Responsible Parenting: Dad turns in own kids for bullying.

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Source: http://www.qt.com.au/story/2011/03/18/ipswich-dad-turns-in-kids-bullying-crime/

AN IRATE Ipswich father has marched his two children to a police station to have them charged with assault after catching them attacking another teen.

The father, who did not want to be identified, was so enraged with his kids that he sold his 17-year-old son's recently purchased car and 15-year-old daughter's horse as further punishment.

The pair admitted to picking on their bullying victim because he wore glasses, the same reason their father said he was bullied as a child.

The father said following the assault, which left the victim with a broken jaw, his two children would face court next month.

His act of tough love, which he told to radio station 97.3FM as part of a bullying awareness week, has won him plaudits from other parents.

He said the incident started this week when he came home from work early.

“About three weeks ago it was brought to my attention, through the school they attend, that they have been bullying a child at school,” he said.

“I came around the corner three streets from home. There's my 17-year-old son and 15-year-old daughter and they're fair beating the living crap out of this kid.”

He said he damaged his car as he pulled up on the gutter, dragged his kids into the back of the car and took the 13-year-old victim back to his home before doling out the punishment.

“I marched both my kids into the local police station. They've both now been charged with assault,” he said.

After returning home he said the 13-year-old had suffered a broken jaw in the assault.

The man said his daughter confessed to bullying the victim because he wore glasses, prompting the dad to pull out photos of him as a child with glasses.

He said he “detested” bullying and would stand behind the parents of the bullied child if they went ahead with charges.

After telling 97.3FM the story on Wednesday he called yesterday to say his kids had started to feel remorse for their actions.

“They're very remorseful for what they've done. They know they've done wrong. They regret it,” he said.

The father was contacted by The Queensland Times for comment but declined an interview.

Much respect to the man. I wish more parents were like this!

sonic85

that 17 year old is some hard man for picking on a 13 year old. bravo to the father - pity more parents dont take the initiative and try to stamp out that bullsh!t once and for all

Zillah

Here's hoping they learn their lesson and don't end up with a criminal record. It's good to see a parent with some backbone though.

Overheal

They won't talk to him in a couple years

magentas

fair play to the dad, that was much harder to do than ignore the situation or blindly defend them

poisonated

Fair play to the guy. If I was a parent of the other child, I don't think I would press charges though.

Oranage2

poisonated wrote: »

Fair play to the guy. If I was a parent of the other child, I don't think I would press charges though.

The kids jaw was broken!

Snakeblood

poisonated wrote: »

Fair play to the guy. If I was a parent of the other child, I don't think I would press charges though.

They broke the kids jaw. I'd demand they get nails driven through their heads.
Well, I probably wouldn't. But yeah, Id press charges alright.

sonic85

poisonated wrote: »

Fair play to the guy. If I was a parent of the other child, I don't think I would press charges though.

why not do you mind me asking? the two scumbags broke the chaps jaw. if i was his parent id repay the favour

edit: beaten to it!

poisonated

Yeah that's true. I don't know. I just don't think I would have the heart to do that. Maybe if it was more than just a hypothetical situation, I would feel differently.

Stinicker

I hope he doesn't need to depend on them when he gets older.

Blood is thicker than water and I would always always defend my own, no matter how wrong they were.

Duggy747

The 2 fùckers learnt what the consequences of their actions was.

Only pity is you don't hear enough of this sort of thing.

pragmatic1

Fair play to the father. I'd be disgusted with my kids if they were bullies.

seanybiker

Hope they get a criminal record and everything else they deserve for being little cnuts. Fair play to the father

pablomakaveli

Stinicker wrote: »

I hope he doesn't need to depend on them when he gets older.

Blood is thicker than water and I would always always defend my own, no matter how wrong they were.

You'd back your own if they were behaving like cowardly scumbags?

I think the man should be applauded. I know my parents would have killed me if i'd been bullying other kids when i was young. Unfortunately there are a lot of parents these days who'd refuse to accept their little darling was a bully.

sonic85

Stinicker wrote: »

I hope he doesn't need to depend on them when he gets older.

Blood is thicker than water and I would always always defend my own, no matter how wrong they were.

that might be ok for name calling or something but they kicked the crap out of somebody weaker than them and broke his jaw. if the father didnt come along the end product couldve been a lot worse. might have been murder or manslaughter instead of assault

Ev84

Stinicker wrote: »

I hope he doesn't need to depend on them when he gets older.

Blood is thicker than water and I would always always defend my own, no matter how wrong they were.

