. He was on to me at the time to get things sorted, green cert and all that, but I was working away from home at the time.
I've been farming the place since. I'm not taking a single cent in income. I have younger brothers but they've no interest in the farm. So all the work is left to me.
The crux of the problem is the farm is run down now and needs serious investment. Tractor is on it's last legs and we need to do some building work. Let's just say we aint Nitrates Directive compliant.:)
When I try to bring this up, all I get is...."Christ, not this again".
I'm really caught between a rock and a hard place, becauce I really enjoy working with cattle.

So after a long discussion, it was decided to let the place out. It's amazing though, now people who never lifted as much as a finger, have very strong opinions on what should be done.

bob charles

probably the best decision you will ever make, I have yet to meet someone who regrets getting out of comerical farming. You could keep a few acres for a beef heifer for the table if you want to keep an interest. I would love ot be in your shoes but unfortunatly its not an option at this point in time. Best of luck with the future, you will now have time to travel the world, the list is envious. By the way, where are you, could do with more land:D If you still enjoy working with animals there are some great stockmen jobs looking for a suitable person carrying a much reduced stress load

whelan1

thats a horrible situation to be in , at least now you know whats happening , best of luck... my dad always says you can choose your friends but you cant choose your relations

Bizzum

I hope it all works out well for ya. None of us know what's around the corner.
Your wisdom on here will still be as valuable and relevant.
Best of good luck with it.

Min

Good luck to you, pakalasa.

bob charles wrote: »

probably the best decision you will ever make, I have yet to meet someone who regrets getting out of comerical farming. You could keep a few acres for a beef heifer for the table if you want to keep an interest. I would love ot be in your shoes but unfortunatly its not an option at this point in time. Best of luck with the future, you will now have time to travel the world, the list is envious. By the way, where are you, could do with more land:D If you still enjoy working with animals there are some great stockmen jobs looking for a suitable person carrying a much reduced stress load

I bet they are people who never had a proper interest in farming.

vanderbadger

pakalasa wrote: »

No, it wasn't my decision in the end. It's a right mess, to be honest.
My father died years ago and left everything to my mother. He was on to me at the time to get things sorted, green cert and all that, but I was working away from home at the time.
I've been farming the place since. I'm not taking a single cent in income. I have younger brothers but they've no interest in the farm. So all the work is left to me.
The crux of the problem is the farm is run down now and needs serious investment. Tractor is on it's last legs and we need to do some building work. Let's just say we aint Nitrates Directive compliant.:)
When I try to bring this up, all I get is...."Christ, not this again".
I'm really caught between a rock and a hard place, becauce I really enjoy working with cattle.

So after a long discussion, it was decided to let the place out. It's amazing though, now people who never lifted as much as a finger, have very strong opinions on what should be done.

i have to say it makes me mad to hear that, sorry to hear your in that situation , if you are doing the work and no one else was interested then it should be left to you full stop..unfortunately these things are complicated when they are a few people involved so its easy for me to talk. shame to let go of good cows though if you have been working away and and using ai improving things.would there be any point in myabe trying to come to agreement with mother/others and pay a few bob yourself and try get control of the place..

Red Sheds

Hard decision for you alright, especially if you like farming, I can sympthasie with you pretty much as am in somewhat a similar type situation. Would like to do alot more farming than I do now, but faced with similarish type constraints. Like you working in the last few years and didnt have much time for farming, but over next few years will have more time and would like to start investing in it now.

To help answer the question you asked, about the single payment, the answer is yes, it can be claimed by the person renting, they have to have a 5 year lease minimum I think, but not so sure on that one. Generally the SFP might be shared in some proportion between the owner and the person renting and you get the rent per acre on top of that as well.

As another poster said you could try and rent the place yourself, is that an option for you?

Birdnuts

I'm genuinly sad for you M8:( - sounds like things could have worked out so much better for you if it wasn't for other people actions(or lack of in this case).


