Dress code?

chalkie 501

I know a lot of golf etiquette is pretty outdated and some aspects need to be brought into the 21st century,but im a stickler for a dress code on the golf course.....slacks,jumper,polo shirt etc
What really annoys me is seeing people out playing in jeans and t-shirts or worse still a tracksuit...
i played a comp yesterday with some chap who must have thought he was going blocklaying for the day!and was in front of an arsenal fan...he was wearing their jersey anyway:eek:
What ever happened to the dress code?
i presume its gone pretty similiar everywhere??

Almaviva

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055997218&highlight=dress+code

blackwaterfish

oh oh

GetInTheHole!

Whereas I reckon that a lot of the regular contibutors to the forum will probably agree with you.

The passing by PC brigade might have a totally different view if they pick up on this thread...

hades

For competitions i wear slacks, but if i'm going up on a normal day, i head out in my jeans (not those ones that hang down by your ass and are flaired )

I mentioned it to someone on the commitee and they have no problems with jeans persay, its the jeans that are ripped and soiled (making them "cool" looking) and sleevless t shirts and jerseys.

Mister Sifter

What's worse, a pair of casual jeans or a pair of unironed €14 cream chinos out of Dunnes that are clobbered in mud up to the shins?

ssbob

Personally I don't care what people wear but for myself I find Chino's more comfortable than jeans and in the summer shorts!!!!

On the other side of things if people don't agree with the dress code of a particular club then why play there?

Kace

Saw a guy on our course for the Sunday competition dressed in a pair of tracksuit bottoms tucked into socks :eek: Both are infringements and punishable by death per the course dress code rules.

In fairness to him, he did have the new white Taylor Made R11, which drew some attention away from his attire. Must report him to the course police next time though.

Villain

Played 2 weeks ago on a Saturday morning and the shop had allowed 3 green fee's during members time on a Saturday morning as the sheet was quite, I put my name on the sheet beside them the night before.

Arrive Saturday Morning and headed out with 3 guys, 1 didn't have golf shoes just safety boots! the other had Blue Ripped jeans and they proceeded to "Dig" the course up I replaced some of their divots and tried to explain the bare essentials but gave up after 9 and went in, I know all courses need green fee's but they also need to maintain some standards.

Sport101

Tennis gear for the tennis club, fancy gear for the nightclub and golf gear for the golf course, if you don't like the rules don't go to the club.

ShriekingSheet

It is crap to see alright. I don't blame the guys who wear tracksuit-bottoms (or whatever) in the slightest. As far as I'm concerned, there's no fault on their part at all.

It's up to clubs & staff themselves to ensure people on the course adhere to the dress code. The clubs letting people play in football kits etc are totally to blame.

Personally, the odd time I've showed up at a course with no application of dress code, I've felt like a total muppet wearing trousers and a collar t-shirt, when everyone else was in jeans and whatever. Morto!

hades

One thing that really pisses me off, is people who wear golf shoes in the club house. Fellas dragging muck around the bar during the last few months is a pain. Still tho, as mentioned above, it's the clubs own fault for letting it happen in the first place.

brick tamland

I dont wear jeans playing but I dont have any problem with them, but the whole 150+ post arguement that went on recently covered everyones opinions really.

What would really wind me up though is the shorts can only be worn with knee high socks rule that I read about on here recently. I believe its in place in a few of the older clubs accross the country. What a load of crap that rule is.

I think the Collared shirt/polo rule is a bit out of date too

blackwaterfish

Mister Sifter wrote: »

What's worse, a pair of casual jeans or a pair of unironed €14 cream chinos out of Dunnes that are clobbered in mud up to the shins?

well, neither option is particularly ideal really... maybe you should invest in a pair of golf specific trousers that you can brush the mud out of after a round. M&S do stormwear trousers for about 40e.


:pac:

FlutterinBantam

Always makes me laugh when I read about people complaining about 'dress code'

If you can't get you head around the reason for a dress code , then you shouldn't be playing golf, take up some other sport that doesn't give a fcuk.


That's about the size of it, in my opinion.

Sandwlch

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

If you can't get you head around the reason for a dress code

I sure people can get their head around the idea of snobbery. But that doesnt mean they shouldnt puncture it when they see it, or be put off playing a sport because other would like the to conform to that snobbery.

cackhanded

Sandwlch wrote: »

I sure people can get their head around the idea of snobbery. But that doesnt mean they shouldnt puncture it when they see it, or be put off playing a sport because other would like the to conform to that snobbery.

You're dead right, next time I play football I'm playing in a suit, feck them and their snobbery!

stockdam

I'm not sure why anyone objects to a dress code. It's not as if you need to go out and buy a suit to play golf. It's pretty simple and pretty easy to comply with. It's nothing to do with snobbery........just minimum standards.

The standard needs to be set somewhere and no matter where it is set people will complain.

Myksyk

It's a trackie for me at the local snooker championship. In fact, ANY expectation for me to dress in a particular way will be heroically resisted with snob-puncturing determination! Singlets at interviews, jeans and jumper at my mate's wedding, t-shirt and shorts for anniversary dinners, my running gear for work. Viva la revolution.

