Facebook - "Justice for Martine" and how Coca-cola eventually caved!

Biggins

Interesting article in the Times today. Its a long one so if fellow members are interested, here it is: http://img806.imageshack.us/img806/3103/20110403093754.jpg also Newsweek article: http://www.newsweek.com/2011/03/20/some-justice-for-martine.html

The justice for Martine Facebook page: http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=159525343424

The short version: that a man from Yemen is suspected of murdering a Norwegian girl. The supposed killer escaped to his home country and there is no extradition treaty to get him. His father refuses to hand his son over for the girls murder trial - the father being involved in many international big companies who after a still on running Facebook campaign, has been told to "go away" by many well known names who don't want to be connected to a man that protects a possible murderer. Coke-Cola although initially telling the victims family in a polite way, to get stuffed, retracted their position and eventually did the same. They saw that they were wrong to be employing a man that was shielding a possible killer from justice - besides peeing off the Norway government.

Now I'm not a fan of facebook some of the time but I have to say, I think this is an awesome way that pressure can be brought on bear on people, companies and even Yemen governments to see that Justice and a killer can be made pay for their crimes.

In this case - its a case of "well done Facebook" and I hope the Justice For Martine eventually succeeds.

+1 for Facebook and all those that signed up.

It goes to show the power of the internet sometimes and how with one page, many people around the word can be connected.

Mike 1972

Biggins wrote: »

Coke-Cola although initially telling the victims family in a polite way, to get stuffed, retracted their position and eventually did the same. They saw that they were wrong to be employing a man that was shielding a possible killer from justice.

Hopefully they will now follow through and adopt a similar policy in relation to the right wing paramilitary squads who murder trade unionists in Columbia ?

karma_

Mike 1972 wrote: »

Hopefully they will now follow through and adopt a similar policy in relation to the right wing paramilitary squads who murder trade unionists in Columbia ?

Fat chance of that.

Biggins

Mike 1972 wrote: »

Hopefully they will now follow through and adopt a similar policy in relation to the right wing paramilitary squads who murder trade unionists in Columbia ?

Indeed.

The abuses there Coca-cola have done also in their fight to steal water supplies from the people there is another matter too.
Disgraceful behavior from Coke overall.

orourkeda

What happened to innocent until PROVEN guilty?

Spore

orourkeda wrote: »

What happened to innocent until PROVEN guilty?

The time for presumption of innocence has passed. It passed when the suspect borded a plane to Egypt and proceeded to Yemen, a country with no extradition laws with Britain. A girl was raped and murdered. Her family want justice. But your first reaction was in favour of the murderer. How do you sleep at night?

Biggins

I did say the man was "suspected of murdering" and that the father could be seen to be hiding such a suspected killer.

As to the mans actions themselves after the death of the girl, each of us can only draw our own opinions.

Irish Fire

orourkeda wrote: »

What happened to innocent until PROVEN guilty?

Spore wrote: »

The time for presumption of innocence has passed. It passed when the suspect borded a plane to Egypt and proceeded to Yemen, a country with no extradition laws with Britain. A girl was raped and murdered. Her family want justice. But your first reaction was in favour of the murderer. QUOTE]


I doubt very much that orourkeda is "in favour of the murderer", while I do agree that this man does look guilty but putting this aside and regardless of your "the time for presumption of innocence has passed" under most laws this person is innocent until proven guilty. This is an open forum and everyone is allowed to comment and to be honest I think it is rather insulting on your part to ask another poster how do they sleep at night? when they are quoting fact.

Alter-Ego

Spore wrote: »

The time for presumption of innocence has passed. It passed when the suspect borded a plane to Egypt and proceeded to Yemen, a country with no extradition laws with Britain. A girl was raped and murdered. Her family want justice. But your first reaction was in favour of the murderer. How do you sleep at night?

Thats a bit heavy.

WoollyRedHat

I haven't seen the times in ages

Locked Messed Monster

WoollyRedHat wrote: »

I haven't seen the times in ages

Nor moi. I doubt the Sunday Times would be over the moon to see their paid stuff being reproduced.