PS: I went through something similiar in relation to one of the finest farms in Mayo back in the early 90's - but as the old saying goes "you can choose your friends, but not your family":(

pat25c

i dont envy your position one bit , hope it all works out for you,but at least your leasing the land and not selling it, family disputes are the worst. iam taking over my parents farm in a year or so, but i keep having a recurring nightmare that i run it into the ground and my father , grandfather & great grandfather come around and kick my head in , i wake up in a sweat some nights.

Muckit

pakalasa wrote: »

life goes on I guess... It's not the be all and end all of everything.

Eventually you will come to realise there is truth in these words.

Your health and wellbeing is far more important than any land or farming.

Take some solace in the fact that your circumstances are not unusual. I almost had the very same conversation myself with my parents.

You should try clear your head right now. Plan towards taking a well earned break and heading off on a holiday this summer.

Above all, don't feel guilty or take to heart words that may be uttered by family members. It's an emotional time for everyone concerned.


I wish you all the best for the future.

P.S I hope you still continue to post on here regularly.

tismesoitis

:eek: jasus pak really sorry to hear ur suituation. u always showed a great interest in ur stock especially from a breeding point of view just to have the rug pulled from beneath u:(.as previous poster said hope u continue posting here cos personally always found ur imput to b top notch. best of luck with whatever u turn ur hand to and sure maybe u'l find ur way back to farming one way or another.

Muckit

tismesoitis wrote: »

maybe u'l find ur way back to farming one way or another.

I hope you do too Pakalasa....... on your own terms and in your own way. And you don't need the 'home place' to do it

scub

I know this may sound bizarre but can you be the leasee of the land and continue farming? sign a 20 year lease or something?

keep going

just from listening the prob seems to be with farming in that place or set up, not farming in its self.maybe its time to sort out issues in the family set up and if you cant why not do something in your own right,.you may not be as asset rich but at at least you will have a clear head.

Butcher Boy

keep the head up .if you have a good herd of cows hold on to them and rent a farm longterm .and let the crowd at home f;;koff .they might be glad to have you back in the yard this time next year.the same thing happened my self in 86 no will made .I bought 48 acres then and now farm 190 it was hard at the time but thank god i never looked back. so all i can say is the very best of luck for the future.

Bodacious

Butcher Boy wrote: »

keep the head up .if you have a good herd of cows hold on to them and rent a farm longterm .and let the crowd at home f;;koff .they might be glad to have you back in the yard this time next year.the same thing happened my self in 86 no will made .I bought 48 acres then and now farm 190 it was hard at the time but thank god i never looked back. so all i can say is the very best of luck for the future.

Hi Pakalasa,

I'm sorry to hear this and know what butcher boy is saying is good advice and maybe you shouldnt rent a big expensive place to start but keep say 5 of your best cows/herdnumber etc and a corner of the homeplace or an isolated section/few acres, posession is 9/10ths of the law.. dont walk away completely now as if you were to revisit this conversation/family meeting in few years time (god forbid if parent were to pass away etc) all your hard work is soon forgotten it'll go under the hammer.. whereas if you have a foothold you may just get to buy others out and after that "f**k them!!"

Also if you doing your thing with few cows down the road and some big cereal contractor in homeplace in time family out of guilt/(time is a great healer) may just say "its not right .. he the man with the interest,parents would never have wanted this etc!"

Hang in there and i wish you luck in whatever you do

5live

Ah bugger it Pakalasa. Sorry to hear about that. Luckly in my case i didnt have a load of people trying to run the place, just trying to live off it(me:mad:!!!).

Reading back on the thread, you seem kind of relieved the stress is over. Look on it as an opportunity to see where you want to go, be it farming or not and being your own boss.

I hope you will still look in on us and offer a bit of advice as your polywire advice a while back has saved my sanity(and my aching joints).

And enjoy the rest for a while. But you will be back. You cant keep a good man down.

John_F

sorry to hear its gone so messy, youve made a great contribution on here and hope you keep doing so, may be worth looking at a long term lease, could keep them some bit quiet