What is Sinn Fein's stance on the Libyian situation?

effluent · 25-03-2011 8:50pm #1

Have they ever been asked about the crisis in Libya?

I've heard a few politicians talk about it already, I haven't heard Sinn Fein yet?

jakdelad · 25-03-2011 9:10pm

interesting to hear what view the baron has on it

have you checked out the new smile???

Can'tseeme · 26-03-2011 10:11am

Conor Murphy has been asked about this on a BBC debate programme a few weeks back when it was all kicking off in Libya. He clearly said that he would support any people who wish to revolt against an oppressive state.

johngalway · 26-03-2011 10:29am

effluent wrote: »

Have they ever been asked about the crisis in Libya?

I've heard a few politicians talk about it already, I haven't heard Sinn Fein yet?

Perhaps they will send arms to Ghadaffi?

ei.sdraob · 26-03-2011 10:30am

johngalway wrote: »

Perhaps they will send arms to Ghadaffi?

You mean send them back

mike65 · 26-03-2011 10:31am

Bet he wasn't saying that in 1984, oh wait....(I guess it depends which oppressive state eh?)

old hippy · 26-03-2011 10:32am

I imagine Sinn Fein, being a normal political party, will support the people of Libya in their endeavours. As any normal political party would.

Denerick · 26-03-2011 11:34am

They must be gutted to see their old patron in such bother. Maybe they can round up a few lads to give him a dig out. Gadaffi was always generous with the Republican movement here in little old Ireland, perhaps the favour should be returned.

Can'tseeme · 26-03-2011 12:18pm

Maybe Tony Blair and the British Labour Party can give his old friend a helping hand. Sure they've been great mates, exchanging gifts and prisoners over the last few years.

Denerick · 26-03-2011 12:19pm

Can'tseeme wrote: »

Maybe Tony Blair and the British Labour Party can give his old friend a helping hand. Sure they've been great mates, exchanging gifts and prisoners over the last few years.

Any better than exchanging AK47s?

Euroland · 26-03-2011 12:52pm

It would be great to see at least a few IRA members fighting on the side of Libyan patriots against Western crusaders and Islamist separatists.

dlofnep · 26-03-2011 12:56pm

As a supporter of SF, all I can say is that my sympathies are with the people being oppressed by Gaddafi. I don't care what arms he provided the IRA - He's a ruthless dictator, and I support the Libyan people in their quest for true freedom and democracy.

dlofnep · 26-03-2011 12:57pm

Denerick wrote: »

Any better than exchanging AK47s?

Britain provided heaps of arms to Gaddafi.

Can'tseeme · 26-03-2011 1:04pm

Denerick wrote: »

Any better than exchanging AK47s?

My point exactly.

The IRA had to get their armour from somewhere, Libya were willing back in the 80's.

Btw, do you support the Libyan rebels and their violence against the state?

Euroland · 26-03-2011 1:05pm

dlofnep wrote: »

As a supporter of SF, all I can say is that my sympathies are with the people being oppressed by Gaddafi. I don't care what arms he provided the IRA - He's a ruthless dictator, and I support the Libyan people in their quest for true freedom and democracy.

1) So, how about Obama being ruthless aggressor? When he will return his Nobel Prize?

2) 70-75% of Libyan people support Kaddafi, and only Islamist separatists, backed by Western crusaders, are fighting against the majority.

dlofnep · 26-03-2011 1:27pm

Euroland wrote: »

1) So, how about Obama being ruthless aggressor? When he will return his Nobel Prize?

Whataboutery. What has Obama to do with anything? I said I supported the Libyan people. I didn't once mention Obama.

Euroland wrote: »

2) 70-75% of Libyan people support Kaddafi, and only Islamist separatists, backed by Western crusaders, are fighting against the majority.

A similar percentage of Germany supported Hitler's actions. It doesn't make it right. Any I'd hazard a guess that many support him out of fear. The reality is, he is a dictator who has murdered his own people.

