6 xc

John 5 · 29-03-2011 9:19pm #1

Does any one know if or were can i buy 6 xc ammo in ireland? ?

Tackleberrywho · 29-03-2011 9:24pm

John 5 wrote: »

Does any one know if or were can i buy 6 xc ammo in ireland? ?

Any Norma dealer can get it

John 5 · 29-03-2011 9:30pm

Thanks.do you know is there much choice in what can be got?

Tackleberrywho · 29-03-2011 9:38pm

John 5 wrote: »

Thanks.do you know is there much choice in what can be got?

http://www.norma.cc/assets/promotion/6xc-a4-vertikal.eng.08.pdf

Only this at the mo, unless you try HPS

John 5 · 29-03-2011 9:46pm

sound. cheers for that tac.

Tackleberrywho · 29-03-2011 9:56pm

John 5 wrote: »

sound. cheers for that tac.

Very new round so very few offerings available.

I held a box of Norma in my hands so I know it can be got here.

Tomcat220 on boards shoots it.

A .243 tweaked to perform better.

Savage @ distance shooting.
It is a serious 1000 yard calibre Over 3000 f/s+
I Was very near rechambering my .223 in 6XC.

I'll get one built one of these days.
I'm just waiting for them to offer a few more ammo types

customrifle · 29-03-2011 10:53pm

The norma factory ammo is good tac. The es is in the teens if i recall right. Was running it through my rifle few weeks ago and at 300yards in a gusting 10-15mph wind put 10-12 rounds into well under an inch. I was quite impressed with it in those conditions. The mv is at the 3000fps aswell.

Tikka Jim · 30-03-2011 1:11pm

"A .243 tweaked to perform better."

The 22-250 is its parent case. The .243 is a .308 tweaked for better performance:D!

johngalway · 30-03-2011 1:42pm

Moved to the main Shooting forum, it'll get more exposure and answers here as the thread isn't strictly Hunting

Tackleberrywho · 30-03-2011 4:01pm

Tikka Jim wrote: »

"A .243 tweaked to perform better."

The 22-250 is its parent case. The .243 is a .308 tweaked for better performance:D!

A 6XC is .243 6mm.
A hybrid of .243 and .22-250

If you had a .243 and a 6XC in hand the only obvious difference is teh length of the bullet head.

I've a pic at home of 2 together.

I'll post later tonight when I get a chance

Tackleberrywho · 30-03-2011 5:52pm

as promised

A very similar, yet very different

John 5 · 30-03-2011 5:54pm

Iv been told that they'll nearly run with 6.5x284's in the wind an give a much better barrel life?

It wasn't me! · 30-03-2011 6:44pm

John 5 wrote: »

Iv been told that they'll nearly run with 6.5x284's in the wind an give a much better barrel life?

Pretty close. Really strong winds, the heavier bullets will outrun them, but the extra barrel life and decreased recoil makes it a serious proposition above the 6.5-284 and the 7mm mags.

tomcat220t · 30-03-2011 6:45pm

John 5 wrote: »

Iv been told that they'll nearly run with 6.5x284's in the wind an give a much better barrel life?

6xc has very little recoil and around 3-4 times the barrel life of the 6.5x284 .And as tac said ,very accurate @1000 yards.

customrifle · 30-03-2011 7:44pm

Appreciated those factory rounds to try out tomcat was impressed with them. We must organise some long range stuff to see how they run further out:D

tomcat220t · 30-03-2011 8:12pm

customrifle wrote: »

Appreciated those factory rounds to try out tomcat was impressed with them. We must organise some long range stuff to see how they run further out:D

We will meet up again over the coming weeks and do some long range shooting .

John 5 · 30-03-2011 9:02pm

wear would be a good place to get one built?

customrifle · 30-03-2011 9:35pm

Fergal White in Athlone has built a couple of rifles for me, and they have both been tackdriver. Hes a sound fella too, has a refreshing no bullsh!#t approach towards his customers. If you want something and its not available or there is a bit of a wait on it he ll tell you straight out instead of the usual "oh it ll be here next week" that you get from some lads

tomcat220t · 31-03-2011 8:36am

John 5 wrote: »

wear would be a good place to get one built?

