How The Mighty Are Falling.

Humans eh!

I think its very interesting to see how Ireland is undergoing such cathartic changes in just over a decade. In no small part to the internet and the availability and ability to source and share information quickly, Irish people have undergone such a radical transformation that it is difficult to see where it is all heading so fast.

All the revered institutions of the past are being (usually self) undermined and their power to command respect has greatly diminished. Our forebears respect and some might say servility is not present in the youth and I wonder how this will shape the country for the next generation.

Gone and going is the power of, belief and respect among large swathes of the population for:
The Church,
The Banking fraternity,
The Government (previous politicians in particular)
The Judiciary,
And now we are seeing a huge groundswell of distrust and loss of faith in the Gardai.
Each of the above has all been discussed separately on Boards but are they all connected to a change in Irish and or global society as a whole?

All the old pillars are crumbling and the rate of their disintegration is quickening, largely due to their own human weaknesses and the fact that the people look at them not with the automatic deference of the past but through cynical, open and more distrustful eyes due to a lack of faith in their respective integrity. Obviously not all of the population are going to change their views. Indeed certain sections will cling even harder and defend even more vigorously their chosen 'pillars' as their entire identity and sense of place in society is determined by the unchanging constants that they need. For many, fear of letting go and dread of change will blind them to any fault or injustice by anybody.

Is it merely a natural progression and enlightenment or will it lead to a more chaotic, less caring and uncivilised society?
I do believe that while we may not be on the cusp of armageddon I think humanity will undergo monumental shifts over the next few years not just here but globally as the old order loses respect and as a result tightens their grip.
Any thoughts?


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chin_grin

Humans eh! wrote: »

Any thoughts?

Humans, eh? Eh? Tsch..................Humans!

bonerm

As always ....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3R8jPSijVsg

prinz

Irish eh!

Shulgin

Revolution is on the way

The old systems and institutions are becoming obsolete.

pragmatic1

No its a good thing. This is the best time to live in the history of mankind. We have access to all of human knowledge at out finger tips. Everything is out in the open now and things cant be swept under the carpet like in the past.

Latchy

Humans eh! wrote: »

Gone and going is the power of, belief and respect among large swathes of the population for:
The Church,
The Banking fraternity,
The Government (previous politicians in particular)
The Judiciary,
And now we are seeing a huge groundswell of distrust and loss of faith in the Gardai.
Each of the above has all been discussed separately on Boards but are they all connected to a change in Irish and or global society as a whole?

They times they are a changing alright and although Ireland and the world might be more fcuked up than ever before , whole generations will grow up not to be ridiculed or mocked by questioning the above institutions , how they operate and that's the best thing to come out of this new reveloution .

pragmatic1 wrote: »

No its a good thing. This is the best time to live in the history of mankind. We have access to all of human knowledge at out finger tips. Everything is out in the open now and things cant be swept under the carpet like in the past.

And knowledge is power ...

Ghost Buster

Latchy wrote: »

They times they are a changing alright and although Ireland and the world might be more fcuked up than ever before , whole generations will grow up not to be ridiculed or mocked by questioning the above institutions , how they operate and that's the best thing to come out of this new reveloution .


And knowledge is power ...

I often wonder if and when we will see some major financial scandal in the GAA as it is a distillation of so many of the Oirish institutions namely Church, Politicians, business men and such. Gotta be rot at the top me thinks.

Rabble Rabble

Ghost Buster wrote: »

I often wonder if and when we will see some major financial scandal in the GAA as it is a distillation of so many of the Oirish institutions namely Church, Politicians, business men and such. Gotta be rot at the top me thinks.

I would be more worried about the FAI. Or the rugby crowd.

The GAA seems a noble organisation, people giving their time for free to entertain the masses, or train children. Probably more give back to society there than you will ever do ( and no, I am not a player).

Oh_Noes

Being overtaken by

The European Union
Facebook
Multinational companies
Science zealots

I'm not one for conspiracy theories but I think that any large grouping of people that has a disproportionate amount of power and influence in this day and age realises that they need to look like they don't.

Latchy

Ghost Buster wrote: »

I often wonder if and when we will see some major financial scandal in the GAA as it is a distillation of so many of the Oirish institutions namely Church, Politicians, business men and such. Gotta be rot at the top me thinks.

I have always felt as many people have that the GAA was like a closed club with strict rules as to who could become a member .But once you were in the closed circle you were in for life but like the church and many sections of the goverment ,felt themselfs above any sort of outside interference or questioning .

In a culture like that the rules can be bent so as black is white and vice versa so I would not be surprised that there is rot at the top in there to ,it's no different in that respect nor is the FAI or the Rugby crowd I might add ,am not making any accusations against any of them

Saila

who cares it'll all be over by 2012

ejmaztec

They haven't gone, they're just having a bit of a rest.