Poor lady all the same. Hope she does get justice one day.

WoollyRedHat

Yeah think it's a copyright issue seeing as all content is behind a paywall

Awful story though, mad the way they can't extradite him.

Paparazzo

Facebook is great. Remember it stopped pedophilia when everyone changed their profile pics to cartoon characters?

Irish Fire

Paparazzo wrote: »

Facebook is great. Remember it stopped pedophilia when everyone changed their profile pics to cartoon characters?

Think you need to elaborate on that a little…….

mikemac

Spore wrote: »

The time for presumption of innocence has passed. It passed when the suspect borded a plane to Egypt and proceeded to Yemen, a country with no extradition laws with Britain. A girl was raped and murdered. Her family want justice. But your first reaction was in favour of the murderer. How do you sleep at night?

Maybe he felt he would not get a fair trial in the UK with the media and social media coverage?

entropi

Paparazzo wrote: »

Facebook is great. Remember it stopped pedophilia when everyone changed their profile pics to cartoon characters?

Oh yeah that one...and do you remember the campaign about trying to stop cruelty and violence against children? When people started changing their profile pics for that, I suddenly had the urge to punch a small child in the face.

Some of the stuff is very helpful, and works as per the story in the thread post up top...but most it will not.

I do hope that the guy is brought for trial, and that the family somehow see a way of justice being completed.

Biggins

feelingstressed wrote: »

Maybe he felt he would not get a fair trial in Norway with the media and social media coverage?

...And he came to that conclusion with an hour or two or her murder so made for the airport?

Possible indeed but questionable also.

mikemac

Corrected myself

Fair trial in UK and not Norway, that's what I meant

Biggins

feelingstressed wrote: »

Corrected myself

Fair trial in UK and not Norway, that's what I meant

I suppose he could try and use that excuse but if I was sitting on a jury, I won't swallow it - but thats just me.

irishdude11

Biggins wrote: »

Interesting article in the Times today. Its a long one so if fellow members are interested, here it is: http://img806.imageshack.us/img806/3103/20110403093754.jpg also Newsweek article: http://www.newsweek.com/2011/03/20/some-justice-for-martine.html

The justice for Martine Facebook page: http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=159525343424

The short version: that a man from Yemen is suspected of murdering a Norwegian girl. The supposed killer escaped to his home country and there is no extradition treaty to get him. His father refuses to hand his son over for the girls murder trial - the father being involved in many international big companies who after a still on running Facebook campaign, has been told to "go away" by many well known names who don't want to be connected to a man that protects a possible murderer. Coke-Cola although initially telling the victims family in a polite way, to get stuffed, retracted their position and eventually did the same. They saw that they were wrong to be employing a man that was shielding a possible killer from justice - besides peeing off the Norway government.

Now I'm not a fan of facebook some of the time but I have to say, I think this is an awesome way that pressure can be brought on bear on people, companies and even Yemen governments to see that Justice and a killer can be made pay for their crimes.

In this case - its a case of "well done Facebook" and I hope the Justice For Martine eventually succeeds.

+1 for Facebook and all those that signed up.

It goes to show the power of the internet sometimes and how with one page, many people around the word can be connected.

I dont get it. Some psycho murdered a girl and his father is having his business ruined over it. How is the father in any way responsible? I it take the murderer is not a child so how is the father supposed to 'hand his son over'. And even if he could somehow hand him over, there is no extradition treaty between Britain and Yemen so there is nowhere to hand him over anyway.

I can't see how ruining an innocent man's life is a case of 'well done Facebook'.

Biggins

irishdude11 wrote: »

I dont get it. Some psycho murdered a girl and his father is having his business ruined over it. How is the father in any way responsible? I it take the murderer is not a child so how is the father supposed to 'hand his son over'. And even if he could somehow hand him over, there is no extradition treaty between Britain and Yemen so there is nowhere to hand him over anyway.

