advice on emirgration with no qualifications

LegacyUser

I am looking for advice about emigrating and working abroad.

I am a young carer. I have a few papers but nothing that would stand to me for abroad.

I know the smartest thing to do would be to perhaps study part time to gain a useful qualification. Caring is very long hours so I dont have much free time outside of caring. Ideally I would love to leave within the next year.

Places I would like to go to includes:
canada
holland
poland
new zealand
australia

Kevin Duffy

Hi OP, besides your qualifications situation, are you in a financial position to emigrate?
Have you looked at work options in the areas you are qualified for?
Of the countries that would require work permits etc, have you started that process?
I know you're looking for answers rather than questions, just trying to see how far along your plan is so that any advice you get might be better focussed and constructive.

Acoshla

OP if you can afford it you might as well pick a country and go for it. I moved to Canada with basic qualifications (no degree, but leaving cert and FETAC stuff), ended up in a great job that I had no experience for at all, but I got the job because they liked me and thought I was up to it (it included working with sick animals which not everyone is cut out for). My FETAC award in Interior Design got me absolutely nowhere! Temp agencies can find work for you based on your strengths if you don't have any area that you are qualified/have experience in, then once you prove yourself as a good worker by doing a few temp positions you get more and more, with more and more responsibilities and experiences, and then go from there.

Aishae

hi OP im not sure what the exact rules are but from all those tv shows on it it seems australia is very strict on who it will give a work permit to never mind a residency permit. it focus on what you have to offer BUT not only as far as qualifications, there is work history too - skills. maybe they have special circumstances visas though.
but if you chose a country within the EU you are entitled to live in any of them.
i dont know the rules for canada etc but you can look into it on the embassy websites. the websites would defo be your first port of call.

you can do those 'work one year abroad' things, i dont think theyre only for students. might be a way to suss out where youd consider going too.

cafecolour

If you have a university degree, you can take a CELT course (teaching English) and get a job in Poland (or a lot of eastern europe) pretty easily. The CELT course is about 1100 euros and a month long (full time).

You can get a working holiday visa to Australia if you're under 30.

krd

Several of my closest friends are Polish. And what a few of them did on coming to Ireland was to award themselves degrees and qualifications they did not have - accrediting their accreditations to Polish institutions impossible to pronounce and even harder to call.

I'm not saying you should lie. But you should think about the kind of world you live in - you should look at the reality of this country.

Do what you have to do.

LegacyUser

Your options are limited to EU countries. Your lack of education and work history will prevent you from entering anything else legally.

I'm astonished that people are being let advise you to make up qualifications you don't hold. This isn't poland, we're an English speaking country with a lot of accredited universities and IT's here and you will be looked into.

krd

TheMomentOfTruth wrote: »

Your options are limited to EU countries. Your lack of education and work history will prevent you from entering anything else legally.

I'm astonished that people are being let advise you to make up qualifications you don't hold. This isn't poland, we're an English speaking country with a lot of accredited universities and IT's here and you will be looked into.

Really?

I have never lied about my qualifications but I know lots of people who have. I know Irish people who claim to have degrees they do not have. I know several people who changed the subject of their qualifications on their applications.

A recruitment agent I had a private conversation with, said she believed most of the qualifications and experience she saw on CVs were lies.

And a story from the 90s: Back in the mid 90s -when companies were looking for certified Cisco engineers. The qualification was very new - and you had to travel to England to sit an exam. A guy I knew who was running a networking company was asked by a client to verified the certifications. And what he found was there was only 20 certified cisco engineers in the country. The hundreds of others claiming the qualification were all lying. He had hundreds of CVs - they were all lying.

People are slimy. And that's what you have to live with. Even a few years back a few of the teaching staff at the Smurfit business school were found out for lying about their qualifications. A few were less qualified than their students.


Ever hear of the Air Lingus carpenter. Magically transforms into an experienced carpenter somewhere over the Atlantic, before the plane lands in Boston.

whiteonion

Spadina wrote: »

OP if you can afford it you might as well pick a country and go for it. I moved to Canada with basic qualifications (no degree, but leaving cert and FETAC stuff), ended up in a great job that I had no experience for at all, but I got the job because they liked me and thought I was up to it (it included working with sick animals which not everyone is cut out for). My FETAC award in Interior Design got me absolutely nowhere! Temp agencies can find work for you based on your strengths if you don't have any area that you are qualified/have experience in, then once you prove yourself as a good worker by doing a few temp positions you get more and more, with more and more responsibilities and experiences, and then go from there.

How do you get a visa to move to Canada with no qualifications? I got the impression that they were very strict with work visas and the only option for someone without qualifications is a working holiday visa.

krd

whiteonion wrote: »

How do you get a visa to move to Canada with no qualifications? I got the impression that they were very strict with work visas and the only option for someone without qualifications is a working holiday visa.

You score points for things like your age and experience. Canada is looking for people. They just need people. A barber does not need a degree to cut hair. Canada needs people to do things like cut hair.

The US is harder. You generally need a degree to get a HB1, work visa. And they're hard enough to come by.

Acoshla

whiteonion wrote: »

How do you get a visa to move to Canada with no qualifications? I got the impression that they were very strict with work visas and the only option for someone without qualifications is a working holiday visa.

I did go on the one year working holiday visa, but at least it would be a start for the OP and you can get sponsored to say on if your job needs you, my employer actually wanted me to stay and were willing to apply for this but I was coming home regardless. I just figured if the OP wants to move abroad they could get the 1 year for somewhere anyway and take it from there, maybe move on to another country or around the EU etc.

purefear

Go to Poland and teach english.

Eve_Dublin

Or Spain! I've been in Spain for a over a year and a half with a TEFL certificate (about 500 Euro), which they didn't check for. I do have a degree but they asked for no evidence of qualifications of any kind. That's how it works in Spain generally, apparently. I would recommend you at least do the TEFL cert though just so you have an idea of what you're doing(I would have done the CELTA at the time but didn't have the time). The money is not great (I get about 1350 after tax), you get paid per hour and there's zero job security, no paid holidays (month off at xmas and a month or two in the Summer plus all their holy days as well) but I make enough to live on and have a bit of fun. I know people who make a lot more but work more hours than me and have the balls to charge more for private classes. If all you're looking for is a job elsewhere to ride the crisis out, then teaching English might be for you.

The Spanish are useless at English by European standards, so there should be a demand for teachers for quite some time. That's what I'm hoping anyway!

Living here is great by the way....24 degrees today :-)

Aishae

im just curious about the last post - my aunt helps out with english class in a spanish primary school - do you need a good understanding of the spanish language to teah tefl? the class my aunt helps with isnt a TEFL thing so she doesnt need qualifications (such as fluent spanish) though she does have some spanish.

krd

Aishae wrote: »

im just curious about the last post - my aunt helps out with english class in a spanish primary school - do you need a good understanding of the spanish language to teah tefl? the class my aunt helps with isnt a TEFL thing so she doesnt need qualifications (such as fluent spanish) though she does have some spanish.

To teach TEFL you do not need to know the language of the people you are teaching.

This can actually help them. As they're forced to speak to you in English. Possibly the best way to learn a language is to have no other option but to speak it.