Saw a guy getting reefed off the train

CommuterIE

I was one carriage ahead of the one he was on... so don't know what got him into trouble... but at Clontarf he was yanked out by two massive security guards... he started shouting "let go of my arm you ****ing idiots" Then the security guards took firmer action and his cries changed to "Your hurting my ****ing arms let go" loads of times... but you don't mess with those chaps Seeing the incident, I now relise why they are dressed like they are in Afghanistan... this **** they deal with every night

foggy_lad

CommuterIE wrote: »

I was one carriage ahead of the one he was on... so don't know what got him into trouble... but at Clontarf he was yanked out by two massive security guards... he started shouting "let go of my arm you ****ing idiots" Then the security guards took firmer action and his cries changed to "Your hurting my ****ing arms let go" loads of times... but you don't mess with those chaps Seeing the incident, I now relise why they are dressed like they are in Afghanistan... this **** they deal with every night

Maybe the security guards had made a mistake and assaulted the wrong person?

angel01

How can you judge if you don't know what he was supposed to have done wrong and why have you brought his nationality into this?

Atlantic Dawn

CommuterIE wrote: »

I was one carriage ahead of the one he was on... so don't know what got him into trouble... but at Clontarf he was yanked out by two massive security guards... he started shouting "let go of my arm you ****ing idiots" Then the security guards took firmer action and his cries changed to "Your hurting my ****ing arms let go" loads of times... but you don't mess with those chaps Seeing the incident, I now relise why they are dressed like they are in Afghanistan... this **** they deal with every night

Looks like he will be having a nice Christmas when he seeks compensation for assault.

HivemindXX

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Looks like he will be having a nice Christmas when he seeks compensation for assault.

We haven't been given any information whatsoever about the person who was grabbed by security so this is just general information not related to the incident in question.

The first thing every scumbag does when grabbed by security is start screaming "aaah, your hurting me, your breaking my arm". It's a tactic.

Fratton Fred

Since when was Clontarf in Afghanistan?

foggy_lad

HivemindXX wrote: »

We haven't been given any information whatsoever about the person who was grabbed by security so this is just general information not related to the incident in question.

The first thing every scumbag does when grabbed by security is start screaming "aaah, your hurting me, your breaking my arm". It's a tactic.

surely if you were being forcefully grabbed and restrained by some dressed up eastern european thugs you would protest just as vocally?

davetherave

foggy_lad wrote: »

surely if you were being forcefully grabbed and restrained by some dressed up eastern european thugs you would protest just as vocally?

What has their nationality go to do with this??

foggy_lad

davetherave wrote: »

What has their nationality go to do with this??

Nothing, Eastern European is not a nationality just an area of Europe that many of the people employed by STT originate. they are mostly ex-army and the armies of the former Soviot states are not a bit like our own national force today, many are riddled with corruption and assaults on colleagues and are generally believed to be a haven and breeding ground for petty and more violent criminals who wish to avoid jail just as the Irish Army was in the 60's and 70's.

reprazant

foggy_lad wrote: »

Nothing, Eastern European is not a nationality just an area of Europe that many of the people employed by STT originate. they are mostly ex-army and the armies of the former Soviot states are not a bit like our own national force today, many are riddled with corruption and assaults on colleagues and are generally believed to be a haven and breeding ground for petty and more violent criminals who wish to avoid jail just as the Irish Army was in the 60's and 70's.

Wow.

drunkmonkey

I'd agree with foggy it really sounds like the work of ex-Spetsnaz officers.

HivemindXX

foggy_lad wrote: »

surely if you were being forcefully grabbed and restrained by some dressed up eastern european thugs you would protest just as vocally?

You're letting your prejudices show. "Dressed up eastern european thugs"? You should be ashamed.

Anyway, I wouldn't be screaming that they were hurting me unless they actually were. Would you?

My comment is from experience a long time ago where part of my job was to stop the kids who dart in to the shop door grab an armful of anything not nailed down and run for it. They will scream blue murder like you are literally killing them.

As I said this is just a possible explanation of the events since I don't have any actual information to go on.

zagmund

Arragh, 800 years, bloody forriners, send them all home . . . .

Now, where was this topic going ? Ever . . . ?

z

p.s. in other news, security in security enforcement incident shocker

Morlar

In a situation like that, and going from as little information as there is above, I'd be inclined to side with the security guards (regardless of their nationality).

In my experience they (the ones on Dart and LUAS) are 100% professional and courteous. If they are 'reefing someone' off the train there is more than likely a good reason. I have never, ever heard of them doing that to the wrong person or behaving like that without a good reason.

Wolfe Tone

Wonder what he did that led the security guards to believe they had the right to assault him. Security guards have the same rights and permissions as the ordinary citizen, no matter how trumped up and ego driven they may be they aint Gardaí.

Morlar

Security guards in shops detain shoplifters everyday of the week and some of them aggressive, bouncers at nightclubs and pubs physically restrain and detain aggressive people / people who have just committed an assault - regularly too. I would have thought these guys on public transport have similair rights, I'd be surprised if they were not fully trained in exactly how far their rights & responsibilities go. You'd expect if they were not then their company would lose their contract in no time.

robd

Jee. Another thread on those nasty guys from STT again. Never had a problem with them. They're certainly mean looking, and look like guys you don't want to mess with. I've seen some thuggish looking guys panic and turn into angels at the site of them (open cans of beer quickly hidden), so whatever they're doing they seem to be having the desired effect.

