There are skeletons in Ireland's closet , too

delta_bravo

I'm fairly dumbfounded at reading this article. I know its the Daily Mail and they have a general anti Irish bias but this really was taking it way too far I feel. Its here at the bottom of the page you will have to scroll down a bit.

Martin Samuel wrote:

Careful Andrew, there are skeletons in Ireland's closet , too

After a week of Irish glory and glorification at Cheltenham and two very jolly days in Dublin to follow, many Englishmen would have felt the bond between our countries had become rather civilised these days.

So it came as something of a surprise to pick up the newspapers on Monday and discover what really inspired Ireland's Six Nations victory over England at the Aviva Stadium: hatred.

Andrew Trimble, the Ireland wing, let this slip, describing a rallying call from lock and most recent Lions captain Paul O'Connell prior to the game. 'I always love listening to him during England week,' Trimble said.
Andrew Trimble

'We wanted to get everything right technically, but we also wanted to use our physicality, our intensity, just a real hatred. We never get sick of beating England; that is why we enjoyed the win so much. There's a lot of history there.'

Indeed there is. Like the European Union's £73.7billion bailout for the failing Irish economy last November, that could end up costing British taxpayers in the region of £6.07bn.

Not many songs about that on Saturday, though, just the usual one about prison ships, prison walls and a terrible famine that took place 160 years ago yet is still thrown in the face of every visitor in an England shirt, as if it was cooked up in the Harlequins dressing room last Tuesday.

Maybe next time Martin Johnson visits he could give a rousing and equally relevant speech before the game based on vengeance for all the little kiddies abused by Ireland's paedophile priests.

Or is it only the English who have entries in the history books of which their modern descendants might be ashamed?

Well all I can add to this is that clearly this man is an absolute tool.

StupidLikeAFox

He has a point in fairness

fedor.2.

ColHol wrote: »

He has a point in fairness

And what would his point be exactly??

Pdfile

fedor.2. wrote: »

And what would his point be exactly??

nike wont be sponsering the all ireland in croker... thats for certin.

Rodin

delta_bravo wrote: »

I'm fairly dumbfounded at reading this article. I know its the Daily Mail and they have a general anti Irish bias but this really was taking it way too far I feel. Its here at the bottom of the page you will have to scroll down a bit.




Well all I can add to this is that clearly this man is an absolute tool.

I presume that six billion LOAN from the UK is a first installment as a fair price for the fertile Irish land that was stolen from its owners, and compensation for the economic loss suffered by losing half the population, while food was exported?

RichieC

lol...bitter... I loved reading that

Wolfe Tone

Martin Samuel, go fuck yourself.

Rodin

Or is it only the English who have entries in the history books of which their modern descendants might be ashamed?

He forgot 'Bloody Sunday', of which people alive today have deep, scarring personal memories of.
They aren't descendants of some long lost great great great granny

Craebear

He can talk about pedo priests if he wishes, but with a head on him like that I bet he's got a stash of kiddy porn somewhere.

RichieC

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

Martin Samuel, go fuck yourself.

Rodin wrote: »

Or is it only the English who have entries in the history books of which their modern descendants might be ashamed?

He forgot 'Bloody Sunday', of which people alive today have deep, scarring personal memories of.
They aren't descendants of some long lost great great great granny

Lads, water off a ducks back for christ sake... he's a bitter loser and a fking Hammers fan.

Schism

To be taken with a pinch of salt.

There's always been and always will be a huge rivalry between England and Ireland. He's just sore now because his country took a beating this time. If he looks back at what he wrote I would hope that he feels silly.

General General

Rodin wrote: »

I presume that six billion LOAN from the UK is a first installment as a fair price for the fertile Irish land that was stolen from its owners, and compensation for the economic loss suffered by losing half the population, while food was exported?

Look, for the last time, that was merely a consequence of the liberation of Ireland... y'know... like the current liberation of Libya...

RichieC

England were bailed out by the IMF in the 70's too.. wonder if he remembers that.

murrayp4

Ah Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha! :D:D
The best he can come up with is complaining about pedo priests and the IMF?

epic fail etc....

CrazyRabbit

Just don't mention ze Germans.

major bill

What a bell end!!!

jd007

Indeed there is. Like the European Union's £73.7billion bailout for the failing Irish economy last November, that could end up costing British taxpayers in the region of £6.07bn.

So he wanted Ireland to lose the rugby match cos England are giving us a loan?

StupidLikeAFox

fedor.2. wrote: »

And what would his point be exactly??

