Avoid Petrol Stations on Friday 11th

C4Kid

On Cork's RedFM this morning Victor Barry suggested that people avoid buying ANYTHING in a Petrol station on Friday (11th), petrol, sweets, the paper. It's pretty simple and I'm up for it for what it's worth. Probably nothing but anyway... makes no difference to me.

I rarely buy anything else then petrol in a garage most of the time and I've still got about 50 litres in the tank so I wouldn't be going to a petrol station on Friday anyway.

Tigger

Why? it's not the petrol stations that set the price of fuel

Cookie_Monster

why did he suggest that, why the Friday and what does he think it'll achieve?

Wats_in_a_name

Petrol stations make barely any profit on petrol. Stupid Idea.

-Corkie-

C4Kid wrote: »

On Cork's RedFM this morning Victor Barry suggested that people avoid buying ANYTHING in a Petrol station on Friday (11th), petrol, sweets, the paper. It's pretty simple and I'm up for it for what it's worth. Probably nothing but anyway... makes no difference to me.

I rarely buy anything else then petrol in a garage most of the time and I've still got about 50 litres in the tank so I wouldn't be going to a petrol station on Friday anyway.

Shur you and everyone else will have to go sometime...

Thats not going to fix anything. I really wonder about the mentality of these media people.

sherdydan

Ridiculous idea, as already said, station's don't set fuel prices.

anyway, people still have to buy that fuel, they just wont do so on a friday if it goes ahead, it would make more sense to just not use the car that day.

Cookie_Monster

Tigger wrote: »

Why? it's not the petrol stations that set the price of fuel

of course they do. They know the price they buy it at and the overhead they have to build in and the competitions prices and set them accordingly. That or the head office does it for them.

bazz26

Ok but how does that work? Won't it kind of be defeating if people just buy their fuel on either the Thursday or the Saturday instead? Surely all that will happen is the filling stations will have poor takings on the Friday but make it back on the Thursday or Saturday due to people filling up on those days instead?

Maybe I'm being a bit cynical here but at the end of the day vehicles are dependant on fuel and we as a nation are heavily dependant on our vehicles, whether fuel is bought on Friday 11th March or not.

mikemac

They make more margin on a bottle of lucozade then a litre of petrol

There was a station in Nenagh that used to price themselves way lower then everywhere else and you'd often get queues there.
But had a huge forecourt shop and that's how they made their money

I like that business model!

Tomebagel

ya but atleast the government wont be getting any of the 80c tax per litre if it does go ahead,better then sitting back and doing nothing like what the irish usually do! cant do any harm in trying

kippy

Lobby your recently elected local TD's. Far more effective and more likely to succeed.
Email, Phone, meet them in person, ask them what they are planning to do to reduce either:
1. The cost of fuel.
2. The cost for hauliers and businesses.

DublinWriter

The usual BS that gets trotted out once every three years...everyone needs to buy petrol/diesel. One day of abstention makes feck all difference.

Petrol stations don't dictate the price of fuel...it's an international spot price exacerbated by the ridiculous amount of duty that we pay in this country and UK. Even the US with their low taxation on fuel are considering capping the price of oil at the pump for consumers.

Boycott the government if you want to boycott anyone.

mickydoomsux

Tomebagel wrote: »

ya but atleast the government wont be getting any of the 80c tax per litre if it does go ahead

Yes they will. The fuel will still be sold at some point so they'll still get the tax.

This is a silly idea.

bazz26

Tomebagel wrote: »

ya but the government wont be getting any of the 80c tax per litre if it does go ahead,better then sitting back and doing nothing like what the irish usually do! cant do any harm in trying

But they will collect the 80c per litre, just not on the Friday.

billyboy01

Well if the costs of motoring continue to rise with more tax on fuel and the proposed 50 and 100 quid rise in motortax! Less people will be driving in the long run anyway, hence the states revenues will be hit! So let the greedy cnuts continue to rape the golden goose to death, and see what happens!

The mentality of the thicks in control in this penal state! :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

C4Kid

why did he suggest that, why the Friday and what does he think it'll achieve?

He heard some stations rip off customers with price increases while they bought fuel at the previous delivery price. Thats what he came up with. Any of these things never work and are pointless I know. Hopefully the govt will reduce some tax on fuel.