Most of what they seem to target is consumption of alcohol or drugs and assault of other passengers.

Arm behind the back and twisted upwards, while painful is a standard method of detention, not assault.

Wolfe Tone

Well if the guy is innocent and was thrown off the train for no reason...... $$$$$$$$$$$$ time. No defense of reasonable suspicion either afaik.

Judgement Day

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

Well if the guy is innocent and was thrown off the train for no reason...... $$$$$$$$$$$$ time. No defense of reasonable suspicion either afaik.

Sure if he was English it was only just retribution.

Wolfe Tone

Judgement Day wrote: »

Sure if he was English it was only just retribution.

Don't be stupid.

BenShermin

I personally think that STT's staff attitude in general represents a very good case for a dedicated transport police in this country.

Comparing to the Gardaí they are a disgrace of a security company. In myb opinion, they are generally thuggish in appearence, they regularly don't have visable ID, and I find they are not approachable.

I've also seen them "restraining" some people and I think it's a far cry from the professional way the Gardaí would do it.

I've also witnessed them running past a group of junkies drinking and smoking inside a station to give trainspotters hassle for photography on more than one occassion.


One only has to look at the British Transport Police (BTP) to see how much of a joke this STT crowd is. The BTP always have visable ID, they are always seen to be helping passengers and they actively encourage trainspotting photography on stations as it has been proven to deter anti social behaviour!

I really think the STT is a poor attempt at really fighting the petty crime that exists on Irish Transport. Sure they look like they shouldn't be messed with, so they must be doing a good job:rolleyes:.

-Chris-

foggy_lad wrote: »

Nothing, Eastern European is not a nationality just an area of Europe that many of the people employed by STT originate. they are mostly ex-army and the armies of the former Soviot states are not a bit like our own national force today, many are riddled with corruption and assaults on colleagues and are generally believed to be a haven and breeding ground for petty and more violent criminals who wish to avoid jail just as the Irish Army was in the 60's and 70's.

I really hope you're not insinuating that any of the employees of STT are corrupt, prone to assaulting people, petty or violent criminals, or people who are somehow supposed to be in (but are avoiding going to) jail.

If you are, stop now.

mattjack

foggy_lad wrote: »

Nothing, Eastern European is not a nationality just an area of Europe that many of the people employed by STT originate. they are mostly ex-army and the armies of the former Soviot states are not a bit like our own national force today, many are riddled with corruption and assaults on colleagues and are generally believed to be a haven and breeding ground for petty and more violent criminals who wish to avoid jail just as the Irish Army was in the 60's and 70's.

oh lord......just as the Irish army was.......now i.m looking at all my family and friends who are ex army differantly

Judgement Day

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

Don't be stupid.

Just taking a leaf from your book.

-Chris-

@Wolfe Tone & Judgement Day - drop the handbags please.

AlekSmart

mattjack wrote: »

oh lord......just as the Irish army was.......now i.m looking at all my family and friends who are ex army differantly

Ah Mattjack,don`t take it to heart,you`d only need to worry if`n you had family and friends who were ex-army and busdrivers.... :eek:

dowlingm

Do all DART carriages have CCTV these days? If so, wouldn't you think STT guys would have to watch their step?

-recently in Toronto TTC drivers were reminded not to take photographs of people who photograph them or who they consider to being breaking the bylaws. All vehicles have CCTV (buses have something like 6 cameras internally) so drivers should leave it to them to capture video on the driver's behalf rather than escalate the situation.

foggy_lad

-Chris- wrote: »

I really hope you're not insinuating that any of the employees of STT are corrupt, prone to assaulting people, petty or violent criminals, or people who are somehow supposed to be in (but are avoiding going to) jail.

If you are, stop now.

Not at all.

the armies of the former Soviot states are not a bit like our own national force today, many are riddled with corruption and assaults on colleagues and are generally believed to be a haven and breeding ground for petty and more violent criminals who wish to avoid jail just as the Irish Army was in the 60's and 70's.

what i posted was not in any way implying or insinuating or meant to imply or insinuate any wrongdoing on the part of any STT employee or any other security employees in this country.

schemingbohemia

foggy_lad wrote: »

Not at all. what i posted was not in any way implying or insinuating or meant to imply or insinuate any wrongdoing on the part of any STT employee or any other security employees in this country.

What, therefore, was the point of your post then? Was it just to, generally, blacken the reputation of everyone who worked in the Irish Army in the 60s and 70s? And everyone who worked in all Eastern European armies?

Very odd, but not wholly surprising.

-Chris-

foggy_lad wrote: »

Not at all. what i posted was not in any way implying or insinuating or meant to imply or insinuate any wrongdoing on the part of any STT employee or any other security employees in this country.

Well then I don't know the purpose of your post, seeing as it doesn't refer to anyone relevant to this thread (by your own admission).

Posts like this have the potential to offend other people. Please be more careful with your posting in future.

@everyone - can we move on from this issue please?

Partizan

Judgement Day wrote: »

Sure if he was English it was only just retribution.

Shut up JD. More of that aul kind of talk and there will be no chicken dinner for you.

CommuterIE

Maldini2706

I this thread for real? Anyone who takes the Dart regularly knows the abuse these guys have to put up with. Some scumbag shouts that he's being hurt and suddenly they're heavy handed? Have you never seen someone being arrested by the Gardaí? They ALWAYS shout that they're being hurt because they're trying to wriggle out.