They will more than likely thank their father when they get older for leading them down the right path and onto a better life. I hear what you're saying and all but sure if he defended them after that what would they do next? You have to be cruel to be kind. He doesn't want his kids turning out like the scumbags who bullied him when he was young. It's completely understandable.

bonerm

Overheal wrote: »

They won't talk to him in a couple years

Big loss for him. They sound like a couple of pathetic idiots anyway.

Chaotic_Forces

Stinicker wrote: »

I hope he doesn't need to depend on them when he gets older.

Blood is thicker than water and I would always always defend my own, no matter how wrong they were.

Do you not mean stand by them? I understand exactly why he brought them to the police station and would understand exactly why he would still accept them and treat them like his kids but... it was a vicious attack on a person much weaker (we can safely assume that) than the two kids; not to mention the fact that it was a 2 on 1 attack and over something as little as glasses.

I can bet you that if it was a black kid being beaten up for being black you'd change your tune.

Stinicker

Hang on, I am not defending the kids actions however I think the father was a bit feckless in grassing his own kids out to the Police. If it were my own kids I'd punish them accordingly but not take them to the police.

Result of this:

Kids gets Criminal record, may possibly deteriorate into a further life of crime.
Kids named and shamed, future criminal record will hinder job prospects, visas to work and live abroad etc.
Father has probably permanently fractured his relationship with his children, such psychological damage to the kids that they may end up as career criminals as a result.

All this talk of tough love, however quite alot of our modern day scumbags develop out of tough love, abusive enviornments and grow up with an insolar deranged view of the world. Spare the rod, ruin the child, however in this fathers case he is now bolting the stable door after the horse has bolted and if he showed a different approach to parenting earlier on thenhe would never arrived at a situation where he found himself having to report his own kids to the police.

Ronin247

Devils advocate........If the father had done his job when they were young they wouldnt be 15 and 17 year old bullies!! No point in being all self righteous now.You instill morals and values from the time they are born.

Plus he is a rat bastard for going to the cops, should have kicked f*ck out of them himself with his glasses on, the 4 eyed gimp.

guess stinicker beat me to it.

Chaotic_Forces

Stinicker wrote: »

Hang on, I am not defending the kids actions however I think the father was a bit feckless in grassing his own kids out to the Police. If it were my own kids I'd punish them accordingly but not take them to the police.

Result of this:

Kids gets Criminal record, may possibly deteriorate into a further life of crime.
Kids named and shamed, future criminal record will hinder job prospects, visas to work and live abroad etc.
Father has probably permanently fractured his relationship with his children, such psychological damage to the kids that they may end up as career criminals as a result.

All this talk of tough love, however quite alot of our modern day scumbags develop out of tough love, abusive enviornments and grow up with an insolar deranged view of the world. Spare the rod, ruin the child, however in this fathers case he is now bolting the stable door after the horse has bolted and if he showed a different approach to parenting earlier on thenhe would never arrived at a situation where he found himself having to report his own kids to the police.

Two things you aren't realizing. Their father wore glasses as a child nad he too, was probably bullied. You don't know how bad kids can be bullied, if they don't see a true punishment for their actions then they'll just repeat them.

At the age of 15 and 17 they are well aware of what happens by breaking someone's jaw; they deserve to have a record for it. It's not as if they just threw a few insults or even broke his glasses. They acted like thugs and should be treated like such.

Oh and... you're actually saying it's a problem that he "grassed" on them? Seriously? :eek:

Chaotic_Forces

Ronin247 wrote: »

Devils advocate........If the father had done his job when they were young they wouldnt be 15 and 17 year old bullies!! No point in being all self righteous now.You instill morals and values from the time they are born.

Plus he is a rat bastard for going to the cops, should have kicked f*ck out of them himself with his glasses on, the 4 eyed gimp.

Grow up.

Biggins

Totally agree with what the father did.
Well done dad.

investment

I thing children are just a bad investment

sonic85

haha so now the father is getting the blame?! jeez. so just because the kids are scum that automatically means its the parents fault? the father knows what its like to be tormented - fair fcuks to him for trying to spare another innocent child of the same abuse. in my mind the pair of them deserve a lot more than a criminal record

Einhard

Ev84 wrote: »

They will more than likely thank their father when they get older for leading them down the right path and onto a better life. I hear what you're saying and all but sure if he defended them after that what would they do next? You have to be cruel to be kind. He doesn't want his kids turning out like the scumbags who bullied him when he was young. It's completely understandable.

