fiat scudo

sanbrafyffe

lads are they worth the money

delly

Maybe.


A minimal response for a minimal question.

_Conrad_

No. Having worked in the motor trade, both selling various vehicles and managing all sorts of cars, vans and 4x4s etc over usually 3-5 year leases and service/maintenance contracts, the worst offenders for giving trouble over the years in my experience have been fiat and renault, followed closely by alfa romeo then mercedes (from a quality control/ general build quality perspective their late 90s on stuff has been muck compared to what it used to be).


The cars that go out as company cars/ rentals/ fleet vans etc often run go to 40,000km plus per year and are serviced at every sheduled interval. But with racking up big mileage over the course of the lease, while monitoring them you get to see which ones fail and on what items. On renaults and fiats it's pretty much everything.
In fact any of the french and italian vans have been generally pretty bad. Often just small silly stuff, but a lot of it.

shamwari

The Scudo is a Pug / Citroen clone. I don't know whether the Scudo uses a Fiat engine (their diesel are ok) but the rest of the mechanicals are of French origin, I never worked on one myself but lads I know who have worked on them say they are ok.

sanbrafyffe

mixed responses here

shamwari

_Conrad_ wrote: »

No. Having worked in the motor trade, both selling various vehicles and managing all sorts of cars, vans and 4x4s etc over usually 3-5 year leases and service/maintenance contracts, the worst offenders for giving trouble over the years in my experience have been fiat and renault, followed closely by alfa romeo then mercedes (from a quality control/ general build quality perspective their late 90s on stuff has been muck compared to what it used to be).


The cars that go out as company cars/ rentals/ fleet vans etc often run go to 40,000km plus per year and are serviced at every sheduled interval. But with racking up big mileage over the course of the lease, while monitoring them you get to see which ones fail and on what items. On renaults and fiats it's pretty much everything.
In fact any of the french and italian vans have been generally pretty bad. Often just small silly stuff, but a lot of it.

Can you give us specific examples of what went wrong with the Scudo's?

_Conrad_

electrical/dash problems

suspension front and rear causing problems, rear axles, clutches wearing quite fast on the 1.9d.

egr issues with the jtd, hot starting issues also.

typical crap you get with those and with these and the french versions. though the citroens seemed to fare better then fiats and pugs.


oh and the interiors falling apart too

Guy:Incognito

_Conrad_ wrote: »

typical crap you get with those and with these and the french versions. though the citroens seemed to fare better then fiats and pugs.

Hesus them Peugeot badges must put some fierce wear on the vans. Whatever about Fiat using their own diesels, the Peugeot and Citreon ones are the same bar the badges, so how they could be any more or less reliable than each other I dont know.

Loads of Scudo's going round as Taxi's too, In fact they seem to be the wheelchair accessible car of choice in Dublin anyway. By your reckoning the drivers must be spending multiples of the cost of the cars just to keep them going.


I have an Expert, albeit an old 97 one thats on 150,000 miles and everything works as it should. It's only every had routine maintenance work done, everything else is original, and it had the **** driven out of it for the 11 years up to when I got it.

Owen

I had one for a year in a job nearly 10 years ago. I tried to kill it, really tried, but it survived. The only problems I had were a power steering pump failed a month after delivery, and the problem all Scudo's have, constantly spinning locks - you put your key in sometimes, and it just goes round and round and round.

Guy:Incognito

PaintDoctor wrote: »

you put your key in sometimes, and it just goes round and round and round.

You have to push the key slightly as you turn and it works fine. It's just the way those locks work from new.

_Conrad_

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Hesus them Peugeot badges must put some fierce wear on the vans. Whatever about Fiat using their own diesels, the Peugeot and Citreon ones are the same bar the badges, so how they could be any more or less reliable than each other I dont know.

Loads of Scudo's going round as Taxi's too, In fact they seem to be the wheelchair accessible car of choice in Dublin anyway. By your reckoning the drivers must be spending multiples of the cost of the cars just to keep them going.


I have an Expert, albeit an old 97 one thats on 150,000 miles and everything works as it should. It's only every had routine maintenance work done, everything else is original, and it had the **** driven out of it for the 11 years up to when I got it.

There's good ones and bad ones in all makes, but i've seen a lot more bad french and italian vans than i have bad VWs or transits for example.
They all have their problems, but some more frequently than others.

Do you know why they're popular with taxi drivers? they're crude and cheap. There are also good wheelchair access setups for them, and they suit that application. They're not mad expensive to fix, but they will break for certain.

Your old spec model may have 150,000 on it now, but try rackin up big miles quickly on them. 100,000-120,000 in 4 years wouldnt be too unusual, some vans put up with that better than others.

Guy:Incognito

_Conrad_ wrote: »

There's good ones and bad ones in all makes, but i've seen a lot more bad french and italian vans than i have bad VWs or transits for example. .

See this is where peoples opinions and views often cloud reality. At it's worst The Laguna II had in or around 30 faults per 100 (as with these reliabilty surveys everthing counts as a fault, no matter how small) , at the same time the Transit was 4 or 5 faults per 100 worse.

Now how many people think a Transit was unreliable , never mind morseo than a Laguna II?

Solnskaya

They are ok, but just ok. The older model was quite tough and had a simple engine to work on(mines at 240k), but the newer version tends towards pricey faults with diesel pumps and clutches even when minded. BUT, they are a brilliant size of a van, are good on fuel and nice to drive(imho)-the engine is a little bit buried under the dash, making glow plugs and injectors etc a pain to change, but if you dont mind fixing things, a 04 can be got for sub 2k, and the are a good van to work with-stuff just fits in so much better than the berlingo/courier/caddy sized vans. Personally, I would buy one, but be prepared to fix things as and when required.

Solnskaya

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

See this is where peoples opinions and views often cloud reality. At it's worst The Laguna II had in or around 30 faults per 100 (as with these reliabilty surveys everthing counts as a fault, no matter how small) , at the same time the Transit was 4 or 5 faults per 100 worse.

Now how many people think a Transit was unreliable , never mind morseo than a Laguna II?

post '00, a lot of people think they are unreliable, usually those who bought them. My '02 was a soft piece of ....