That Ireland, as a nation, are despicable for basng their motivation for playing England upon a hatred. Its a sporting event ffs, leave the bigotry behind Trimble!

He's pretty spot on about the pedo and bailout remarks too in fairness

Jazzy

we cant even run our own country of 4million without it all going tits up. we have been getting ripped off for years but still let the same ppl stay in power. id be far more proud of what england is today then what ireland is today

chicken fingers

Why did that Irish rugby player mention "hatred"?
I'm not agreeing with the English pundit, but why was that word mentioned?
Do the Irish rugby team have hatred for the English?
It seems like the sort of gutter talk you'd expect from low IQ tribal soccer fans.

myflipflops

ColHol wrote: »

That Ireland, as a nation, are despicable for basng their motivation for playing England upon a hatred. Its a sporting event ffs, leave the bigotry behind Trimble!

He's pretty spot on about the pedo and bailout remarks too in fairness

Are you aware that Trimble is a devout Protestant from Northern Ireland who would consider himself both Irish and British?? The idea that he was being motivated by some form of faux-republican speech making is complete bullsh*t. That would have alienated him.

The 'history' he talks about is a sporting history - we have spent most of the history of the 5/6 nations getting beaten by the English. Since 2004, ireland has the upper hand so it is sweet. It never gets old to beat the English because of events like 2003 when they ran riot on us to win the Grand Slam.

myflipflops

chicken fingers wrote: »

Why did that Irish rugby player mention "hatred"?
I'm not agreeing with the English pundit, but why was that word mentioned?
Do the Irish rugby team have hatred for the English?
.

Hatred was probably a poor word to use but with the level of physicality rugby players have to bring onto the pitch these days, they have to generate a level of animosity for the opposition. It's similar to the mentality a boxer might try to get into - it's not easy to hurt people so focussing your aggresion on them helps.

major bill

ColHol wrote: »

That Ireland, as a nation, are despicable for basng their motivation for playing England upon a hatred. Its a sporting event ffs, leave the bigotry behind Trimble!

He's pretty spot on about the pedo and bailout remarks too in fairness

are you serious? its a sporting rivalry and thats what happens in rivalrys its not always about the politics. Alot of these players are team mates on the lions team. Anyway the journo has a cheek to even make those points that we turned it into politics as everytime they play the germans its on the basis of the wars. im sure we have all heard the song two world wars and one world cup aswell as the RAF from england shot one down.

Sir Oxman

ColHol wrote: »

That Ireland, as a nation, are despicable for basng their motivation for playing England upon a hatred. Its a sporting event ffs, leave the bigotry behind Trimble!

He's pretty spot on about the pedo and bailout remarks too in fairness

That's the most stupid thing I've read here in the last ten minutes.

greyed

Indeed there is. Like the European Union's £73.7billion bailout for the failing Irish economy last November, that could end up costing British taxpayers in the region of £6.07bn.

Actually it will cost the british tax payers nothing, they will make a profit in fact, and massive savings considering we are bailing out their banks for them. This bailout is for everyone, but only Ireland will pay. Its hardly out of the kindness of their hearts, 'LOL' :pac:

And their history books are quite deficient with regard to the dark parts of their coloial past.

I really like the english, but I wont listen to that crap, this dick is just a sore loser.

Noffles

Proper sore loser stuff there... but all very valid points

Mr Benevolent

RichieC wrote: »

England were bailed out by the IMF in the 70's too.. wonder if he remembers that.

Actually they weren't.They had an IMF drawdown loan (in effect an overdraft) that was enough to pacify the markets about the UK's economy at the time. They never touched the loan as it wasn't needed.

neil_hosey

i heard the initial interview and there was no mention of hatred!! Im fairly sure this eejit just added that in.

Andrew trimble is from the north, and from the unionist side of things as far as i remember! I dont think he would say something like that anyway, doesnt make sense!

Fratton Fred

greyed wrote: »

Actually it will cost the british tax payers nothing, they will make a profit in fact, and massive savings considering we are bailing out their banks for them. This bailout is for everyone, but only Ireland will pay. Its hardly out of the kindness of their hearts, 'LOL' :pac:

And their history books are quite deficient with regard to the dark parts of their coloial past.

I really like the english, but I wont listen to that crap, this dick is just a sore loser.

At a time when the British government is introducing massive budgets cuts resulting in huge job losses and cut backs to public services, the government manages to find £6bn to help out the Irish who have done absolutely zilch to cut their budget deficit.

