Do you want discussion allowed in the news thread?

Steve

OK, I'll try again.

This thread is for news, not for discussion. If you feel something warrants discussion then please start a thread on it - you can post a single link to the thread here so people know about it but that's it.

Again, this is a news thread, only to be used for stuff that is newsworthy to the Airsoft community on boards.

Thanks, appreciate the co-operation.

Open for discussion.

Firekitten

No

Sorry, Always thought we could discuss news items... Wont in future!

Steve

Firekitten wrote: »

Sorry, Always thought we could discuss news items... Wont in future!

Not a problem Firekitten and that previous post was wasn't directed at you or anyone else in particular. People complain when we do allow it , people complain when we don't allow it - I made a call on it, at least now it's clear.

StevieGriff

No

Steve wrote: »

Not a problem Firekitten and that previous post was wasn't directed at you or anyone else in particular. People complain when we do allow it , people complain when we don't allow it - I made a call on it, at least now it's clear.

Sorry to disrespect but Puding started the thread in 2008. And there has been discussion of the posted news story since day one with-in the thread, it does not state anywhere in the threads first post or title that there is no discussion allowed so why the sudden change in rules?

News:
1x-4x SpecterDR is finally out, unfortunatly it cost $270.
M1 Garand based on a Cyma M14 for €477.
Lee Enfield based on a snowwolf m24.

Stercus Accidit

No

Boards.ie is a terrible way to get airsoft news, and anyone who exclusively gets it here, and complains when people discuss it, is an idiot.

Every bit of news here is at least 2nd hand, more often 3rd, 4th, the point of this thread is the discussion of airsoft news. If you just want the news, why not try airsoft-news.eu, or arnies airsoft news on the front page of that site. This is a discussion forum.

I appreciate some fools are lazy, so f*cking lazy they wouldn't in all the hours they've spent looking at this discussion forum actually bother to google "airsoft news" and get their contextless, opinionless news from its source. This isn't the first time this has been mentioned, wild bullsh*t talk belongs in off-topic, news discussion belongs here, and all the post reporters belong on google finding the sources of all this news in the first place and try not clicking the spaz out button here all the time.

That's my opinion and I feel strongly about it.

Blazer

No

I think we should be allowed discuss on this thread...
I get my main news about airsoft as I'm too lazy to look elsewhere...but I don't complain about it..
I like hearing people's opinions on what's out there..what's good, what's bad etc..

As Stercus said above if you want the pure news article there's other sites you can look at...if you want to gossip and badmouth particular pieces there's this thread..and no..I don't care if it was on it 2 months ago...I probably haven't seen it

cobra 08

No

Have to agree can't see why discussion wouldn't be allowed on this thread I mean sky news allows opinions and discussion on the news via emails so can't see why we can't discuss the news in a discussion forum?

Firekitten

No

Guys, as a suggestion, why dont we put the debate going on here, IN the news discussion thread, and if its agreed... continue as normal here, if we dont, we have a place to do it. This is only proving the point initially made and Jamming up the thread with totally unrelated material?

Blazer

No

Because it's bloody ridiculous..that's why:D
And by doing so you set a precedence for the new thread to be used.
Now you need to look at the airsoft news thread :rolleyes: and then go into the airsoft news discussion thread and discuss what's on another thread...
god almighty..it's bureaucratic nonsense :eek:
Fair enough for loadout pics etc but for news? I mean..come on

Stercus Accidit

No

Sc@recrow wrote: »

Because it's bloody ridiculous..that's why:D
And by doing so you set a precedence for the new thread to be used.
Now you need to look at the airsoft news thread :rolleyes: and then go into the airsoft news discussion thread and discuss what's on another thread...
god almighty..it's bureaucratic nonsense :eek:
Fair enough for loadout pics etc but for news? I mean..come on

Spot on.

DeBurca

No

o1s1n wrote: »

Okay guys, this thread is now for airsoft news discussion as well.

We had a Mod give a ruling on this back in july 2009
Why do we need to change this

Steve

I've pulled these posts from the news thread - I didn't think I'd generate this reaction. Seriously, was just trying to do the right thing.

Anyway, get your votes in and I'll respect your wishes here.

Gatling

No

Apologies to all for posting the airsoft news discussion thread ,given the amount of warnings issued lately it looked like the next step, I still dont understand when the news thread became a non discussion thread,3 years and over half a million views later people start using the report button as a weapon ,airsoft is a social sport we spend more time talking about it on here than than playing,we talk,we discuss ,we brag ,we cross over and go off topic on most threads ,its airsoft ,1 part playing 2 parts yapping with the odd handbags at 50 paces then back to talking

TheDoc

No

In fairness its a discussion board, for discussing.

If I wanted to look at lists of guns, that's what Twitter and Arnies is for, and just about EVERY SINGLE AIRSOFT DEDICATED airsoft website.

The conversations are usually better then the news itself.

I fully appreciate that Steve's just putting it to the peoples, but I'm hearing people are reporting posts on the sly for discussion.

Well why don't we all sit back and see what they have to say?

Or they just won't post cause they realise its a stupid petty thing.

