cartoon regarding science/religion

imported_guy

hey guys, this question has come up in an exam i did, was wondering if you think my answers were correct



This comic shows

A. Science considers religion to be false
B. Truth can only be reached through religion
C. Science and religion can learn a lot from each other
D. Science has no truth of it's own to offer

The scientist in this comic

A. Believes that there are many different types of truth
B. Understands that religion is an ally in the search for truth
C. Considers truth as something unreachable
D. Holds science to be superior to religion

What is the comic's message?

a) Only science can provide the ultimate truth.
b) Only religion can provide the ultimate truth.
c) Neither science nor religion can provide the ultimate truth.
d) Science and religion must work together to provide the ultimate truth.

would love to hear your views on this comics and if my answers were right (i dont actually know which answers are correct)

Galvasean

Philosophy? *shudder*

imported_guy

Galvasean wrote: »

Philosophy? *shudder*

actually could have been better suited in that forum maybe... my bad... feel free to move it if you wish

MagicMarker

Is the one on the left supposed to be religion?

Personally I wouldn't have chosen any of those answers and it's stupid bloody questions like this that make me hate edumacation.

mikhail

Those are pretty ambiguous answers for multiple choice. The first one has to be A. The second could be C or D, probably D. The third could be a) or c) or even d). Every answer demands that you apply your own biases to the image to interpret the artist's intention.

imported_guy

Galvasean wrote: »

Philosophy? *shudder*

MagicMarker wrote: »

Is the one on the left supposed to be religion?

Personally I wouldn't have chosen any of those answers and it's stupid bloody questions like this that make me hate edumacation.

mikhail wrote: »

Those are pretty ambiguous answers for multiple choice. The first one has to be A. The second could be C or D, probably D. The third could be a) or c) or even d). Every answer demands that you apply your own biases to the image to interpret the artist's intention.

actually looking at people's interpetations i really do think it would have been better on the philosophy forum, most people here would fall for the obvious answers which are probably wrong, (the test is to do with logical reasoning)

magicbastarder

surely that question is asking you about the cartoon, rather than about philosophy?

sink

I would say it shows science can falsify religious truths but science cannot itself lay claim to absolute truth, and likely posits that no one can.

pH

imported_guy wrote: »

actually looking at people's interpetations i really do think it would have been better on the philosophy forum, most people here would fall for the obvious answers which are probably wrong, (the test is to do with logical reasoning)

Oh it's "logical reasoning", in that case the answer to the first question *cannot* be D (as the sentence doesn't make sense grammatically).

sink wrote:

I would say it shows science can falsify religious truths but science cannot itself lay claim to absolute truth, and likely posits that no one can.

I agree, that seems to sum up that cartoon nicely, how you go about shoehorning that into the A,B,C & D answers given seems an exercise in futility.

imported_guy

pH wrote: »

Oh it's "logical reasoning", in that case the answer to the first question *cannot* be D (as the sentence doesn't make sense grammatically).



I agree, that seems to sum up that cartoon nicely, how you go about shoehorning that into the A,B,C & D answers given seems an exercise in futility.

how is it wrong gramatically? (first one, cant rule answers out on basis of grammar, it could be that i wrote it wrong slightly wonder if its the "it's" bit you're concerned about?"

and on the rest of them, i think your answers could be right i guess, but on the last one, they are sitting on two different mountains, and there is no connection between the two, suggesting possibly that its not possible for them to work together

but you maybe right on the 3rd one being C, wish i knew the real answers lol!

and i doubt the 2nd one would be B, the religious chap is looking at the scientist but scientist seems to be on a "high horse" and ignoring him

kylith

I'd have said A, D, D, but it's actually a lot more complicated than that. I really don't like any of the answers because, imo, they paint science as arrogant and religion as 'true'.

eblistic

What was the exam?

liamw

What truth has religion ever found?

strobe

imported_guy wrote: »

hey guys, this question has come up in an exam i did, was wondering if you think my answers were correct



