Fairy tales -vs- The Bible

dilbert2

Which story book do you prefer - the Bible, or children's fairy tales. Which are more believable for you?

Caoimhín

Crikey, where did that one come out of at 3.20 am on a Thursday morning?

I have insomnia, whats your excuse?

AskMyChocolate

Aesop's Fables Ftw.

SomeFool

Whichever one has pictures

RichieC

some Childrens fairy tales have a good moral grounding without the whole hate gays, hate people who aren't the same, slavery is grand, stone unruly children, throw your wife to mobs of rapists to protect you men guests stuff..

though most fairy tales promote a shallow view of the world...

I voted Fairy tales just because probably less people died over them and well.. the world isn't totally fked up over them either..

marcsignal

The Bible, particularly the story where Jesus is laid in the tomb.:pac:

Senna

The bible kicks kids books ass, Hookers, Drugs, Violence and Murder.
Hans Christian Andersen aint got none of the good stuff.

dilbert2

Caoimhín wrote: »

Crikey, where did that one come out of at 3.20 am on a Thursday morning?

I have insomnia, whats your excuse?

Same thing unfortunately, well for tonight anyway.

marcsignal

Senna wrote: »

The bible kicks kids books ass, Hookers, Drugs, Violence and Murder.
Hans Christian Andersen aint got none of the good stuff.

Moses goes up the hill and comes back down with 2 tablets

Caoimhín

dilbert2 wrote: »

Same thing unfortunately, well for tonight anyway.

Its a balls isnt it? If i dont get enough exercise during the day or if i am even a little bit wound up i can stay awake for days on end :mad:

KnifeWRENCH

Fairy tales are boring. The Bible is much more fun, what with all the plagues and smiting and crucifying and whatnot...

Caoimhín

KnifeWRENCH wrote: »

Fairy tales are boring. The Bible is much more fun, what with all the plagues and smiting and crucifying and whatnot...

And genocide, dont forget the auld genocide.

Jesus Wept

They are both pretty creepy generally but at least most people realise that Fairytales are just that.

Sisko

Star wars and the lord of the rings should be up there too tbh.

That's literally the thing that I can never get over about religion, its exactly the same as believing star wars is real. Believing in the jedi order etc etc, end of the day they're all works of man made fiction.

Believing there is more to this world, our existence and what not is one thing.

Believing in man made fiction like the bible or star wars because it makes you feel better, is an entirely different thing. The irony of a religions person calling someone who believes he's a jedi, or an elf from LOTOR, an idiot amazes me.

MagicSean

Yay, another religion bashing thread. We certainly need one of those.

Sisko

Of course we do, it needs to be bashed. Its ridiculous. You've had your thousands of years , its our turn now. :pac:

Spunge

If God isn't real then who wrote the Bible ?

Christians - 1
Atheists - 0

RichieC

RichieC wrote: »

some Childrens fairy tales have a good moral grounding .

Like it's ok to dump your kids in the forest or lock them up in a tower or make them scrub the house all day? :pac:

Caoimhín

bluewolf wrote: »

Like it's ok to dump your kids in the forest or lock them up in a tower or make them scrub the house all day? :pac:

Well not ALL day.

Chad ghostal

religion bashing humour http://www.quickmeme.com/Advice-God/

philologos

dilbert2 wrote: »

Which story book do you prefer - the Bible, or children's fairy tales. Which are more believable for you?

What about you? :pac:

Zebra3

Spunge wrote: »

If God isn't real then who wrote the Bible ?

The bible was written by man.

Spunge wrote: »

Christians - 1
Atheists - 0

No it's not Neddy. :rolleyes:

Wood

Spunge wrote: »

If God isn't real then who wrote the Bible ?

Christians - 1
Atheists - 0

I'll take a wild stab in the dark and say these guys : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authorship_of_the_Bible

You know, people who existed, now go back and talk to your imaginary friend in the clouds

Christians- 0

philologos

Zebra3 wrote: »

The bible was written by man.