Hannibal · 26-03-2011 1:39pm

To quote Gerry Adams speaking last month:

"Sinn Féin has no links with Col Gaddafi whatsoever and never had links with Libya. We support oppressed people throughout the world, their right to national self determination, democratic rights and we're against the type of action that's been taken in that country and Col Gaddafi should go"

caseyann · 26-03-2011 2:01pm

Dotsey wrote: »

To quote Gerry Adams speaking last month:

"Sinn Féin has no links with Col Gaddafi whatsoever and never had links with Libya. We support oppressed people throughout the world, their right to national self determination, democratic rights and we're against the type of action that's been taken in that country and Col Gaddafi should go"

Agreed it was IRA who had links with him and since they are disbanded no longer have any ties with them.

I think it is quite comedic that they believe Gerry Adams ever had any dealings with Gaddafi,yet they have pictures of nearly every other prime minister or president in world kissing his butt.Yet people try to make Sinn Féin out to be the only ones who didnt have links as the ones who should be condemning him.
When Sinn féin already released a statement calling on him to step down and condemning the actions of his against the people.

Euroland · 26-03-2011 2:23pm

dlofnep wrote: »

Whataboutery. What has Obama to do with anything? I said I supported the Libyan people. I didn't once mention Obama.

In the eyes of vast majority of Libyans Obama is a ruthless aggressor, but Kaddafi is a hero.

Euroland · 26-03-2011 2:26pm

dlofnep wrote: »

A similar percentage of Germany supported Hitler's actions. It doesn't make it right.

So, who decides what is right and what is wrong? The US president?

Hannibal · 26-03-2011 2:27pm

caseyann wrote: »

Agreed it was IRA who had links with him and since they are disbanded no longer have any ties with them.

I think it is quite comedic that they believe Gerry Adams ever had any dealings with Gaddafi, yet they have pictures of nearly every other prime minister or president in world kissing his butt. Yet people try to make Sinn Féin out to be the only ones who didnt have links as the ones who should be condemning him.
When Sinn Féin already released a statement calling on him to step down and condemning the actions of his against the people.

Certain countries like the US and UK have always had relations with tyrannys like Iraq, Saudi, Israel, Zimbabwe and are happy to get into bed when it suits them.
I don't think whats going on in Libya is comparable to the situation in Israel/Palestine, there's a humanitarian crisis in Gaza that's comparable to slow strangulation yet there's rarely a big outcry by the big countries. Israel are in breach of the UN yet nothing, and they come down like a ton of bricks on Gaddafi.

Euroland · 26-03-2011 2:27pm

dlofnep wrote: »

he is a dictator who has murdered his own people.

Who told you that? Western propaganda machine?

Euroland · 26-03-2011 2:29pm

Dotsey wrote: »

Certain countries like the US and UK have always had relations with tyrannys like Iraq, Saudi, Israel, Zimbabwe and are happy to get into bed when it suits them.
I think don't think whats going on in Libya is comparable to the situation in Israel/Palestine, there's a humanitarian crisis in Gaza that's comparable to slow strangulation yet there's rarely a big outcry by the big countries. Israel are in breach of the UN yet nothing, and they come down like a ton of bricks on Gaddafi.

Yes, Israel is the evil state.

dlofnep · 26-03-2011 2:39pm

Euroland wrote: »

Who told you that? Western propaganda machine?

I seriously can't be arsed entertaining this discussion.

gurramok · 27-03-2011 12:52am

Euroland wrote: »

In the eyes of vast majority of Libyans Obama is a ruthless aggressor, but Kaddafi is a hero.

Did you do a poll?

Funny that out of the millions of Libyans, only a few thousand come out to publicly support him.

Euroland · 27-03-2011 1:46am

gurramok wrote: »

Did you do a poll?

70-75% of Libyan population support Kaddafi, while 25-30% support Al-Qaeda militants

Euroland · 27-03-2011 1:47am

gurramok wrote: »

Funny that out of the millions of Libyans, only a few thousand come out to publicly support him.