Poor Craythur

Oh_Noes wrote: »

Science zealots

Science zealots > religious zealots

KeithAFC

Yep. Its about time the Roman Catholic Church was shown for what it is. Pure evil.

Brussels Sprout

KeithAFC wrote: »

Yep. Its about time the Roman Catholic Church was shown for what it is. Pure evil.

Trolls will be trolls

Misty Chaos

I can't help but be reminded of the scene from Fight Club in the bar where Taylor Durden is urging the Narrator that we should evolve and discard values associated with consumerism and the old system.

Funny how relevant that film is.

Poor Craythur

I think consumerism and capitalism will die hard because people like stuff and like to have lots of it.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Shulgin wrote: »

Revolution is on the way

The old systems and institutions are becoming obsolete.

... and new systems and institutions are moving into take their place!

taboids and media
multinatinoals, as someone mentinoed
internet trackers

Ghost Buster

Rabble Rabble wrote: »

I would be more worried about the FAI. Or the rugby crowd.

The GAA seems a noble organisation, people giving their time for free to entertain the masses, or train children. Probably more give back to society there than you will ever do ( and no, I am not a player).

Oh I dont mean at local or even county level. Im talking about at the top where the big bucks (cash and people) are.
I dont think the FAI or rugby lot have the same FF/ Church/ Parocial input.

catbear

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

... and new systems and institutions are moving into take their place!

taboids and media
multinatinoals, as someone mentinoed
internet trackers

I agree. When the future doesn't look attractive societies can decide to fool themselves, some by burning books/banning knowledge.

Duckworth_Luas

Latchy wrote:

I have always felt as many people have that the GAA was like a closed club with strict rules as to who could become a member .But once you were in the closed circle you were in for life but like the church and many sections of the goverment ,felt themselfs above any sort of outside interference or questioning .

In a culture like that the rules can be bent so as black is white and vice versa so I would not be surprised that there is rot at the top in there to ,it's no different in that respect nor is the FAI or the Rugby crowd I might add ,am not making any accusations against any of them

Ghost Buster wrote: »

Oh I dont mean at local or even county level. Im talking about at the top where the big bucks (cash and people) are.
I dont think the FAI or rugby lot have the same FF/ Church/ Parocial input.

Jaysus, that is the biggest load of codswallop I've ever read. Anybody can become a member of the GAA. In fact the GAA is probably the most democratic organisation in the country. Any single member can set about changing its constitution. All its financial details are made public, have a look at the Central Councils 2010 Annual Financial Report. Every single cent made by the GAA is accounted for and ploughed back into the association.

The ideals of the GAA are so high that there are continued rifts among membership about accepting sponsorship off Guinness. Contrast that other sports associations where the membership never question where sponsorship comes from. As Ireland's largest association of people it is subject to intense outside scrutiny from various branches of the media.

It is an organisation that continues to promote amateurism and community spirit. It is the only organisation I've ever joined that I can say that I was proud to be a member.

shedweller

Humans eh! wrote: »

The Banking fraternity,
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The banking fraternity falling? I doubt that!
They "lost" a lot of money and now we are paying it back to them. I think they are doing very well

Latchy

Duckworth_Luas wrote: »

The ideals of the GAA are so high that there are continued rifts among membership about accepting sponsorship off Guinness. Contrast that other sports associations where the membership never question where sponsorship comes from. As Ireland's largest association of people it is subject to intense outside scrutiny from various branches of the media.

It is an organisation that continues to promote amateurism and community spirit. It is the only organisation I've ever joined that I can say that I was proud to be a member.

The same GAA that despised soccer , banned it from being played at many schools as a foreigners game and would not let any soccer internationals be played at Croke Park until a few years ago that is ( and must have made a lot of money in the process ) . It has it's rules of but it's the small mindedness towards the latter that sticks out more than anything .

TheRevolution

Shulgin wrote: »

Revolution is on the way

O.K I'm here. Give me the LD

Duckworth_Luas

Latchy wrote: »

The same GAA that despised soccer , banned it from being played at many schools as a foreigners game and would not let any soccer internationals be played at Croke Park until a few years ago that is ( and must have made a lot of money in the process ) . It has it's rules of but it's the small mindedness towards the latter that sticks out more than anything .

Grow up and get over it! Soccer is by far the biggest, richest sport in the world yet it continues to fail in Ireland. Soccers failure to grow and expand in Ireland is the FAIs fault, not the GAAs. If you hadn't noticed most GAA players in Ireland are also soccer players. The GAA, as an organisation does not despise soccer, it just does not care about it, why should it? If the FAI cannot promote that sport in Ireland why should the GAA?