I don't really agree with this to be honest, and I think the father may well regret his actions. Sure, the punks needed to be punished, and taught a lesson, but they face the possibility now of criminal convictions, and a record which may hinder their chances of obtaining employment for years to come.

Chaotic_Forces

sonic85 wrote: »

haha so now the father is getting the blame?! jeez. so just because the kids are scum that automatically means its the parents fault? the father knows what its like to be tormented - fair fcuks to him for trying to spare another innocent child of the same abuse. in my mind the pair of them deserve a lot more than a criminal record

I can understand why people say it would be his fault but... come on. Kids are people. Just because I have it rammed into me that X is bad, doesn't mean I'll listen to my friends. For all we know the father did do a wonderful job (and buying them a horse and a car seems like a good caring father); if he didn't make them take responsibility then I would blame him for not being a good parent.

He did all he could; he just had to turn them in to make them understand what they did.

Chaotic_Forces

Einhard wrote: »

I don't really agree with this to be honest, and I think the father may well regret his actions. Sure, the punks needed to be punished, and taught a lesson, but they face the possibility now of criminal convictions, and a record which may hinder their chances of obtaining employment for years to come.

Anyone who gives someone else a broken jaw through bullying at the age of 15 or 17 deserves to be on a chain-gang. The Hell would I be happy working with someone who's a violent bully.

Snakeblood

Einhard wrote: »

I don't really agree with this to be honest, and I think the father may well regret his actions. Sure, the punks needed to be punished, and taught a lesson, but they face the possibility now of criminal convictions, and a record which may hinder their chances of obtaining employment for years to come.

You can't break the law and expect to get away with it. I thought that was the basis of your anti Ming argument. Bit of consistency please.

Biggins

1. As they are under 18 their records will be closed/wiped clean when they reach 18.
2. Better to show them the consequences of their actions now and explain why it is wrong - than let them get away with it and let them build up a confidence that they can slowly but surely possibly get away with more and more...

Sometimes as a parent in the short term, you have to be cruel to be kind in effort for the long term.

Chaotic_Forces

Snakeblood wrote: »

You can't break the law and expect to get away with it. I thought that was the basis of your anti Ming argument. Bit of consistency please.

Haha, I was actually just thinking that myself. Good memory.

Stinicker

Chaotic_Forces wrote: »

Two things you aren't realizing. Their father wore glasses as a child nad he too, was probably bullied. You don't know how bad kids can be bullied, if they don't see a true punishment for their actions then they'll just repeat them.

At the age of 15 and 17 they are well aware of what happens by breaking someone's jaw; they deserve to have a record for it. It's not as if they just threw a few insults or even broke his glasses. They acted like thugs and should be treated like such.

Oh and... you're actually saying it's a problem that he "grassed" on them? Seriously? :eek:

I myself was severely bullied as a child in school, physically, emotionally and socially. This was quite a while ago, I see my former tormentors regularly and I think they are being punished on an almost daily for it, not by me but how their lifes turned out.

As a result of my own bullying I was no angel and had many a scuffle against said bullies, with my own father teaching me some boxing from his own days as a youth boxer, a cracked cheek bone for my main bully and me learning to fight back quickly resolved my bullying problem.

I do still think it is a problem that a father would take his own children to the police, there is something almost hard-wired into us to protect our own and if your own father hasn't got your back then it is pretty messed up.

steddyeddy

fair play to the dad but if I had kids like that I would bring them too a psychiatrist first

Chaotic_Forces

Snakeblood wrote: »

You can't break the law and expect to get away with it. I thought that was the basis of your anti Ming argument. Bit of consistency please.

Biggins wrote: »

1. As they are under 18 their records will be closed/wiped clean when they reach 18.
2. Better to show them the consequences of their actions now and explain why it is wrong - than let them get away with it and let them build up a confidence that they can slowly but surely possibly get away with more and more...

Sometimes as a parent in the short term, you have to be cruel to be kind in effort for the long term.

Really?! That's terrible. So, assuming it was the son who broke the kid's jaw, he's got less than a year and he gets a clean slate?

Chaotic_Forces

Stinicker wrote: »

I myself was severely bullied as a child in school, physically, emotionally and socially. This was quite a while ago, I see my former tormentors regularly and I think they are being punished on an almost daily for it, not by me but how their lifes turned out.

As a result of my own bullying I was no angel and had many a scuffle against said bullies, with my own father teaching me some boxing from his own days as a youth boxer, a cracked cheek bone for my main bully and me learning to fight back quickly resolved my bullying problem.

I do still think it is a problem that a father would take his own children to the police, there is something almost hard-wired into us to protect our own and if your own father hasn't got your back then it is pretty messed up.