Tigger

the most thyey might get would be 3 cent x 60L which is 1.80 of which 21 % is vat =31.24 and 2/3rds of the rest is excise and charges ,so the most they might get is 50c
thats hardly a rip off

as a previous poster posted stations make money on sweets fast food and minerals if they have a mace or eyro spar then they make money on that

-Chris-

What needs to happen (if you believe in an idea like this) is for no one to DRIVE their vehicle on Friday 11th. That will stop the use of fuel and take money from gov't coffers.

If it's just a simple "don't fill up" on Friday, then as others have said you'll just have to fill up on Thurs or Sat.

corktina

what a dumb idea! Jeopardising peoples jobs and useful local businesses.:mad:

Cabaal

-Chris- wrote: »

What needs to happen (if you believe in an idea like this) is for no one to DRIVE their vehicle on Friday 11th. That will stop the use of fuel and take money from gov't coffers.

If it's just a simple "don't fill up" on Friday, then as others have said you'll just have to fill up on Thurs or Sat.

Youll find people wont do it as it involves putting themselves out....not something must people are willing to do

billyboy01

Cut down on non necessary trips and get the cheapest car to can buy.

A 1 litre super mini is the way to go, if you dont want to motor on two wheels!

DarkJager

corktina wrote: »

what a dumb idea! Jeopardising peoples jobs and useful local businesses.:mad:

Its not dumb top be honest. In Limerick, there is a petrol station that has jumped in price from 1.47 last week to over 1.54 this week. There is no justification for that, only greed at play on the part of the station owner.

Tigger

billyboy01 wrote: »

Cut down on non necessary trips and get the cheapest car to can buy.

A 1 litre super mini is the way to go, if you dont want to motor on two wheels!

i get better milege in my 2.2 diesel than any of my bikes!

muckwarrior

DarkJager wrote: »

Its not dumb top be honest. In Limerick, there is a petrol station that has jumped in price from 1.47 last week to over 1.54 this week. There is no justification for that, only greed at play on the part of the station owner.

Well then go to whatever petrol station is cheapest in the area. What good will going to the expensive station on a different day do?

-Corkie-

DarkJager wrote: »

Its not dumb top be honest. In Limerick, there is a petrol station that has jumped in price from 1.47 last week to over 1.54 this week. There is no justification for that, only greed at play on the part of the station owner.

Thats not greed. The reason for that is that particular station is probably a busy station getting up to 4 fills a week. Obviously they will be affected by price strange immediatley whereas the station doing feck all in the sticks getting a fill every 10 days will not be affected by the overnight rise.

-Chris-

muckwarrior wrote: »

Well then go to whatever petrol station is cheapest in the area. What good will going to the expensive station on a different day do?

Big time. The real way to change things is to vote with your wallet.

Not buying anything will punish the govt.
Not buying the expensive fuel will punish the greedy petrol station owner (presuming it's greed and not just bad timing as Corkie has detailed).
Not buying fuel for one day and then resuming your previous patterns punishes no one, except for possibly inconveniencing yourself.

bazzachazza

DarkJager wrote: »

Its not dumb top be honest. In Limerick, there is a petrol station that has jumped in price from 1.47 last week to over 1.54 this week. There is no justification for that, only greed at play on the part of the station owner.

It is unless you get people as Chris said to NOT DRIVE on Friday therefore reducing the need to fill up. If people still need fuel they will fill up anyway but not on Friday.

There is a justification if he has had to fill his tanks and has had to pay a higher price for the fuel.

colm_mcm

what is it with Cork DJs?

-Corkie-

colm_mcm wrote: »

what is it with Cork DJs?

LOL.:D

I think the media in general Colm is gone to the dogs. I see another thread tonight from a journalist claiming petrol will reach 3 euro..:rolleyes:

Victor Barry is a bigger numpty than I thought if he is suggesting this, I reckon he's just trying to get the numpty listeners on side as longterm he'll struggle in his new daytime slot, no one with an abundance of functioning brain cells could listen to his show on an ongoing basis.

feelingstressed

feelingstressed wrote: »

They make more margin on a bottle of lucozade then a litre of petrol

Most people would buy 30 to 50 litres of fuel though and f all lucozade though so I don't see the relevance of your point. I worked in a busy service station years ago, the margin on a litre of petrol is very small but as I said people buy many litres of it. About half of people who buy fuel in a station would buy nothing else too.

