Daily Mail's Martin Samuel on the Irish win

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At the end of his column today, the Daily Mail's Martin Samuel has penned a vitriolic piece knocking the Irish win on Saturday.

In it he refers back to the lyrics of the Fields of Athenry, paedophile priests abusing "kiddies" and the traditional hatred of the Irish for the English.

It's a mean, hate filled piece of anti-Irish muck.

Source: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1369018/Martin-Samuel-Deafening-silence-ends-John-Terry-affair.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

Pudsy33

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Todd Gack

Careful Andrew, there are skeletons in Ireland's closet , too

After a week of Irish glory and glorification at Cheltenham and two very jolly days in Dublin to follow, many Englishmen would have felt the bond between our countries had become rather civilised these days.

So it came as something of a surprise to pick up the newspapers on Monday and discover what really inspired Ireland's Six Nations victory over England at the Aviva Stadium: hatred.

Andrew Trimble, the Ireland wing, let this slip, describing a rallying call from lock and most recent Lions captain Paul O'Connell prior to the game. 'I always love listening to him during England week,' Trimble said.

'We wanted to get everything right technically, but we also wanted to use our physicality, our intensity, just a real hatred. We never get sick of beating England; that is why we enjoyed the win so much. There's a lot of history there.'

Indeed there is. Like the European Union's £73.7billion bailout for the failing Irish economy last November, that could end up costing British taxpayers in the region of £6.07bn.

Not many songs about that on Saturday, though, just the usual one about prison ships, prison walls and a terrible famine that took place 160 years ago yet is still thrown in the face of every visitor in an England shirt, as if it was cooked up in the Harlequins dressing room last Tuesday.

Maybe next time Martin Johnson visits he could give a rousing and equally relevant speech before the game based on vengeance for all the little kiddies abused by Ireland's paedophile priests.

Or is it only the English who have entries in the history books of which their modern descendants might be ashamed?

donfers

disgusting stuff from a gutter journalist

durkadurka

That is so outrageous and hypocritical I think it's best ignored.

Trimble of all people to have a go at! Shows how little he knows.

thebaz

the mail is itself, a hate filled rag -
I have many English friends, who also frown upon the little Englander land Samuel is writing to - thankfully, not all English folk are so sad

delta_bravo

Of course they wouldn't dare publish it in the Irish version. What a bunch of mongoloids in that newspaper. The paedophile reference was very unnecessary.

Pudsy33

What a load of shi*e! Trimbe never mentioned the past problems between the countries, or suggested that it had a bearing on the match. The hatred, i assume, refers to the intensity that Ireland played the game with. Doubt sexton had the famine on his mind lining up kicks. What a nonsensical article. Sour grapes if I've ever seen it. People like him make beating England sweet, not the colonial past.

LeeroyJones

Odd to criticise the singing of the 'The Fields of Athenry' considering 'Swing Low Sweet Chariot' is a spiritual African American song written by a man from Oklahoma!!!
Having said that the whole article is odd and there's no need to waste our time on it!

super_furry

Wouldn't expect anything less from the Daily Heil. They've always, been anti-Irish, describe us as a land "based on the pig and the potato", supported Hitler and are virulantly against anyone who isn't white and from middle-England.

pierrot

delta_bravo wrote: »

Of course they wouldn't dare publish it in the Irish version. What a bunch of mongoloids in that newspaper. The paedophile reference was very unnecessary.

Come on mate, not the best choice of term if you're having a go at someone else being offensive

thomond2006

Would you expect anything different from the Mail? Wouldn't wipe my you know what with that rag.

amacachi

LOL. Delivered even more than the thread title could promise.

seansduffy

Martin, I genuinely felt for you when you left one embarassing media empire for an even worse one. In light of your article on Ireland's victory, it appears you have found your spiritual home.Allied to your "only someone from an emirate" article, it seems to me that no self respecting journalist could lower himself to such xenophobic sentiments without having some personal investment in them.Alas it is a sad day for you, and indeed your peers,if they see fit to crown you sports journalist of the year.
In addition it amuses me that you have become such a pivotal figure in this England captaincy debate,clearly scolding the Ferdinand camp, when you clearly have sourced the story from the opposite side.The intractable problems inside the England camp require greater subtly then you could ever provide, yet I suspect it is easier for those players to feed a journalist who is only too pleased to be at the centre of the story,stoking the fires.Your country deserves better than your team and your journalism.

some_dose

Tripe of the highest order but them again what else would you expect from the Daily Mail.

siltirocker

Todd Gack wrote: »

Careful Andrew, there are skeletons in Ireland's closet , too

Indeed there is. Like the European Union's £73.7billion bailout for the failing Irish economy last November, that could end up costing British taxpayers in the region of £6.07bn.

Bang out of order.

tolosenc

thomond2006 wrote: »

Wouldn't wipe my you know what with that rag.

You've obviously never been in a really tight spot!

Though, yeah, he does go *a bit* overboard.

profitius

Regarding the economy, Ireland is Britains biggest trading partner and its good for Britain if Irelands economy is going well.

Whatever we get from Europe you can be sure they're not being charitable.

LondonIrish90

profitius wrote: »

Regarding the economy, Ireland is Britains biggest trading partner and its good for Britain if Irelands economy is going well.

Whatever we get from Europe you can be sure they're not being charitable.

Although Ireland is a very significant trade partner to the United Kingdom, to say biggest is not strictly true.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2010/feb/24/uk-trade-exports-imports

I would agree that the article is very offensive and a totally unprofessional piece of journalism, but if that is a direct quote from Andrew Trimble then it is a very poor show also. I'm a huge England and Exiles fan, but its a sport, his comment is completely out of place and more suited to a grotty pub in his hometown where those with outdated views are maybe more acceptable, not in an interview that will be seen across Europe.

Anti-English attitudes in Ireland are still rife, sad to see. Not sure it will have as much effect on the English (due to the nature of England's somewhat frosty relationships with many nations on the sporting stage) as an anti-Irish comment would in Ireland though, which is maybe why they continue.

[Jackass]

Well, I can see his point.

What seemed to be a group of young boys did appear to be sodomised severely on Saturday.

stephen_n

profitius wrote: »

Regarding the economy, Ireland is Britains biggest trading partner and its good for Britain if Irelands economy is going well.

Whatever we get from Europe you can be sure they're not being charitable.

Or the fact he choose to ignore that 6.7bn represents a bail out to the UK government via RBS which is now owened by Lloyds which is in turn owened by the British government and lent upwards of 70 billion to Irish Banks. Inconvienient truths, makes it sound much better to say they are bailing out the Irish though!

myflipflops

People are taking Trimble's comments completely out of context.

"We never get sick of beating England; that is why we enjoyed the win so much. There's a lot of history there.'


I'd be nearly certain that the 'history' being spoken of here refers to the amount of times England have put us to the sword over the years. Since 2004, Ireland has put together an amazing record against the English in the 6 Nations compared to anything that has gone before so 'never sick of beating the English' would refer to that.

I bet O'Connells words during the week would have referred to memories of games like the 2003 when he we were hammered 43-6 by a Martin Johnson led time. Memories like that hurt players and teams.

Somehow I doubt references to the war of independance or the famine would resonate with a guy like Andrew Trimble. Sly comments at the crimes of Catholic priests are a bit irrelevant too especially as Trimble is a devout christian of the Protestant persuasion who once appeared on Songs of Praise on the BBC!

A journalist like Matin Samuels can be expected to spout a fair amount of tripe, you would just hope he would do a little research first too.

RuggieBear

not going anywhere positive