I will admit I don't read that thread AT ALL, but its clearly the most active on the forum, literally no need fr any change. More concerning issues on this boards then chat in the news topic : /

NakedDex

I don't think anyone here believes that you had anything but the best intentions. People are just a little sensitive still due to some of the decisions over the past twelve months and the character of the forum being lost due to said decisions, their repercussions and the resultant loss of legacy airsoft forum users.

Originally, the news on this forum was an individual thread for each item, with a couple of posts in each at most. The posts were often nothing more than a "thanks for posting..." type, something which is no longer necessary now due to the Thanks button.
The forum was a mess due to them, with page one often being difficult to find any thread that wasn't a news article. Puding's idea to form a dedicated thread was a natural - and inspired - step that managed to clean up the entire forum of short, ignored, duplicated and sometimes even pointless news threads virtually overnight without any mod intervention. To begin posting a thread for each item that requires no more than a couple of posts of comments to flesh out with, for example, compatibilty questions, would be a step backwards, leaving the forum awash in a clutter of redundant threads.

The current method is, by far, the best option. There's an argument to be had for a separated, centralised discussion thread, but the inconvenience for users is high enough for it to be unused/ignored (as history has proven, actually). A friendly nudge to get back on topic, as would be the case in any other thread, is all that's needed to keep discussions to a sensible level.
On those rare occasions when a news item does warrant enough community conversation to garner it's own thread, you'll often find it has already been created in the Reviews or Questions section, or soon will be.


Anyway, these are just my observations. I've been around this forum since the split from the Paintball Forum, so I'm drawing on memory rather than searching the archives, but feel free to check back to even the month or so before the start date of the Airsoft News thread for some examples.

War Machine 539

No

Simply put, Yes discussion should be allowed. Mods should get the finger out and let constructive threads be. The God/Mod complex is creeping in I fear.

NakedDex

That's a bit unfair. Steve is rather highly regarded on this forum,and site-wide, as a fair and balanced mod. His presence here is specifically as a result of calls from within this forum for an unbiased, outside mod to be included in the mod team, and he's done a rather good job of it since his installment.
Someone with a God complex wouldn't have recognised the opposition, recinded the decision and opened the decision to being made by the community by way of this discussion and a vote. That actually sounds quite the opposite.

Let's discuss this without getting personal, shall we? No need for drama.

bullets

No

While the news thread does not usually have anything breathtakingly newsworthy
I enjoy the bit of banter and reactions to new products more than the news itself.

for me, I tend to use boards primarily for two main reasons.
during the day I dont have a choice . For me the likes of Arnies and other websites
which have airsoft news and discussions that I could look at at home are blocked in work.

The other reason is that its Irish/Local. People will tend to be discussing things in how
it relates to things happening on the Irish Airsoft scene.
So its mostly posters that are Living in Ireland or have lived/played here in the past.

With regard to discussions in a large thread that contains Pics etc I wish people would
take a bit of care when quoting. There's no need to quote
a posters entire thread picture included etc when replying to someone.
Snip everything you dont need.

~B

Puding

i can see the posts aimed at mods already starting to pop up, tbh i can see both sides. I would like to see airsoft discussion relating to the recent news, the problem we have always had with this is where do you draw the line and keep the largest % of people happy as you can not please 100% of the people all the time.

Its not as simple as 'omg freedom of speech' far to many people seem to think its the in thing to do is scream about how there being repressed, stop it , grow up, and put forward a constructive view point rather than defaulting to the all to come 'is it because im black' syndrome

Anyway enough with my pre tea morning rant , boards has very little actual airsoft discussion surprising little actually. The news thread does seem to at least be a catalyst for conversation. Other forums will have complete subsections for news and discussion on the news items, this is of course not practical on boards and we have to fit it all in one thread so of course we will have problems.

How about thing like this, I know not everyone has the time to view multiple news sites daily and have rss/facebook/twitter all set up with news coming in, im not naive i know that for a large part of the community boards is one of there only sources of exposer to airsoft information ( which explains a few things but that is a discussion for another day )

How about discussion be allowed which relates to the news is allowed, if this discussion develops we are proactive and ask mods to slit those posts off from the thread. This would have the advantage of keeping the larger conversations outside of the news thread and also exposing a larger percentage of the people on this forum to the topics which are discussed in the news thread , as some of the good stuff gets lost.

Not perfect by a long way but it trys to makes something positive rather than throwing toys out of the pram.

Also i will try and put together maybe a list of links to news articles on different sources for those just looking for a news feed rather than discussion.

Steve

War Machine 539 wrote: »

Simply put, Yes discussion should be allowed. Mods should get the finger out and let constructive threads be. The God/Mod complex is creeping in I fear.

That's your second attempt at shít stirring in the last few days - the other being in the charter overhaul thread. Have a week off.

If any mods here had a 'God' complex we would have invoked the sitewide rule that you don't discuss a mod decision on-thread instead of doing our best to find out and facilitate the wishes of the users here.

Steve

In other news... I think the votes overwhelmingly speak for themselves here so lets consider this resolved.

I think a good approach here would be to do as Puding suggested. If discussion on a particular item of news gathers enough momentum to warrant splitting the posts into a new thread then we can easily accommodate that.