What is in your tank?

jeff greene

Seeing as the main breeding season for most is almost here, I taught it would be interesting to see what bulls others are using or planning to use. I have the following –

Ralma O-man Cricket
Galastar Bluesky
JZM Goldenboy
Autumn Ridge Matson
REW Seaver
McCormick

stanflt

HVA-
FLT-need i say more!
AXN
IRP
LLK
MZY
RXR
DSU
S902
SOK
ROZ

Miller80

I only have laurel and jerudo from dovea.

Thinking of getting gormez lee and 1 other bull

whelan1

i am taking a year out and using my br/fr stock bull:o fantastic calves then will go back to ai next year.. when i have the bull out i am using sok/koz and flt:) but as i already had an oman stock bull a few years ago i am careful who i am using these straws on ... i want to get poiwer and strength back in to the herd

bogman_bass

what breeding is in the stockbull Whelan1?

whelan1

tih in his breeding.. has an ebi of 140

browned

hwy
hyz
lrw
if i could find a good bull with enough realibilty i'd use just one but have to go wit a team wit the low realibility

dar31

sok
uph
gmz
s902
axn

and 4 stock bulls

first major stint at diy ai, getting a few screws out to practice on next week.
probally need to get some more straws later on, want to see how diy goes first,
what bulls would anyone recommend for good solids, good type, hold milk,good feet and udders,
usually pick bulls in about 10 min while sitting on the loo, very scientific!!!!!

whelan1

dar31 wrote: »

sok
uph
gmz
s902
axn

and 4 stock bulls

first major stint at diy ai, getting a few screws out to practice on next week.
probally need to get some more straws later on, want to see how diy goes first,
what bulls would anyone recommend for good solids, good type, hold milk,good feet and udders,
usually pick bulls in about 10 min while sitting on the loo, very scientific!!!!!

what breed are your stock bulls ?

dar31

whelan1 wrote: »

what breed are your stock bulls ?

all friesian

Tipp Man

Dar31

Do you mind if i ask how you manage with 4 stock bulls? How many are you running at the same time? Do they do shift work;)?? Any fighting?

Tipp Man

whelan1 wrote: »

tih in his breeding.. has an ebi of 140

Whelan do you mind me asking what kind of money you paid for him??

We bought a TIH a couple of years ago for €1,500. Same seller is looking for the same money again this year

stanflt

Tipp Man wrote: »

Whelan do you mind me asking what kind of money you paid for him??

We bought a TIH a couple of years ago for €1,500. Same seller is looking for the same money again this year

i know someone with a rxo from a vg88 OJI from an ex91 3e ZRR
172EBI 88for fertility 288kg milk 13.71kg [EMAIL="fat@0.05"]fat@0.05[/EMAIL] 11.08kg [EMAIL="prot@0.03%20for"]prot@0.03 for[/EMAIL] sale

also OJI*MCL*HRZ 177ebi [EMAIL="18fat@0.02"]18fat@0.02[/EMAIL] 17.5kg [EMAIL="prot@0.05"]prot@0.05[/EMAIL] 447kg milk

jeff greene

dar31 wrote: »

what bulls would anyone recommend for good solids, good type, hold milk,good feet and udders,
usually pick bulls in about 10 min while sitting on the loo, very scientific!!!!!

Its probably 10 mins more that some lads do, is your bathroom full of ai catalogs like mine:D

If your still using Oman sons, Cricket or McCormick are the most balanced ones I see that aren't too dear. Non oman, I like Dodge(s960), RNM is ok but poor rumps.

stanflt

jeff greene wrote: »

Its probably 10 mins more that some lads do, is your bathroom full of ai catalogs like mine:D

If your still using Oman sons, Cricket or McCormick are the most balanced ones I see that aren't too dear. Non oman, I like Dodge(s960), RNM is ok but poor rumps.

i quite like s960 nice fat and prot-would be ideal cross for oman daughters

jeff greene

stanflt wrote: »

i quite like s960 nice fat and prot-would be ideal cross for oman daughters

will +2 overall udders be enough to fix them:rolleyes:

He is a nice looking bull alright, s959 isn't bad either. Palermo PMZ is another Goldwyn thats good. I don't want to use too much Goldwyn sons as the best isn't known yet.

linebacker52

Hzy
Mdw
Uph
Lrw
Bug

Going to be using all of them this spring.what are you lads using on your heifers

jeff greene

linebacker52 wrote: »

Hzy
Mdw
Uph
Lrw
Bug

Going to be using all of them this spring.what are you lads using on your heifers

GJM again, very easy calving, nice calves too.

stanflt

jeff greene wrote: »

will +2 overall udders be enough to fix them:rolleyes:

He is a nice looking bull alright, s959 isn't bad either. Palermo PMZ is another Goldwyn thats good. I don't want to use too much Goldwyn sons as the best isn't known yet.

ive a 3yr old ex90 OJI on her 3rd lactation-she just 4yr old this week her dam only went vg 85-some much for oji leaving plain stock

jeff greene

stanflt wrote: »

ive a 3yr old ex90 OJI on her 3rd lactation-she just 4yr old this week her dam only went vg 85-some much for oji leaving plain stock

It was a joke but they are the exception than the rule with his liner, but he wasn't about that.

whelan1

Tipp Man wrote: »

Whelan do you mind me asking what kind of money you paid for him??