This comic shows

A. Science considers religion to be false
B. Truth can only be reached through religion
C. Science and religion can learn a lot from each other
D. Science has no truth of it's own to offer

The scientist in this comic

A. Believes that there are many different types of truth
B. Understands that religion is an ally in the search for truth
C. Considers truth as something unreachable
D. Holds science to be superior to religion

What is the comic's message?

a) Only science can provide the ultimate truth.
b) Only religion can provide the ultimate truth.
c) Neither science nor religion can provide the ultimate truth.
d) Science and religion must work together to provide the ultimate truth.

would love to hear your views on this comics and if my answers were right (i dont actually know which answers are correct)

Was the exam in Art? Or philosophy, or.....? Did you have to select one of the multiple choice or could you write in an answer?

The questions are art interpretation questions more than anything and the way they are phrased seem to be asking what you believe the artist was trying to say. Most artists would have a certain message or meaning in mind but would not be as crass as to come right out and explain themselves and would create their art with the aim of leaving it open to each individual to interpret for themselves and therefore any of the answers are correct as long as you can explain why you believe that is what is being conveyed.

Who wrote this exam question as a test of logical reasoning? I want to find him and push him down into a big pile of muck.

magicbastarder

the cartoon is not even funny anyway.

imported_guy

eblistic wrote: »

What was the exam?

its called GAMSAT

liamw wrote: »

What truth has religion ever found?

irrelevant

strobe wrote: »

Was the exam in Art? Or philosophy, or.....? Did you have to select one of the multiple choice or could you write in an answer?

The questions are art interpretation questions more than anything and the way they are phrased seem to be asking what you believe the artist was trying to say. Most artists would have a certain message or meaning in mind but would not be as crass as to come right out and explain themselves and would create their art with the aim of leaving it open to each individual to interpret for themselves and therefore any of the answers are correct as long as you can explain why you believe that is what is being conveyed.

Who wrote this exam question as a test of logical reasoning? I want to find him and push him down into a big pile of muck.

its called GAMSAT, and i'd like to do the last bit too :P, its made by ACER same guys who make HPAT

magicbastarder wrote: »

the cartoon is not even funny anyway.

irrelevant as well

Dades

Moved from A&A to Philosophy at OP's request.

Mark Hamill

My responses in bold

imported_guy wrote: »

hey guys, this question has come up in an exam i did, was wondering if you think my answers were correct



This comic shows

A. Science considers religion to be false
B. Truth can only be reached through religion
C. Science and religion can learn a lot from each other
D. Science has no truth of it's own to offer
E. That science has rebuttals for the "truths" that religion offers

The scientist in this comic

A. Believes that there are many different types of truth
B. Understands that religion is an ally in the search for truth
C. Considers truth as something unreachable
D. Holds science to be superior to religion
E. Is confident that he has rebuttals for religious truths (although "D" isn't too far off either)

What is the comic's message?

a) Only science can provide the ultimate truth.
b) Only religion can provide the ultimate truth.
c) Neither science nor religion can provide the ultimate truth.
d) Science and religion must work together to provide the ultimate truth.
E) Religions "truths" can be refuted by science. (it doesn't imply anything about the existence of an ultimate truth imo)

would love to hear your views on this comics and if my answers were right (i dont actually know which answers are correct)

The GAMSAT is the Graduate Medical School Admission Ireland, right? What has this pseudo-philosophical question got to do with medical school admissions?

imported_guy

Mark Hamill wrote: »

My responses in bold


The GAMSAT is the Graduate Medical School Admission Ireland, right? What has this pseudo-philosophical question got to do with medical school admissions?

yes it is, the question is from the humanities/logical/verbal reasoning section, your answers are pretty interesting btw

for the first one, i interpreted D as, science is too busy refuting religious claims, and hence doesnt offer any truths itself but it could be C if you want a more literal approach

in the second one, your E is a better answer than D, and somewhere in the middle i think lies C, since they're at the same height on mountains, i guess the artist is depicting them as equals rather than hinting one is better than the other

in the third one, E is pretty close to C again, even though some science cant be refuted, it hasnt reached the level of providing the ultimate truth