Do you want them all to be killed by the Crusaders’ bombings?

gurramok · 27-03-2011 1:48am

Euroland wrote: »

70-75% of Libyan population support Kaddafi, while 25-30% support Al-Qaeda militants

Did you do a poll?

In the Politics forum, you have to back up these kind of figures.

gurramok · 27-03-2011 1:50am

Euroland wrote: »

Do you want them all to be killed by the Crusaders’ bombings?

Have millions come out to support his fight against the 'crusaders'?

Euroland · 27-03-2011 1:54am

gurramok wrote: »

Have millions come out to support his fight against the 'crusaders'?

Yes, many thousands. But, Crusaders mainly fight from the air, killing civilians.

Euroland · 27-03-2011 1:57am

gurramok wrote: »

Did you do a poll?

In the Politics forum, you have to back up these kind of figures.

Just look at the numbers of Al-Qaeda supporters, they represent only a minor part of Libyan population, and a lot of them are foreign.

gurramok · 27-03-2011 1:57am

Euroland wrote: »

Yes, many thousands. But, Crusaders mainly fight from the air, killing civilians.

Oh, we have an answer of 'many thousands' out of a population of 6million+. Millions did not come out to support him before the air campaign started. Why do you keep saying Crusaders, they are a football team in Northern Ireland.

gazmic1 · 27-03-2011 2:01am

ye are talking bout obama. Was Nic Sarcozy(sorry bout spelling) not the first international leader to make a stance and ask for intervention . As far as I can see america don't want to be there and were dragged in by the UN and NATO. I'm no american fan BTW and think the invasion is a bad idea. Whyare world leaders being hypocritcal about it and not condeming Syria or the Saudis or Yemen. It is all about oil.

gurramok · 27-03-2011 2:01am

Euroland wrote: »

Just look at the numbers of Al-Qaeda supporters, they represent only a minor part of Libyan population, and a lot of them are foreign.

How many are there? Provide an unbiased link. (Gadaffi has hired foreign mercenaries)

Euroland · 27-03-2011 2:04am

gurramok wrote: »

Oh, we have an answer of 'many thousands' out of a population of 6million+. Millions did not come out to support him before the air campaign started.

There were enough supporters, the rest were doing their daily routines (someone has to work, mind children, etc).

Euroland · 27-03-2011 2:06am

gurramok wrote: »

Why do you keep saying Crusaders, they are a football team in Northern Ireland.

Read the history books.

Euroland · 27-03-2011 2:09am

gurramok wrote: »

How many are there? Provide an unbiased link. (Gadaffi has hired foreign mercenaries)

Unbiased link is the Sky News. How about unbiased link for “Kaddafi’s mercenaries”?

gurramok · 27-03-2011 2:11am

Euroland wrote: »

There were enough supporters, the rest were doing their daily routines (someone has to work, mind children, etc).

Funny post. Yeh a country with a high unemployment rate where people were apparently too busy to come out onto the street in support of Gadaffi.

Euroland · 27-03-2011 2:12am

gazmic1 wrote: »

ye are talking bout obama. Was Nic Sarcozy(sorry bout spelling) not the first international leader to make a stance and ask for intervention . As far as I can see america don't want to be there and were dragged in by the UN and NATO.

Everything was planned in advance (by the US), including so called “demonstrations”. Sarkozy just made it public.

gurramok · 27-03-2011 2:16am

Euroland wrote: »

Read the history books.

Euroland wrote: »

Unbiased link is the Sky News. How about unbiased link for “Kaddafi’s mercenaries”?

Are you a Gadaffi supporter? Only he is said they are Crusaders. I know my history quite well my friend.

In your twisted logic, how come the rebels(in your view Al Queda) have welcomed the 'Crusaders'?

Oh, the left wing daily Guardian supports the general view about the rape story http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/mar/26/libya-woman-silenced-accusing-gaddafi-forces-rape

So you have no figures at all to back up your claim, then retract it.