We bought a TIH a couple of years ago for €1,500. Same seller is looking for the same money again this year

€900 off a lad in arklow

dar31

Tipp Man wrote: »

Dar31

Do you mind if i ask how you manage with 4 stock bulls? How many are you running at the same time? Do they do shift work;)?? Any fighting?

day on, day off. one for the heifers, and a young one that wont be fit for breeding till mid summer, he will take over when the oldest lad turns wicked or something happens to one, hopefully a goon % will be in calf by then so it wont be to hard on him.

whelan1

not being smart but how do you know what cows are in calf to what bull ?

dar31

jeff greene wrote: »

Its probably 10 mins more that some lads do, is your bathroom full of ai catalogs like mine:D

If your still using Oman sons, Cricket or McCormick are the most balanced ones I see that aren't too dear. Non oman, I like Dodge(s960), RNM is ok but poor rumps.

whos oman;)

have little or no oman blood in the herd, that i know of.
must check stock bulls

dar31

whelan1 wrote: »

not being smart but how do you know what cows are in calf to what bull ?

more concerned that they are in calf, than who the daddy is.
good heat detection, records of which bull on. probably 80 - 90% accurate.

jeff greene

Got my Dovea catalog this morning, some interesting non Oman bulls. RDO, GIO, LRZ, NIZ, PIM, RTR, VAM, EMM, s792.

Can anyone add anything about these bulls?

Miller80

Stan flt, where in the country are these bulls and what kind of money would they be?

Miller80

I like LRZ but watch out what cows you put him on, narrow enough on chest width but very popular this year because of fertility and good %'s. GIO looks good apart from very poor fat %. NIZ is way better bull for type and milk than the figures show, poor solids though. Had some great cows in the past out of NIZ's sire formation.

MCL is a really good bull but I think straws are pretty expensive.
Jerudo is also a bull I like, rudolph had great fertility.

Min

dar31 wrote: »

more concerned that they are in calf, than who the daddy is.
good heat detection, records of which bull on. probably 80 - 90% accurate.

I think knowing who Daddy is important if one is interested in the Herdplus from the ICBF but you seem to know.

I have a few missing sires from older cows

jeff greene

Miller80 wrote: »

Jerudo is also a bull I like, rudolph had great fertility.

A Rudolph stock bull has left some of the best cows we ever had. For a tall, narrow bull with poor legs he certainly made long life cows.

So what traits lead to longevity?

tismesoitis

maybe a suckler lad could give his bit here too:D
belgian blue
byu,edj,fhz,stq,kyr(ncbc) ross brendan,barco,wacko,sfl(bova)
limousin.
tko,fl21,fl22,six,ere and carmorn dauphin and also cloughead lord,mas du clo and ronnick hawk just for d few pedigrees.
simmental.
hkg.
parthenaise.
lry(bova).

stanflt

Miller80 wrote: »

Stan flt, where in the country are these bulls and what kind of money would they be?

co meath 2500k-bulls not as good as these were making 4k in kilkenny last week

Miller80

yea the figures look good, why didn't you enter a few bulls into the sale?
I bought an oman son from the lynbrook herd last october but the fecker dislocated his hip about a month ago :mad:
Was from a really good family.

jeff greene

stanflt wrote: »

co meath 2500k-bulls not as good as these were making 4k in kilkenny last week

2500k :eek:

What are their names, my uncle needs a bull. PM if you like.

jeff greene

Miller80 wrote: »

yea the figures look good, why didn't you enter a few bulls into the sale?
I bought an oman son from the lynbrook herd last october but the fecker dislocated his hip about a month ago :mad:
Was from a really good family.

Lynbrook is a great herd, he basically half fills the Dovea catalog.:rolleyes: I see Croagh have an Oman bull for sale now, defiantly worth a look, if only to have a look at their cows and setup.

Miller80

Is croagh the frawleys in limerick? Yea lynbrook has a serious herd and massive protein in most families.

jeff greene

Miller80 wrote: »

Is croagh the frawleys in limerick? Yea lynbrook has a serious herd and massive protein in most families.

Yeah, the best herd of cows I've ever seen, nice people too.

stanflt

Miller80 wrote: »

yea the figures look good, why didn't you enter a few bulls into the sale?
I bought an oman son from the lynbrook herd last october but the fecker dislocated his hip about a month ago :mad:
Was from a really good family.

if your looking for a bull pm me

keep going

probaly be killed over this. this year i am using all gene ireland bulls for ai ,my theory is across a team of bulls your going to get a reasonable ebi and spreading risk.straws are only 6.50 and you are only a step back in breeding and maybe a step forward. i was depopulated a few years back and it i dont invest too much energy in breeding particular cows as it can all be gone in a jiff.dont like puting all my eggs in the one basket with stockbulls except for mopping up

jeff greene

keep going wrote: »

probaly be killed over this. this year i am using all gene ireland bulls for ai ,my theory is across a team of bulls your going to get a reasonable ebi and spreading risk.straws are only 6.50 and you are only a step back in breeding and maybe a step forward. i was depopulated a few years back and it i dont invest too much energy in breeding particular cows as it can all be gone in a jiff.dont like puting all my eggs in the one basket with stockbulls except for mopping up

Do those Gene Ireland bulls have a genomic proof? If so, good value at that, I think you get free liner scoring and milk recording too.

keep going

open to correction but i think the milk rec is gone and there is genomic on them .surely though they can make a fair stab at picking some of the best bulls in the country with all the info available now. its not just by the look of them or where they came from like before. and they give you an inbreeding report which the ai man has