Tin Foil Hat

imported_guy wrote: »

hey guys, this question has come up in an exam i did, was wondering if you think my answers were correct



This comic shows

A. Science considers religion to be false
B. Truth can only be reached through religion
C. Science and religion can learn a lot from each other
D. Science has no truth of it's own to offer

The scientist in this comic

A. Believes that there are many different types of truth
B. Understands that religion is an ally in the search for truth
C. Considers truth as something unreachable
D. Holds science to be superior to religion

What is the comic's message?

a) Only science can provide the ultimate truth.
b) Only religion can provide the ultimate truth.
c) Neither science nor religion can provide the ultimate truth.
d) Science and religion must work together to provide the ultimate truth.

would love to hear your views on this comics and if my answers were right (i dont actually know which answers are correct)

This doesn't look like an exam question. It looks more like one of those ink-blot tests. You're being profiled, mate. Run for it.

Mark Hamill

imported_guy wrote: »

yes it is, the question is from the humanities/logical/verbal reasoning section, your answers are pretty interesting btw

for the first one, i interpreted D as, science is too busy refuting religious claims, and hence doesnt offer any truths itself but it could be C if you want a more literal approach

The scientist doesn't look that busy to me. Besides, by refuting the religious "truths", who's to say that science can discover a few of its own? The best rebuttal is to show how something actually works.

imported_guy wrote: »

in the third one, E is pretty close to C again, even though some science cant be refuted, it hasnt reached the level of providing the ultimate truth

I think if you remember that the cartoon was probably not written by the same person who made the questions, then you should see that the statements are biased by the interpretation of the person who wrote them. I think you are allowing yourself be led by the poor, restrictive wording in the statements. I see nothing in the cartoon that indicates whether the artist believes that ultimate truths even exist, or that science cant give truths as realistically confident as the religious guy thinks his is.

I think the person who wrote the statements has left you with three false quadchotomies (tetrachotomies? whatever the four choice version of a dichotomy is)

Dades

WTF is this thread doing back here?

imported_guy - did someone tell you they were moving it back?

Dades

Dades wrote: »

WTF is this thread doing back here?

imported_guy - did someone tell you they were moving it back?

Ping pong!

Galvasean

Poor thread. Nobody wants you.

Newaglish

Move it to Christianity next! If it travels around enough forums we can aggregate some sort of answer!

Doctor DooM

Sure fire it over to fighting games for a while, I can promise some really interesting answers.

amacachi

If that's a GAMSAT question I may not do as well in it as I did in the HPAT.

imported_guy

Dades wrote: »

WTF is this thread doing back here?

imported_guy - did someone tell you they were moving it back?

nope im not in the loop :P

Galvasean wrote: »

Poor thread. Nobody wants you.

, actually lets move it to the comics section... "for the craic?" or art one :P

amacachi wrote: »

If that's a GAMSAT question I may not do as well in it as I did in the HPAT.

yeah the reasoning sections are pretty much the same/similar, some of the HPAT questions come up in the science section actually (the aldosterone one from the HPAT sample paper rings a bell), basically ACER have a question bank for all their tests, and the mix and match and recycle their questions, with about 10 new questions every year which arent marked, the rest of the questions have been in a test before. (or the questions might be slightly different, with the "units" being the same) trust me its the same with HPAT, one of these prep companies will compile all the questions and publish them, then they'll probably have to get rid of the HPAT or come up with more questions, and its pretty damn hard comming up with new questions for these sorta tests, even if they have like 1000 different questions to choose from, thats nothing, USMLE step one has about 5000 questions in a Q bank (or used to, might be more now), and anyone who wants to do well will learn every single one of those off and thats how people get 99s/250s on step one

Galvasean

OP, maybe you should start the thread again in another forum? This particular incarnation seems unsalvagable.
Sorry for not taking it seriously.

imported_guy

Galvasean wrote: »

OP, maybe you should start the thread again in another forum? This particular incarnation seems unsalvagable.
Sorry for not taking it seriously.

no bother , you can lock it away, any recommendations to where i should start it :O?