Yep, I'm sure the British tax payer is grateful for that.

neil_hosey

Fratton Fred wrote: »

At a time when the British government is introducing massive budgets cuts resulting in huge job losses and cut backs to public services, the government manages to find £6bn to help out the Irish who have done absolutely zilch to cut their budget deficit.

Yep, I'm sure the British tax payer is grateful for that.

Im had cuts to my salary, family members have lost jobs, public services are being cut.... all to save bondholders around europe. We certainly dont love bailing out these wánkbags

http://newswhip.ie/national-2/here-are-the-anglo-irish-bank-bondholders

Fratton Fred

ColHol wrote: »

That Ireland, as a nation, are despicable for basng their motivation for playing England upon a hatred. Its a sporting event ffs, leave the bigotry behind Trimble!

This is the third time I've seen Ireland play, I've also seen leinster play a few times as well.

Saturday was the first time I have seen an Irish rugby crowd degenerate to the levels of a football crowd. Most, as you would expect from a rugby crowd were sporting, humerous and welcoming. A good example would be the disdain shown to the stadium announcer making an announcement during an England penalty (that in no way excuses the poor kicking though) There was however a large number of people who wanted to see England lose and were shouting abuse and hatred. I would expect better from a rugby crowd.

Crap article though, mentioning peado priests is just petty mud slinging.

neil_hosey

Fratton Fred wrote: »

This is the third time I've seen Ireland play, I've also seen leinster play a few times as well.

Saturday was the first time I have seen an Irish rugby crowd degenerate to the levels of a football crowd. Most, as you would expect from a rugby crowd were sporting, humerous and welcoming. A good example would be the disdain shown to the stadium announcer making an announcement during an England penalty (that in no way excuses the poor kicking though) There was however a large number of people who wanted to see England lose and were shouting abuse and hatred. I would expect better from a rugby crowd.

Crap article though, mentioning peado priests is just petty mud slinging.

Yeah there was a few boos during kicks which really pissed me off. Hope that doesnt start creeping into rugby

Fratton Fred

neil_hosey wrote: »

Im had cuts to my salary, family members have lost jobs, public services are being cut.... all to save bondholders around europe. We certainly dont love bailing out these wánkbags

http://newswhip.ie/national-2/here-are-the-anglo-irish-bank-bondholders

I'm sorry for your trouble, are you in the public sector? Because as far as I am aware, they are still being paid the same and have had no job losses.

The only thing I have seen Ireland do is bitch and moan about German banks, which as far as the budget deficit is concerned is largely irrelevant.

Could never fathom how any Irish lad would play for the Lions to be honest.

Fratton Fred

RoverJames wrote: »

Could never fathom how any Irish lad would play for the Lions to be honest.

Why? Are they not the British and Irish lions?

neil_hosey

Fratton Fred wrote: »

I'm sorry for your trouble, are you in the public sector? Because as far as I am aware, they are still being paid the same and have had no job losses.

The only thing I have seen Ireland do is bitch and moan about German banks, which as far as the budget deficit is concerned is largely irrelevant.

no need to be. im in the private sector, and i dont like paying for other peoples mistakes, whether its be irish gov, german/french/british banks or anyone else.

/Back on topic.

Fratton Fred

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Why? Are they not the British and Irish lions?

Well on the one hand ........

chicken fingers wrote: »

Why did that Irish rugby player mention "hatred"?
I'm not agreeing with the English pundit, but why was that word mentioned?
Do the Irish rugby team have hatred for the English?
It seems like the sort of gutter talk you'd expect from low IQ tribal soccer fans.

Then the same lads play on the Lions team, can't have your cake and eat it.

Where does the name Lions come from? Not from here anyway, why not call it the British and Irish Shamrocks or something? British and Irish me arse, British and West British would be more accurate.

listermint

Fratton Fred wrote: »

At a time when the British government is introducing massive budgets cuts resulting in huge job losses and cut backs to public services, the government manages to find £6bn to help out the Irish who have done absolutely zilch to cut their budget deficit.

Yep, I'm sure the British tax payer is grateful for that.

'Help'

You sir have obviously failed to grasp economics. They are only helping themselves, for one their banks are major bondholders and secondly we are a ridiculously large trading partner, we buy BILLIONS from their country every year.

Your statement is as foolish as your understanding of the situation.


Back on topic, The article is from the Daily Mail, why are we commenting on that rag...........

Nhead

ColHol wrote: »

That Ireland, as a nation, are despicable for basng their motivation for playing England upon a hatred. Its a sporting event ffs, leave the bigotry behind Trimble!