Latchy

Duckworth_Luas wrote: »

Grow up and get over it!

The FAI has a fine soccer stadium now and bar the loan of your stadium for a match or two got by fine without you lot so grow up yourself

Soccer is by far the biggest, richest sport in the world yet it continues to fail in Ireland.

Yet thousends of Irish people will gladly watch British and continental teams on tv and there are enough soccer threads to confirm it's popularity .

Soccers failure to grow and expand in Ireland is the FAIs fault, not the GAAs. If you hadn't noticed most soccer players in Ireland are also GAA players. The GAA, as an organisation does not despise soccer, it just does not care about it, why should it? If the FAI cannot promote that sport in Ireland why should the GAA?

Who's asking the GAA to promote soccer ? young people are clever enough to want to follow one sport or the other , or both and good luck to them .

But you notice as soon as the soccer or rugby team are doing well in competitions the support from all sections of the public grows ,with or without the supporters of the GGA

pragmatic1

KeithAFC wrote: »

Yep. Its about time the Roman Catholic Church was shown for what it is. Pure evil.

The Protestant Church isnt far behind in the evil stakes mind you.

Duckworth_Luas

Latchy wrote: »

The FAI has a fine soccer stadium now and bar the loan of your stadium for a match or two got by fine without you lot so grow up yourself

Actually, the stadium returns to full IRFU ownership after 50 years. After that the FAI will have to rent again.

Latchy wrote: »

Yet thousends of Irish people will gladly watch British and continental teams on tv and there are enough soccer threads to confirm it's popularity .

Enough said.

Latchy wrote: »

Who's asking the GAA to promote soccer ? young people are clever enough to want to follow one sport or the other , or both and good luck to them .

Well soccer fans, like yourself, with their small minded jealousy of the GAAs preeminence in Ireland tend to blame soccers failures on the GAA rather than on the FAI.

Latchy wrote: »

But you notice as soon as the soccer or rugby team are doing well in competitions the support from all sections of the public grows ,with or without the supporters of the GGA

Actually, I'm also a member of an IRFU club, Connacht Branch. Every single member and player of my club is also, or has been, a member of the GAA.

So what's your agenda? Why the continued bitching about the GAA?

KeithAFC

pragmatic1 wrote: »

The Protestant Church isnt far behind in the evil stakes mind you.

I think if we were to add it up, the RCC is miles ahead in that stake to be fair.

Latchy

Duckworth_Luas wrote: »

Enough said

which involves and has involved many Irish players north and south for decades ,most who play for their country ....enough said

Well soccer fans, like yourself, with their small minded jealousy of the GAAs preeminence in Ireland tend to blame soccers failures on the GAA rather than on the FAI.

You took the two words 'small mindedness ' from my other post ,jealousy of the GAA my ass

Actually, I'm also a member of an IRFU club, Connacht Branch. Every single member and player of my club is also, or has been, a member of the GAA.

And ? like do I really care what your involved in ?

So what's your agenda? Why the continued bitching about the GAA?

Galiege footballs a great game but I really couldn't give a monkeys about it to have any agenda except another poster made a point on the GAA in this thread . I followed up and gave an opinion just as you did .

Humans eh!

shedweller wrote: »

The banking fraternity falling? I doubt that!
They "lost" a lot of money and now we are paying it back to them. I think they are doing very well

Falling in public estimation, not in power or (our) wealth. As with the government, the church and judiciary/gardai while their power and structures are still in place, more and more people are not putting blind faith in their abilities and integrity like they used to.

Poor Craythur wrote:

I think consumerism and capitalism will die hard because people like stuff and like to have lots of it.

I agree, the problems start when these people can't afford the stuff but want it anyway.

IMHO regarding the GAA, I think that it has retained much of the idealism with which it was founded. Unlike Soccer which has ceased to be a sport and is now simply a business detached from locale and based on who can afford the best players. The GAA has retained its regionality and vitality, and so many people devote so much of their own time and efforts for free because of that. It is used as a force to solidify and strengthen communities all across the Ireland, even its adaptation in the North as shown tragically by the solidarity of PSNI and GAA at the funeral of the young officer murdered by so called dissidents shows that it is not an unbending behemoth resistant to change.
I am not involved with the GAA and do not participate in gaelic sports but I hold the organisation in very high regard and its amateur status of players is in my opinion what generates the passion and respect of its fans and members.
Far from going off topic I think that organisations like the GAA will only rise in importance as a bulwark against societal breakdown as the old institutions become less relevant with each generation.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

KeithAFC wrote: »

I think if we were to add it up, the RCC is miles ahead in that stake to be fair.

Mah. They're religions. It's their job to be evil and keep people miserable.