My 6xc was built by Fergal White aswell .The build is based on a standard remmy short action ,bedded stock and krieger barrel.(Notthing Fancy!)Theres no secret as to how well his builds shoot and the hassle service he provides . My build was no exception ....i had it out some weeks ago and it was holding a solid .5 moa @900 yards .Having shot the 6xc for some time now ,the best way i can describe it,its very simple to shoot at those distances .The recoil is some where between a .223 and a .22- 250:eek:.I cant think of any other factory caliber that brings so much to the table for its size :cool:

John 5 · 31-03-2011 9:19am

A few of the guy's iv meet at the range have had 7mm's built by a fella called dave 0'hara. talk about flat line elevations at 1000 yard's. from what i here he wont sell a gun till it's shooting 1/4 moa? he advised me to go with the 6xc as im looking to do some target shooting an some hunting with the same rig while tryin to keep the cost down.

tomcat220t · 31-03-2011 10:10am

John 5 wrote: »

A few of the guy's iv meet at the range have had 7mm's built by a fella called dave 0'hara. talk about flat line elevations at 1000 yard's. from what i here he wont sell a gun till it's shooting 1/4 moa? he advised me to go with the 6xc as im looking to do some target shooting an some hunting with the same rig while tryin to keep the cost down.

So that i have this right ....Hes guaranteeing 1/4 moa @ 1k

.Is this what Dave said or what you heard ?

long range sniper · 31-03-2011 10:31am

Chaps im only a new user here so if im not following the thread correctly keep me right. I am interested in the 6 xc and I am thinking of getting one does any body know where there is a second hand one .My budget is tight at the minute and I cant afford a custom job. Is it possible to get a rifle to shoot 2.5" AT 1000 mtrs?

John 5 · 31-03-2011 10:39am

he said at any range. but him an the guy's are shooting at 5'' target at 1000 yard's so there guns need to groupe 1/4 moa or under. conditons allowing ofcorse.

long range sniper · 31-03-2011 10:45am

john
Thats amazing accuracy i never thought that would be capable.
whats the 6xc like at long range will it hold quarter minutes at 1000 mtrs also is it good for hunting?

tomcat220t · 31-03-2011 10:52am

John 5 wrote: »

he said at any range. but him an the guy's are shooting at 5'' target at 1000 yard's so there guns need to groupe 1/4 moa or under. conditons allowing ofcorse.

5" @ 1000 yards is .5moa not .250 moa .Im not a target shooter ,just like my hunting and if i can shoot a 4.5" group at 900 yards (.5 moa)with a relatively cheap (hunting setup) id say thats more to be said about my the build rather that myself .

John 5 · 31-03-2011 10:58am

This guy might be able to give u better ansers than me. david@theballisticlab.com

tomcat220t · 31-03-2011 11:10am

John 5 wrote: »

This guy might be able to give u better ansers than me. david@theballisticlab.com

No offence John or who ever ya are but i have the results for myself with my setup.I cant comment on target groups in the midlands or else where but there is a big competition coming up soon with the yanks (creedmoor cup).Ill call up and see your quarter inch groups then if ya like ?Is there any point of the yanks turning up for this ,at all?

Cass · 31-03-2011 11:19am

John 5 wrote: »

A few of the guy's iv meet at the range have had 7mm's built by a fella called dave 0'hara.

Thats odd. I thought he has had all his rifles built by Fergal White.

John 5 wrote: »

he said at any range. but him an the guy's are shooting at 5'' target at 1000 yard's .............

Lads allow me to clarify something. You are not shooting at a 5" target at 1,000 yards. You are shooting at a 4 foot target at 1,000 yards. The scoring rings reduce inwards to a bulleye, but it is not the sole target.

John 5 · 31-03-2011 11:30am

I think your miss understanding me there tomcat? Did i say i could shoot 1/4 moa group's? No i didnt!. but there is fella's that can. an thats in elevation. wind drift is another matter.? as for the creedmore id love to enter it if i have a long range rifle in time?

tomcat220t · 31-03-2011 11:42am

John 5 wrote: »

I think your miss understanding me there tomcat? Did i say i could shoot 1/4 moa group's? No i didnt!. but there is fella's that can. an thats in elevation. wind drift is another matter.? as for the creedmore id love to enter it if i have a long range rifle in time?

No misunderstanding at all ....best of luck with chat

dCorbus · 31-03-2011 1:26pm

.25 MOA groups at 1000yds? :eek:

Not f'in likely, IMvhO (That's roughly a 2.5in group at 1000 BTW)
I haven't seen any rifle around these here parts shoot that size group at 1000yds. That would be a guaranteed clean with 75 + 15V's everyday with plenty of room to spare!

John 5 wrote: »

Did i say i could shoot 1/4 moa group's? No i didnt!. but there is fella's that can.