He's pretty spot on about the pedo and bailout remarks too in fairness

It is plausible that Trimble meant they hated the team not the nation and a lot of teams do hate each other- the pedo and bailout remarks are just lazy journalism.

Fratton Fred

RoverJames wrote: »

Well on the one hand ........



Then the same lads play on the Lions team, can't have your cake and eat it.

Where does the name Lions come from? Not from here anyway, why not call it the British and Irish Shamrocks or something? British and Irish me arse, British and West British would be more accurate.

I love standing in a pub with my Scottish and Irish drinking buddies watching the lions, it is one of the few things we have in these islands that really unites us.

Mr Magners

neil_hosey wrote: »

Yeah there was a few boos during kicks which really pissed me off. Hope that doesnt start creeping into rugby

It's an accepted part of the game in other parts of the world, did you ever hear the crowd at a game in Paris? The kicker gets a wall of sound thrown at thim as he's making the kick.

This is just one quick example

neil_hosey

Mr Magners wrote: »

It's an accepted part of the game in other parts of the world, did you ever hear the crowd at a game in Paris? The kicker gets a wall of sound thrown at thim as he's making the kick.

This is just one quick example

im not french though. they are ignorant shítes anyway :P

Dave!

What an arsehole

Here ya go, enjoy

ceadaoin.

ColHol wrote: »

That Ireland, as a nation, are despicable for basng their motivation for playing England upon a hatred. Its a sporting event ffs, leave the bigotry behind Trimble!

He's pretty spot on about the pedo and bailout remarks too in fairness

It's pretty obvious that the quote is referring to sporting history..ie: the rivalry between the two teams and is nothing at all to do with the famine or any of the other rubbish this idiot claims.

neil_hosey

Dave! wrote: »

What an arsehole

Here ya go, enjoy

who me

Tzar Gringo

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Saturday was the first time I have seen an Irish rugby crowd degenerate to the levels of a football crowd. Most, as you would expect from a rugby crowd were sporting, humerous and welcoming. A good example would be the disdain shown to the stadium announcer making an announcement during an England penalty (that in no way excuses the poor kicking though) There was however a large number of people who wanted to see England lose and were shouting abuse and hatred. I would expect better from a rugby crowd.

you'd have to wonder what motivated the team too, they'd been underachieving all tournament.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IP0XC6m6YGc

but that video, combined with my brother meeting a pair of english lads in vancouver who wished ireland 'good luck' suggests they underestimated the squad's ability. i don't care for stepping it up against england on the final matchday after the woeful displays prior to it, its a bit embarrassing tbh

Biggins

Dear Martin Samuel,

It was/is a LOAN ya gobschite. Piss off you clearly uneducated idiot!

greyed

Fratton Fred wrote: »

At a time when the British government is introducing massive budgets cuts resulting in huge job losses and cut backs to public services, the government manages to find £6bn to help out the Irish who have done absolutely zilch to cut their budget deficit.

Yep, I'm sure the British tax payer is grateful for that.

You are clearly uninformed on the matter, wow. Ireland has done "zilch" to curb its deficit? Are you kidding? Ireland came out with an axe long before anyone in europe, these cuts are massive and deflationary and are making additonal adjustments necessary. Its a bad state of affairs made worse only by the fact that we are bailing out banks all over europe... our deficit would be managable if this course of action wasnt taken. Its a terrible deal for us and a great deal for everyone else! Its sly economics, not benevolence.

That said, I think Ireland and england's rivalry is mostly a healthy one and usually good natured. The relationship between the two countries is great now, its with snotty little 'journalists' like this dude where the problems lie.

Mardy Bum

ColHol wrote: »

He has a point in fairness

ColHol wrote: »

That Ireland, as a nation, are despicable for basng their motivation for playing England upon a hatred. Its a sporting event ffs, leave the bigotry behind Trimble!

He's pretty spot on about the pedo and bailout remarks too in fairness

Fratton Fred wrote: »

At a time when the British government is introducing massive budgets cuts resulting in huge job losses and cut backs to public services, the government manages to find £6bn to help out the Irish who have done absolutely zilch to cut their budget deficit.

Yep, I'm sure the British tax payer is grateful for that.

This is either self-deprecating nonsense or ignorance. Fair play lads.

Pace2008

ColHol wrote: »

He's pretty spot on about the pedo and bailout remarks too in fairness

So in any discussion regarding an English sporting team it would be fair and relevant to bring up the fact their nation spent the guts of a millennium trying to conquer the known world through military might?

Chairman Meow

U mad?