Euroland wrote:

70-75% of Libyan population support Kaddafi, while 25-30% support Al-Qaeda militants

Euroland · 27-03-2011 2:21am

gurramok wrote: »

Funny post. Yeh a country with a high unemployment rate where people were apparently too busy to come out onto the street in support of Gadaffi.

1) Who told you about high unemployment in Libya? Before the aggression 2.5 million foreigners were working in Libya, including thousands of Italians and British.

2) BTW, here in Ireland we have very high level of unemployment, however very few people go to march against the government. That doesn’t mean that nobody cares, that means that people have their daily routines.

gurramok · 27-03-2011 2:24am

Euroland wrote: »

1) Who told you about high unemployment in Libya? Before the aggression 2.5 million foreigners were working in Libya, including thousands of Italians and British.

2) BTW, here in Ireland we have very high level of unemployment, however very few people go to march against the government. That doesn’t mean that nobody cares, that means that people have their daily routines.

Where are your links to say that Gadaffi has 70-75% support?

gazmic1 · 27-03-2011 2:25am

Euroland wrote: »

Everything was planned in advance (by the US), including so called “demonstrations”. Sarkozy just made it public.

Another theory would be that it was libyans protesting against gadaffi because cairo kicked the unrest off. Too many conspiracy theories these days.

Euroland · 27-03-2011 2:25am

gurramok wrote: »

Are you a Gadaffi supporter? Only he is said they are Crusaders.

In difference to you, I prefer sympathizing to the Libyan people, rather than to the Al Qaeda fighters.

Euroland · 27-03-2011 2:28am

gurramok wrote: »

In your twisted logic, how come the rebels(in your view Al Queda) have welcomed the 'Crusaders'?

Coz Crusaders suit Al-Qaeda’s short-term plans.

gurramok · 27-03-2011 2:29am

Euroland wrote: »

In difference to you, I prefer sympathizing to the Libyan people, rather than to the Al Qaeda fighters.

I prefer sympathizing to the Libyan people too. Thing is you do not care that they are being brutally suppressed.

Where is your link that the rebels are Al Qaeda fighters who also welcome their arch enemy the West bombing their enemy?

Euroland · 27-03-2011 2:31am

gurramok wrote: »

So you have no figures at all to back up your claim, then retract it.

You don’t need to be a mathematical genius, just count the population in the pro-Al-Qaeda towns, and don’t forget that most of 1 million+ Egyptians, Tunisians, and Palestinians live in those areas.

gurramok · 27-03-2011 2:34am

Euroland wrote: »

Coz Crusaders suit Al-Qaeda’s short-term plans.

Euroland wrote: »

You don’t need to be a mathematical genius, just count the population in the pro-Al-Qaeda towns, and don’t forget that most of 1 million+ Egyptians, Tunisians, and Palestinians live in those areas.

So no proof then, just an allegation that hard working Egyptians, Tunisians, and Palestinians are Al-Qaeda terrorists. That's bordering on racism.

Euroland · 27-03-2011 2:34am

gurramok wrote: »

Where is your link that the rebels are Al Qaeda fighters who also welcome their arch enemy the West bombing their enemy?

Libyan rebel commander admits his fighters have al-Qaeda links

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/8407047/Libyan-rebel-commander-admits-his-fighters-have-al-Qaeda-links.html

Also interesting:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Yahya_al-Libi

gurramok · 27-03-2011 2:36am

Euroland wrote: »

Libyan rebel commander admits his fighters have al-Qaeda links

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/8407047/Libyan-rebel-commander-admits-his-fighters-have-al-Qaeda-links.html

Also interesting:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Yahya_al-Libi

25 alleged Al-Qaeda fighters out of 20,000 plus. Try harder.

Euroland · 27-03-2011 2:43am

gurramok wrote: »

25 alleged Al-Qaeda fighters out of 20,000 plus. Try harder.

The actual numbers of Al-Qaeda terrorists are much higher; he just didn’t want to acknowledge that. And not out of the 20 thousands. There maximum 4-5 thousand of active fighters.

So, do you support Al-Qaeda terrorists?

What is Sinn Fein's stance on the Libyian situation?

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