I can't see how ruining an innocent man's life is a case of 'well done Facebook'.

They didn't 'ruin' the man, please be more accurate. His business investments (that runs into millions) have been transferred to alternative businesses.
All that has happened is that he has been pressurised to stop shielding his son from questioning at least, and to get his son to explain his possible running away!

The father is most certainly NOT ruined!

irishdude11

Biggins wrote: »

They didn't 'ruin' the man, please be more accurate. His business investments (that runs into millions) have been transferred to alternative businesses.
All that has happened is that he has been pressurised to stop shielding his son from questioning at least, and to get his son to explain his possible running away!

The father is most certainly NOT ruined!

Well, maybe ruined is too strong a word as I'm sure he still has plenty of cash but this has a disastrous effect on his business(es). He has lost contracts with mercedes, coca cola, etc...and that will really hurt his reputation in the business world. You ask any businessman who has spent their life building their business what it is like to have something like this happen to them...

He is being punished when he did no wrong. It is completely ridiculous. Why do you say he is shielding the son from questioning? How is he shielding him, there is no extradition treaty, the son is free to do what he likes in yemen. And so what if the father told him 'you have to go to britain to face trial' do you actually think he would just say 'ok so da'? There is no way in hell this psycho murderer will set foot in britain ever again of his own accord.

From what I can see some people are saying he 'aided his son's escape from britain' because the son used his fathers private jet. Yeah, the son left britain on the private jet mere hours after the murder before anyone even knew he did it, ffs. And it shows how common sense has been completely overlooked by the mob when they are using this as a reason to attribute blame to the father.

In the end this disgraceful targetting of the father is complete mob hysteria. An innocent successful businessman is having his life's work ruined completely unjustly.

biko

Somehow I don't think either father nor son will starve.

The Martine Vik Magnussen case involves the rape and murder of a 23-year-old Norwegian female business student.
She was found in the basement of an apartment block, hidden under rubble, in a block of flats in Great Portland Street, London on 16 March 2008.
She died from compression to the neck, because of strangulation.

Scotland Yard wishes to question the man that Magnussen left the club with on the night she was murdered, Farouk Abdulhak, the son of billionaire and one of Yemen's wealthiest men, Shaher Abdulhak.
Farouk Abdulhak and Vik Magnussen were seen leaving the Maddox nightclub in the early hours of 14 March, and getting into a cab together. He lived in the block of flats where she was found.

This case reminds me of the killing of a servant in London by Saud Abdulaziz bin Nasser al Saud. Rich people thinking they are above the law and that their family connections will keep them from harm.

Biggins

irishdude11 wrote: »

...How is he shielding him...

Well lets see, he is still funding the son (adult by the way) while the said son continues to attend further education, etc, we can assume that the son is not working then so the father is paying for the sons accommodation and food probably besides other monetary expenses that one accumulates in daily living, be it meals or just going for drinks.

If my son had acted the way his son has, there is NO way in hell I would want him in my home (besides possibly funding him too), never mind the possibility that he was of a murderous nature! (which is another aspect, who's safe?) There is no way I would let myself be funding a possible murderer - son or not.

The father by supporting a possible murderer - a very likely one according to the actions of the son - deserves everything he gets in my eyes. I might be damn wrong but at least HIS son his still alive! The least he should do is see that the son/adult is questioned by the proper authorities - that is if he had had modicum of decency in him at all.
Meanwhile a murdered girl now does not have the opportunity like a murderer, to avail of further education, live, breath and enjoy life.

Frankly - as long as he is still funding the lifestyle of a possible murderer, he deserves every bit of pressure he gets!
Again, if the dad was worried - even the smallest bit - about his business name and reputation ANYWAY - he's see to it that no possible murderer or victim is attached to his family or name!

"Ruined" my bloody backside!

Logical Fallacy

Paparazzo wrote: »

Facebook is great. Remember it stopped pedophilia when everyone changed their profile pics to cartoon characters?

And it both cured breast cancer and empowered women the world over when they talked about where they "liked it".

in the bum