C4Kid

longterm he'll struggle in his new daytime slot,

True, they said the listeners asked for it to be during the day, why I don't know, just look at the amount of morning talk shows there are. Only in the last few months have I started picking up bits from them on the way into college for lectures at 10 and 11 which was never the case in school.

kippy

DarkJager wrote: »

Its not dumb top be honest. In Limerick, there is a petrol station that has jumped in price from 1.47 last week to over 1.54 this week. There is no justification for that, only greed at play on the part of the station owner.

If the raw material price rises by 2 cent (which in fairness I believe it did) there would be approximately another 4 cent on top of that in government generic taxes and taxes on taxes etc
Theres a lot more than your station owner taking their cut before it enters your engine, including speculators and the state.
If you want to do something about prices dont completely blame the station owner, they are only the last in a long line of people involved in the process.
Again you need to effect change from the guys who have some of the power to do this - the politicians.

Gophur

DarkJager wrote: »

Its not dumb top be honest. In Limerick, there is a petrol station that has jumped in price from 1.47 last week to over 1.54 this week. There is no justification for that, only greed at play on the part of the station owner.

Ok, so, what margin do you think is acceptable for a fuel retailler to apply to petol and diesel?

challengemaster

Wats_in_a_name wrote: »

Petrol stations make barely any profit on petrol. Stupid Idea.

This always gets posted here, but it makes no sense in terms of a company. Why the hell would they do something that doesn't generate profit for them? They're a business - they're not selling petrol for the good of their health

And you'd have to be daft not to notice how they'll add their own 3-4c on the petrol before it increases, and then add on the actual increase. EVERY time.

Bullseye1

Do people honestly believe that the public is being gouged by petrol stations? Don't you remember that everytime oil rises petrol goes up rather rabidly yet when oil prices fall petrol prices do not fall as quickly as it rises. Also the euro has gone up 10 cents on the dollar in the past month or so yet it's having no influence on lowering prices yet when the dollar gains on the euro it miraculously had a negative impact on petrol prices.

Victor

Here's an idea. Don't use your car on Friday, don't use that amount of oil and reduce the demand. Reduced demand will reduce the price.

Bullseye1

Victor wrote: »

Here's an idea. Don't use your car on Friday, don't use that amount of oil and reduce the demand. Reduced demand will reduce the price.

I am already putting that into practice. I travel to the office three days a week and work from home the other two to reduce my fuel costs. Also switching to a diesel. Public transport is simply not an option in my line of work.

130Kph

Below was a chain mail going around in January. This originated from the UK so for this idea to work in Ireland the two companies would be Topaz / Texaco (rough guess - does anyone know the correct two).
Could this work

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The price of oil is as low as it has been for a while, the oil companies have simply jacked their prices up and the government will not do anything as they rake in extra VAT for every increase.

We are hitting 130.0 a litre in some areas now, soon we will be faced with paying 150.0 a litre. Someone has offered this good idea:

This makes MUCH MORE SENSE than the 'don't buy petrol on a certain day' campaign that was going around last April or May! The oil companies just laughed at that because they knew we wouldn't continue to hurt ourselves by refusing to buy petrol. It was more of an inconvenience to us than it was a problem for them.

Now that the oil companies and the OPEC nations have conditioned us to think that the cost of a litre is CHEAP, we need to take aggressive action to teach them that BUYERS control the market place not sellers. With the price of petrol going up more each day, we consumers need to take action. The only way we are going to see the price of petrol come down is if we hit someone in the pocket by not purchasing their Petrol! And we can do that WITHOUT hurting ourselves. Here's the idea:

For the rest of this year DON'T purchase ANY petrol from the two biggest oil companies (which now are) ESSO and BP.

If they are not selling any petrol, they will be inclined to reduce their prices. If they reduce their prices, the other companies will have to follow suit. But to have an impact we need to reach literally millions of Esso and BP petrol buyers. It's really simple to do!!

Now, don’t wimp out at this point... keep reading and I'll explain how simple it is to reach millions of people!!