AH?

Galvasean

Psst, why does everyone think I'm the A&A mod?

Galvasean

Galvasean wrote: »

Psst, why does everyone think I'm the A&A mod?

You're a mod who posts in A&A ofc!

Dades

Galvasean wrote: »

Psst, why does everyone think I'm the A&A mod?

Must be your rugged good looks. :pac:

I'm still trying to find the culprit responsible for sending this thread back here!

Doctor DooM

Dades wrote: »

Must be your rugged good looks. :pac:

I'm still trying to find the culprit responsible for sending this thread back here!

Does it not say in the change log?

Tin Foil Hat

Galvasean wrote: »

Psst, why does everyone think I'm the A&A mod?

It's because you're clearly a mod, and you hang around this forum like Charlie Sheen around a porn star. Glad I could help

Dades

Doctor DooM wrote: »

Does it not say in the change log?

Might if I knew what that was... anyhoo it appears it was just moved back by accident... no big deal.

Turtwig

I would say either :

Dcb
or
Dcc

roosh

imported_guy wrote: »

hey guys, this question has come up in an exam i did, was wondering if you think my answers were correct



This comic shows

A. Science considers religion to be false
B. Truth can only be reached through religion
C. Science and religion can learn a lot from each other
D. Science has no truth of it's own to offer

The scientist in this comic

A. Believes that there are many different types of truth
B. Understands that religion is an ally in the search for truth
C. Considers truth as something unreachable
D. Holds science to be superior to religion

What is the comic's message?

a) Only science can provide the ultimate truth.
b) Only religion can provide the ultimate truth.
c) Neither science nor religion can provide the ultimate truth.
d) Science and religion must work together to provide the ultimate truth.

would love to hear your views on this comics and if my answers were right (i dont actually know which answers are correct)

I would say A, D, A on the basis that the sign beside the scientist: "the rebuttal", has to refer to the sign beside the mystic: "the truth"; that is, the scientists sign refers to the rebuttal of the mystics truth.

1) The rebuttal shows that science considers religion to be false, since that is what a rebuttal does i.e. [attempt to] demonstrate as false.

2) It shows that the scientist thinks science is superior because the rebuttal sign says nothing about the absolute truth in itself i.e. it doesn't say that it is either reachable or not; it simply rebuts the truth the mystic claims to have - which, according to the scientist, is not the truth anyway. It also says that science can rebut religion, thereby making it superior.

3) I would say that the comics message is: only science can provide the ultimate truth, because the falsification of a claim, itself, leads to the truth.

Gambler

imported_guy wrote: »

, actually lets move it to the comics section... "for the craic?" or art one :P

Eeeek - **keeps an extra close eye on the comics forum just in case**

Nollog

imported_guy wrote: »

hey guys, this question has come up in an exam i did, was wondering if you think my answers were correct



This comic shows

A. Science considers religion to be false
B. Truth can only be reached through religion
C. Science and religion can learn a lot from each other
D. Science has no truth of it's own to offer

The scientist in this comic

A. Believes that there are many different types of truth
B. Understands that religion is an ally in the search for truth
C. Considers truth as something unreachable
D. Holds science to be superior to religion

What is the comic's message?

a) Only science can provide the ultimate truth.
b) Only religion can provide the ultimate truth.
c) Neither science nor religion can provide the ultimate truth.
d) Science and religion must work together to provide the ultimate truth.

would love to hear your views on this comics and if my answers were right (i dont actually know which answers are correct)

I think C for the first one because the religious fellow is looking at the scientist.
C and D could be true in the second question, but I'm leaning more toward C.
D for the last.