Not sure that there are fella's that can - The smallest groups that I know of shot at 1000yds in competition in Ireland were AFAIK shot by a .308 and, whilst the group-sizes were excellent, they were no way near .25 MOA in size. And those groups were shot by a lad who's probably one of the best, if not the best, long-range target shooters we've got in the country shooting competitively at the moment.

John 5 wrote: »

thats in elevation. wind drift is another matter.?

.25MOA vertical grouping at 1000yd, is an entirely different kettle of fish to your earlier statement that "from what i here he wont sell a gun till it's shooting 1/4 moa".

Are you quite sure about that statement, coz I don't think even Dave (whilst he's a bloody good shooter) would consistently hold 1/4MOA at 1000yds and I'd be very surprised to hear him say that he could. I may be wrong.

I too thought Dave's rifles were all built by Fergal White.

Ill call up and see your quarter inch groups then if ya like ?

I don't think anyone who's actually in the running to shoot in that competition is "bragging" about achieving 1/4MOA groups at 1000yds TBH.

Is there any point of the yanks turning up for this ,at all?

Only time will tell!;);):D

patsat · 31-03-2011 2:16pm

Would I be right in saying that a .308, .243, .22-250 or a 7mm-08 action could be rebarrelled to a 6xc without any extra work having to be done to the bolt or action??

Might be a useful point for anyone thinking of building one, they could pick up a handy donor action in one of those actions!

customrifle · 31-03-2011 2:28pm

Thats right patsat. Mine was a 308 before it was converted:D

Tackleberrywho · 31-03-2011 4:44pm

patsat wrote: »

Would I be right in saying that a .308, .243, .22-250 or a 7mm-08 action could be rebarrelled to a 6xc without any extra work having to be done to the bolt or action??

Might be a useful point for anyone thinking of building one, they could pick up a handy donor action in one of those actions!

If I were you Pat that is the route I would take with your .22-250.

Very similar round yet more long range capabilities.

v7wsm · 31-03-2011 4:54pm

Hi Guys
Its Dave O'Hara here. Ive had quite a few texts today telling me my name was getting about today. Id just like to clear a few things up.
It is possible to get a rifle to group .25 moa or less. This will depend on many things though, caliber, barrel condition, weather, barometric pressure and of course the shooter himself. Its not possible to guarantee any group at any distance as we dont have control over all the variables listed above. But yes my rifle will group .25 moa at 1000 yards and has done its even shot .2098 moa at 1000 yards.
The current Irish bench rest records are held by myself in open at 4.1" and Adrian Casey in F.T.R 4.6" both at 1000 yards. Bear in mind the current world B.R group at 1000 yards is 1.4 " and the B.R shooters are waiting on officials to authenticate a 1.152" 1000 group. I have previously had Fergal re barrel rifles for me but I am now shooting my own rifles. I hope this clears things up guys. As for the 6 xc its a great caliber for long range target work and suitable for hunting also. Thanks Guys
Regards
Dave

patsat · 31-03-2011 4:54pm

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

If I were you Pat that is the route I would take with your .22-250.

Very similar round yet more long range capabilities.

Plenty of life left in that barrel yet tack!

When it comes to getting a rebarrel then it depends on whether I want to compete in Ftr but I have a lot of trigger time before that will be assessed!

dCorbus · 31-03-2011 5:13pm

Thanks for the clarification, v7wsm.:cool:
Sorry for thinking it was AC who held the record. My bad.:o

Tackleberrywho · 31-03-2011 5:23pm

patsat wrote: »

Plenty of life left in that barrel yet tack!

When it comes to getting a rebarrel then it depends on whether I want to compete in Ftr but I have a lot of trigger time before that will be assessed!

You could always go .308 either if you wanted a more affordable round.

A fello Munster man got 4.6"'s with his@ 1000 yards.
That to me is where I am aiming.

Don't know if I'll ever get there as I have no patience, in fact I think I have ADHD

:D

v7wsm · 31-03-2011 5:30pm

Hi Dcorbus
No trouble dude Adrian does hold the record for the F.T.R and there is very little between his group and mine:)

v7wsm · 31-03-2011 5:33pm

Hi Tackleberry
Dont give up dude keep shooting for those groups!!
Im not sure if I read the thread properly earlier but Patsat if you are thinking of changing to a 6 xc you will have to shoot open as F.T.R is restricted to .223 or .308 . If I have picked you wrong apologies.

long range sniper · 31-03-2011 5:38pm

v7wsm
thanking you for the reply i dint think it was capable of getting 2.5 minutes at 1000 mtrs. can i pm you for some details on the 6xc what weight of heads do you recommend. and what barrels also.

patsat · 31-03-2011 5:43pm

v7wsm wrote: »

Im not sure if I read the thread properly earlier but Patsat if you are thinking of changing to a 6 xc you will have to shoot open as F.T.R is restricted to .223 or .308 . If I have picked you wrong apologies.