Yes but self defense is okay. You were being physically attacked, you learned to defend yourself. Now, if you ended up going haywire and basically leaving the bullies in hospital then it would have been your father's fault for not teaching you that even though you can fight, you ought to have restraint.

And think of it this way: if they think they can go around bullying and beating up kids, who's to say the kid's older brother won't come along and leave those two in wheelchairs for beating up his sibling?

Spudmonkey

Fair play to their father. Who knows what kind of effect that bullying would have on that poor kid down the road. Little ****s deserve everything they get.

senordingdong

I don't think there will be any real consequences of this but atleast the father is trying.
Even if he only is putting the ****s up them.

Biggins

Chaotic_Forces wrote: »

Really?! That's terrible. So, assuming it was the son who broke the kid's jaw, he's got less than a year and he gets a clean slate?

Sadly in some cases, depending on the severity of the crime committed, thats the case.
But at least while the chap is young and impressionable, he might just learn his lesson.
We can only hope.

whatdoicare

Everyone is giving out about the kids being dragged to jail and getting a criminal record-
they were going to get one anyway when the parents of the bullied kid called the cops on them! Duh! If I was that kids parent I'd sure as hell call the cops for breaking my kids jaw!
The father made an excellent choice and it will probably work in their favour when it goes to court. They won't thank him for it now but when they're older they'll realise what a sacrifice he made for them in the long run.

Aoifey!

That must have been hard for him to do, I'm sure he'll get the silent treatment from his kids for quite sme time but hopefully they'll see in a year or 2 that it was the right thing to do.

Snakeblood

Biggins wrote: »

Sadly in some cases, depending on the severity of the crime committed, thats the case.
But at least while the chap is young and impressionable, he might just learn his lesson.
We can only hope.

He's learned that he's on his own when he does stuff like that, his family aren't going to cover for him, that's a good lesson there.

dreamers75

Overheal wrote: »

They won't talk to him in a couple years

Probably but you can only raise kids to either know right from wrong, you cant make/force them to pick. Thats their decison and one they should shoulder any reaction from.

Fair play to the dad if it was mine i would have broken both their jaws and had a thread on after hours about how much of a bastard father i was

Chaotic_Forces

Biggins wrote: »

Sadly in some cases, depending on the severity of the crime committed, thats the case.
But at least while the chap is young and impressionable, he might just learn his lesson.
We can only hope.

I know it's England and this is going back to about 8 years ago but I always thought if the crime was given a sentence over time, that they would continue it from a... youth detention center (I dunno what we call them here) onto prision at 17?

Hopefully both kids will grow up soon and become decent people.

whatdoicare wrote: »

Everyone is giving out about the kids being dragged to jail and getting a criminal record-
they were going to get one anyway when the parents of the bullied kid called the cops on them! Duh! If I was that kids parent I'd sure as hell call the cops for breaking my kids jaw!
The father made an excellent choice and it will probably work in their favour when it goes to court. They won't thank him for it now but when they're older they'll realise what a sacrifice he made for them in the long run.

True but not all victims can speak up if they're being bullied.

whatdoicare

Chaotic_Forces wrote: »

True but not all victims can speak up if they're being bullied.

What? I said the dad was right to do what he did. Your reply makes no sense....

Eve_Dublin

Jaysus, wouldn't you be gutted if you had kids like that?

Chaotic_Forces

whatdoicare wrote: »

What? I said the dad was right to do what he did. Your reply makes no sense....

Ah, right. I meant the about the part of the kid's parents would find out. If he was being servely bullied he might be scared to say what really happened, assuming of course that his parents didn't know.

Chaotic_Forces

Eve_Dublin wrote: »

Jaysus, wouldn't you be gutted if you had kids like that?

Or gut them.

whatdoicare

Chaotic_Forces wrote: »

Ah, right. I meant the about the part of the kid's parents would find out. If he was being servely bullied he might be scared to say what really happened, assuming of course that his parents didn't know.

In this case, they broke his jaw- the dad was already informed of his kids behaviour the week before - the dad caught his kids in the act and then delivered the kid home to his folks -the parents were going to figure it out even if little johnny didn't utter a word. I didn't say anything about other cases, I'm talking about this case, the one the OP is speaking about.

Wolfe Tone

Fair play to the dad.

Misty Chaos

I too am in agreement with what the father did, I know how it feels to be bullied and hate the fact that most parents of such kids wouldn't do anything about it either due to incompetence or delusion.

I'd be one person to buy him a drink.