Christians would agree with you with a caveat, namely that they were inspired by God to do so.

gosuckonalemon

Jakkass wrote: »

Christians would agree with you with a caveat, namely that they were inspired by God to do so.

I heard they were high on tiger juice at the time thou.......

Lots of wonderful things happened when people were inspired by others, very often resulting in dire consequences!

partyatmygaff

How about you include the Qur'an and the other few religious books of the world religions?


At least then you wouldn't look as if you've got an axe to grind.

KeithAFC

I'll go with Fairy tales. I like reading Sinn Feins website.

Guill

All fairy tales are wriiten with some moral/ethical/practical lesson for the reader to take from it in mind, as are the books of the Bible. Whichever you prefer does not matter.

Predator_

KeithAFC wrote: »

I'll go with Fairy tales. I like reading Sinn Feins website.

:rolleyes:

partyatmygaff

KeithAFC wrote: »

I'll go with Fairy tales. I like reading Sinn Feins website.

Do you ever miss a chance to say "Hey, look at me, i'm a Unionist"?

Militant unionism anyone?

Canis Lupus

Jakkass wrote: »

Christians would agree with you with a caveat, namely that they were inspired by God to do so.

Prove it :P :pac:

MagicSean

Sisko wrote: »

Of course we do, it needs to be bashed. Its ridiculous. You've had your thousands of years , its our turn now. :pac:

I don't actually believe in organised religion. I just despise the hypocrisy of the majority of aethiests when it comes to their oppression of religious people. Someone has a right to believe in something as well as the right not to.

Canis Lupus

k_mac wrote: »

I don't actually believe in organised religion. I just despise the hypocrisy of the majority of aethiests when it comes to their oppression of religious people. Someone has a right to believe in something as well as the right not to.

People can believe what they like but it's when it interferes in my life I have an issue with it. If you don't think religion affects atheists, particularly in Ireland you're a bit naive.

MagicSean

Canis Lupus wrote: »

People can believe what they like but it's when it interferes in my life I have an issue with it. If you don't think religion affects atheists, particularly in Ireland you're a bit naive.

Religion doesn't affect athiests. There are some traditions left over from religion that probably do but they generally benefit athiests. I'm sure athiests encounter prejudice from some people but it's not much different to the contempt with which they look at believers.

the_syco

Spunge wrote: »

If God isn't real then who wrote the Bible ?

Christians - 1
Atheists - 0

Some stoner wrote the bible after gods rep got nailed to a cross.

KeithAFC wrote: »

I'll go with Fairy tales. I like reading Sinn Feins website.

By this comment, are you saying that Gerreh Odams is a gawd?

Canis Lupus wrote: »

If you don't think religion affects atheists, particularly in Ireland you're a bit naive.

Quite you, and go to church, or you won't get married, and your kids won't get to goto school...

Canis Lupus

k_mac wrote: »

Religion doesn't affect athiests. There are some traditions left over from religion that probably do but they generally benefit athiests. I'm sure athiests encounter prejudice from some people but it's not much different to the contempt with which they look at believers.

Erm... Stuff like the majority of schools in Ireland are run by the church but paid for by the state. Tax paying atheists might get grumpy at this. Never mind being an atheist teacher and trying to get a job if you openly declare your athiesm. You know you need to get a bishops permission to get a job in one of these state funded but church run schools?

The political sway the church has and it's effects on gay rights and abortion etc etc

Ireland has a blasphemy law. trolololo

and so on and so forth.

Wibbs

partyatmygaff wrote: »

How about you include the Qur'an and the other few religious books of the world religions?


At least then you wouldn't look as if you've got an axe to grind.