I am sending this note to a lot of people. If each of you send it to at least ten more (30 x 10 = 300)... and those 300 send it to at least ten more (300 x 10 = 3,000) ... and so on, by the time the message reaches the sixth generation of people, we will have reached over THREE MILLION consumers! If those three million get excited and pass this on to ten friends each, then 30 million people will have been contacted! If it goes one level further, you guessed it... ..

THREE HUNDRED MILLION PEOPLE!!!

Again, all you have to do is send this to 10 people. That's all.(and not buy at ESSO/BP) How long would all that take? If each of us sends this email out to ten more people within one day of receipt, all 300 MILLION people could conceivably be contacted within the next 8days!!! Acting together we can make a difference. If this makes sense to you, please pass this message on.

PLEASE HOLD OUT UNTIL THEY LOWER THEIR PRICES TO THE 90p a LITRE RANGE

squod

Wats_in_a_name wrote: »

Petrol stations make barely any profit on petrol. Stupid Idea.

I've heard this argument hundreds of times and never seen a word of it backed up. There's massive variations in price at the pumps.

I'm currently buying diesel at 135c/l from a garage the same size, with the same number of staff, in a similar location as another that sells the same product 12c/l dearer.

Bandara

feelingstressed wrote: »

They make more margin on a bottle of lucozade then a litre of petrol

There was a station in Nenagh that used to price themselves way lower then everywhere else and you'd often get queues there.
But had a huge forecourt shop and that's how they made their money

I like that business model!

they make more margin on a bottle of lucozade than 30 litres of petrol

Bandara

squod wrote: »

I've heard this argument hundreds of times and never seen a word of it backed up. There's massive variations in price at the pumps.

I'm currently buying diesel at 135c/l from a garage the same size, with the same number of staff, in a similar location as another that sells the same product 12c/l dearer.

I've explained it loads of times here, haven't time to do it again now but trust me as telling you the truth (I've no reason to lie, I'm not here to promote my garage or attract any custom), but a garage can be 10 cents DEARER than the garage down the road and not actually be making as much profit per litre as his cheaper competitor

fuel is a mad business, its nothing like any other retail product, so many variables affect the cost to a station, fuel branding, storage capacity, run thru of product, location, even the cash flow of the business can affect the cost the guy is buying fuel at.

AMHRASACH

Shell in disguise?

Tigger

topaz is shell and stadtoil

bladebrew

that numpty victor barry is looking at this the wrong way around, i was listening to a bit of his show today (waiting for the news), his words were "punish the greedy garages"
as pointed out by hammertime garages make feck all on fuel, its the goverments fault, they take a hell of a lot more than any garage owner,

its the hauliers that i feel sorry for, increases like this when you have hundreds of litres to put in could cripple them,

Del2005

Gophur wrote: »

Ok, so, what margin do you think is acceptable for a fuel retailler to apply to petol and diesel?

They can apply as much as they like, they are a private company.

It's up to the consumer to shop around for the best price and if the petrol station charging more doesn't get customers then they'll either lower their margin, if they can, or go out of buisness.

superflyninja

sorry isnt it the government whacking duty/carbon taxes etc on the fuel? What they are going to do is price a lot of companies/people out the job.
Less cars on the road,less road tax collected,less insurance paid,less mechanics needed ot service cars,less new cars sold,less valet services etc etc etc etc

pajo1981

That's the dumbest **** I've ever heard. It could only have been thought up by a DJ.

Cookie_Monster

bladebrew wrote: »

its the hauliers that i feel sorry for, increases like this when you have hundreds of litres to put in could cripple them,

hauliers have had a fuel surcharge they bill to customers for years anyway. they'll simply keep inching this up anyway to make the customers take the hit.

kippy

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

hauliers have had a fuel surcharge they bill to customers for years anyway. they'll simply keep inching this up anyway to make the customers take the hit.

We're all customers however, each and everyone of us is effected in direct and indirect way when the cost of fuel increases and usually/ultimately it is the consumer who pays.
That being said the hauliers can only inch their prices up so much, especially in a market where people want to pay less.

Gophur

Del2005 wrote: »

They can apply as much as they like, they are a private company.

........ .

I'm sorry but that doesn't answer the question I asked.

What percentage margin would you think is acceptable for a fuel retailer to add ?