You picked me up wrong!

I'm heading towards .308 but if i'm not interested in Ftr by the time i'm going for a barrel I may get a 6xc or something else!

No better way to beat the best than buy their tools off them!

v7wsm · 31-03-2011 5:46pm

Hi Long range
Yes it is possible Im just checking here your talking about .25 M.O.A at 1000 yards not 2.5 M.O.A. If you are dude then read my reply above its possible but not guaranteed. The best head option for you is a 105 thats the heaviest bullet you can buy in the Norma range as for barrels I dont want to endorse anyones products (or dis anyones) but the usual ones are all good...Krieger,Bartlein,Broughton,etc etc
Regards
V7wsm

long range sniper · 31-03-2011 5:48pm

thanking you v7wsm

v7wsm · 31-03-2011 5:51pm

Hi Patsat
Sorry dude . Give F.T.R a good look or even better F Open:D
The captain and Vice captain of the F.T.R squad do a great job and the guys in the team are all great. Call up to one of their training sessions to watch you will be impressed!

patsat · 31-03-2011 6:00pm

Joining Midlands in the summer all going well and we will see where I go from there!

Just out of curiousity how does Adrians Ftr Irish record weigh up against the world record?

Tackleberrywho · 31-03-2011 6:08pm

v7wsm wrote: »

Hi Tackleberry
Dont give up dude keep shooting for those groups!!
Im not sure if I read the thread properly earlier but Patsat if you are thinking of changing to a 6 xc you will have to shoot open as F.T.R is restricted to .223 or .308 . If I have picked you wrong apologies.

I'm always chasing the ultimate long range Varmint round.

I have a couple of Fields with bunnies out to almost 1000 yards.
I'd be more than happy if I could pop them out to 600+ at the mo.

457 is my longest to date, but I have not repeated it.
I may get Technical, get a chrono, and work out a proper drop chart.

And ring up God and get him to cancel the wind on the days I am shooting

v7wsm · 31-03-2011 6:10pm

Hi Patsat
Thats great news its one of the best ranges in the world and has 1200 yards

:D:D
There is a great offer on at the minute where you get 15 months for the price of 12!
In Benchrest heavy gun unlimited which is shot at 1000 yards there is no open and restricted category its unlimited weight and open to any caliber. So they dont really compare having said that Adrian is world class and his gun shoots great. We will be running a Benchrest championship shoot at the annual champs in May at M.N.S.C.I then when we get the Creedmoor over we will have a dedicated Benchrest league which will be very popular. The current world record (5 shot group) is 1.4" at 1000 yards :cool:Hopefully see you at the range dude.
Regards
V7wsm

patsat · 31-03-2011 6:21pm

v7wsm wrote: »

Hi Patsat
Thats great news its one of the best ranges in the world and has 1200 yards :D:D
There is a great offer on at the minute where you get 15 months for the price of 12!
In Benchrest heavy gun unlimited which is shot at 1000 yards there is no open and restricted category its unlimited weight and open to any caliber. So they dont really compare having said that Adrian is world class and his gun shoots great. We will be running a Benchrest championship shoot at the annual champs in May at M.N.S.C.I then when we get the Creedmoor over we will have a dedicated Benchrest league which will be very popular. The current world record (5 shot group) is 1.4" at 1000 yards :cool:Hopefully see you at the range dude.
Regards
V7wsm

Sorry for not making my question clear... What I meant was what is the world FTR record?? In comparsion to the irish record??

v7wsm · 31-03-2011 6:27pm

Hi Patsat
As far as I know there is no group FTR record only score. No one uses a .308 for heavy bench as it would be massively out gunned by other calibres.
The score record which I witnessed was in Blair Athol in Scotland on a very unusal day where there was zero wind it was like a vacum and a guy called Stuart Anselm shot a 75 with 10 But again you need the conditions.
Regards
V7wsm

Tikka Jim · 31-03-2011 6:36pm

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

as promised

A very similar, yet very different

Here is a pic of a 22-250 V .243 for comparison
https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/kKIzR_RECLgwAQIDcVHomg?feat=directlink

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