OK. The Quran and Islam is basically just one of the judeochristian "heresies" that made it. Just like christianity before it was a judeo heresy that made it. There were loads of them about at the time and in that neck of the woods. It got lucky on the back of aggressive empire building. Again not unlike christianity. The source material, judaism is equally from all sorts of sources and evolved. Originally there was mr and mrs God. Some of the evolutionary stuff remains if you look for it. The devil is a classic example. In the early torah/bible he's more a judge than the yang to gods ying. He evolves into the tempter by Jesus' time, by the time the church gets its hands on the concept we get the full hollywood horror treatment. Islam also fires him up and invents djinns/genies to boot. Classic stuff.

Dont get me started on buddha.

partyatmygaff

Wibbs wrote: »

OK. The Quran and Islam is basically just one of the judeochristian "heresies" that made it. Just like christianity before it was a judeo heresy that made it. There were loads of them about at the time and in that neck of the woods. It got lucky on the back of aggressive empire building. Again not unlike christianity. The source material, judaism is equally from all sorts of sources and evolved. Originally there was mr and mrs God. Some of the evolutionary stuff remains if you look for it. The devil is a classic example. In the early torah/bible he's more a judge than the yang to gods ying. He evolves into the tempter by Jesus' time, by the time the church gets its hands on the concept we get the full hollywood horror treatment. Islam also fires him up and invents djinns/genies to boot. Classic stuff.

Dont get me started on buddha.

Whatever it is or is not is irrelevant.

If the OP does not have a specific vendetta against Christianity then why has he only included the Bible in his poll? At present it just looks as if he's trying to appeal to popular opinion in AH.

MagicSean

Canis Lupus wrote: »

Erm... Stuff like the majority of schools in Ireland are run by the church but paid for by the state. Tax paying atheists might get grumpy at this. Never mind being an atheist teacher and trying to get a job if you openly declare your athiesm. You know you need to get a bishops permission to get a job in one of these state funded but church run schools?

The political sway the church has and it's effects on gay rights and abortion etc etc

Ireland has a blasphemy law. trolololo

and so on and so forth.

The reason schools and hospitals are run by religious orders is because they founded them when nobody else would. Not out of some urge to control the minds of the young but because they were needed. This is something that we should be grateful for. There are similar schools for other religions and for non-
religious that all get funded by the state. And there is no problem with children of different faiths going to any of the catholic run schools.

If a job applicant were to be discriminated against on the grounds of their religion it would be a breach of the equality act and would not be accepted.

Gay rights are not affected by religion either. Gay people have the same rights as anyone else. The only exception is adoption. This is because Ireland has not yet decided wether a gay couple can successfully raise a child. You can claim that religion influences this but it is more likely a result of ignorance and misunderstanding.

Ireland has a blasphemy law to protect the rights of a person to follow their beliefs without persecution. It applies to all religions. It doesn't affect the right of someone not to believe or to assert this. There are arguments for and against it. It doesn't bother me as I don't feel the need to attack religious beliefs.

bonerm

Speaking of religions, Just remember April 10th. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jedi_census_phenomenon

New Zealand are the current front-runners with 1.5% Jedi. Could Ireland even come close? Doubt it considering deep down were a unprincipled bunch of bastards with no genuine sense of humour, but I'll certainly be subtracting 1 from the Catholic Church total.

cancsajn

SomeFool wrote: »

Whichever one has pictures

yess

Wibbs

Oh yea,defo. He or she's Irish so the vendetta will be agin the catholic/christian faith. It's pretty common around here. We've little contact with buddhists and think them those cute fellas in the red robes/dalai lama(do NOT get me started on that joker). Taking the pee outa the jewish religion isn't exactly smiled upon and taking same out of the muslim faith is all too often not so good for ones health.

partyatmygaff

bonerm wrote: »

I'll certainly be subtracting 1 from the Catholic Church total.

Did you put yourself down as Catholic in the last Census then?

sbsquarepants

k_mac wrote: »

I don't actually believe in organised religion. I just despise the hypocrisy of the majority of aethiests when it comes to their oppression of religious people. Someone has a right to believe in something as well as the right not to.

For centuries people didn't have the right not to believe, or to believe something different, countless people have been put to death for it in fact. It's still a crime in some parts of the world to be an atheist, or to change your religion.
I think we should have a couple of centuries of burning the religious then we'll say it's all square:D

sensibleken

People who think the Bible is cooler that fairy tales because of all the se and violence obviously havent read Propper Irish fairy tales. Highly recomend Lebor Gabhala Erenn for uber ass kicking

prinz

There was a post on another similar thread two days ago which actually, and in seriousness, claimed that AH was full of pro-religion threads started by theists in which atheists were made to feel unwelcome. It was thanked by a number of posters some of whome I thought would know better. I'd love to link it but I think that's against the charter just to highlight the completely ridiculous notions that float about this forum.


Either way I for one am glad to see another theist-started thread for all us theists to celebrate how little we think of the opinions of atheists. Oh wait....

Wibbs

k_mac wrote: »

The reason schools and hospitals are run by religious orders is because they founded them when nobody else would. Not out of some urge to control the minds of the young but because they were needed.

Yes and no. "Give me the boy and I'll give you the man" was an element of it.

And there is no problem with children of different faiths going to any of the catholic run schools.

There isn't now, but I remember the tail end of a time when there was. There was also a time when it was considered well dodgy for a catholic to even attend somewhere like Trinity college and that didn't come from the prods either.

Gay rights are not affected by religion either. Gay people have the same rights as anyone else. The only exception is adoption. This is because Ireland has not yet decided wether a gay couple can successfully raise a child. You can claim that religion influences this but it is more likely a result of ignorance and misunderstanding.

Again yes and no. The catholic faith of this country as you see it today was a very different beast a generation ago. No? Try buying a condom in 1981. Try getting a divorce. Try getting info on abortion. Try watching the life of brian in the cinema. look at the gynecological damage meted out to women by the same religious hospitals. We were incredibly backward. All because of the influence of those cassocked eejits.

grizzly

k_mac wrote: »

Gay rights are not affected by religion either.

Lev 20:13 "If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death."

philologos

grizzly wrote: »

Lev 20:13 "If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death."

It seems to be clear that you don't understand what Christianity is. Namely a living response to what Jesus did for us 2000 years ago.

Yes, our sin actually is deserving of death, hence why it is written that the wages of sin is death (Romans ch 6)

The good news is that Jesus already paid the penalty of death for our sins on the cross, and was resurrected to new life just as we are in Him.

As such, nobody has to pay this penalty and this is the reason why the vast majority of Christians I've come across oppose the death penalty. If Jesus died for my sin, how can I expect someone else to die for theirs?

Key distinction between Christianity and Judaism / Islam.

sensibleken

Jakkass wrote: »

It seems to be clear that you don't understand what Christianity is. Namely a living response to what Jesus did for us 2000 years ago.

Yes, our sin actually is deserving of death, hence why it is written that the wages of sin is death (Romans ch 6)

The good news is that Jesus already paid the penalty of death for our sins on the cross, and was resurrected to new life just as we are in Him.

As such, nobody has to pay this penalty and this is the reason why the vast majority of Christians I've come across oppose the death penalty. If Jesus died for my sin, how can I expect someone else to die for theirs?

Key distinction between Christianity and Judaism / Islam.

All sounds perfectly reasonable and verifiable to me.

Is there any scale on this paying for the sins stuff. Does that mean I can rob a bank because JC got died for three days

Pompey Magnus

Jakkass wrote: »

It seems to be clear that you don't understand what Christianity is. Namely a living response to what Jesus did for us 2000 years ago.

Perhaps you should rephrase that and claim that it is other Christians who don't have the same understanding of Christianity as you, because whether you like it or not the previous poster was correct in pointing it out as it is passages such as that in Leviticus which have been used time and again by those Christians who wish to discriminate against and condemn homosexuals.