Sandwlch

stockdam wrote: »

It's........just minimum standards.

Dress is not an absolute science and there is no onjective measure to enable setting a 'minimum' as you statement suggests. Dress 'standard' is subjective, and people have different opinions on it. Why impose your on others ? We join clubs with the common aim of playing golf, why stipulate your view of what acceptable dress is ?

stockdam wrote: »

The standard needs to be set somewhere

Why ? What happens if you dont set it ?

Myksyk

Sandwlch wrote: »

Why ? What happens if you dont set it ?

People take the piss. Play a round in their underwear, have a goth four ball, a fancy dress foursome. Who cares as long as they're playing golf right? Are you suggesting NO standards or just your standards?

Sandwlch

Myksyk wrote: »

People take the piss. Play a round in their underwear, have a goth four ball, a fancy dress foursome. Who cares as long as they're playing golf right? Are you suggesting NO standards or just your standards?

Right.

No standards.

People dont go shopping in their underwear, take the kids to school in fancy dress, etc. Why would they when playing golf. Even if they did on a golf course, why does it bug you so ?

Myksyk

Ok, quickly cos I have to get to work (dressed as expected!). Dress is a hugely important human behaviour, whether you think it should be or not. It has come to signify, support and influence a myriad of human socio-cultural conventions, again whether you think it should have gleaned such importance over the length of our social evolution or not. You can disingenuously feign a disconnection from all of this if you wish but you are in truth probably influenced more or less to the same degree as the rest of us.

Just one small area of life that dress code is an absolutely integral part is sport and the related organisations and clubs of which 'membership', 'team' and 'consensus' etc are undeniably important elements. In addition, sports have histories and their associated dress conventions are significant parts of these histories. Golf has developed it's own dress code over time. This is not a social crime. It reflects typical human behaviour in all sports.

It is not an integral part of the sport itself but an adjunct to it, so it is of course true, if altogether facile, to suggest you can play the game in any outfit ... This is true for almost every sport.

Golf's particular code has been smart, casual wear. There is a consensus over this (although it has changed over time and may continue to change). I believe following that code is appropriate. It acknowledges the basic social importance of dress in groups engaged in a common pursuit. It honours the history of the sport. It encourages and supports social cohesion. Being in a group and being identified with that group through dress is normal and not an attack on individuality.

'scorthy

Myksyk wrote: »

Ok, quickly cos I have to get to work (dressed as expected!). Dress is a hugely important human behaviour, whether you think it should be or not. It has come to signify, support and influence a myriad of human socio-cultural conventions, again whether you think it should have gleaned such importance over the length of our social evolution or not. You can disingenuously feign a disconnection from all of this if you wish but you are in truth probably influenced more or less to the same degree as the rest of us.

Just one small area of life that dress code is an absolutely integral part is sport and the related organisations and clubs of which 'membership', 'team' and 'consensus' etc are undeniably important elements. In addition, sports have histories and their associated dress conventions are significant parts of these histories. Golf has developed it's own dress code over time. This is not a social crime. It reflects typical human behaviour is all sports.

It is not an integral part of the sport itself but an adjunct to it, so it is of course true, if altogether facile, to suggest you can play the game in any outfit ... This is true for almost every sport.

Golf's particular code has been smart, casual wear. There is a consensus over this (although it has changed over time and may continue to change). I believe following that code is appropriate. It acknowledges the basic social importance of dress in groups engaged in a common pursuit. It honours the history of the sport. It encourages and supports social cohesion. Being in a group and being identified with that group through dress is normal and not an attack on individuality.

Well said and very well articulated.

Bits_n_Bobs

Mister Sifter wrote: »

What's worse, a pair of casual jeans or a pair of unironed €14 cream chinos out of Dunnes that are clobbered in mud up to the shins?

The chino's in Dunnes are actually a pricely €25! I have two pairs, both dedicated golf trousers - one is indeed fashionable cream, the other a rather fetching navy.

Its idiotic to spend money on a pair of golfing trousers, once they are smart'ish and comply with the dress code who the hell are you trying to impress??

conno16

hard to visualise yourself driving the ball 300 yards down the first fairway if ur sporting a pair of dunnes chinos..
i'd struggle with that tbh
its important to prepare like the pros do, otherwise you have no way of replicating them

worst case scenario take the harro approach and get some kartel gear - most of that stuff is well cheap these days

all my golf slacks are either designed by IJP, puma or nike
and i honestly believe they are worth 4/5 shots a round to me

Bits_n_Bobs

I suck at golf, but a pair of trousers seriously effecting your golf game by 4/5 shots per round? I can see an argument for good shoes or wet gear saving you a few shots, but trousers?

As an aside - despite my being happy enough in my proletariat Dunnes trousers for golf, I am seriously snobby about Puma, would not wear anything with a Puma logo on it. That's probably just an admission of my own weirdness however

conno16

PMA is built on (and fostered by) a number of different contributory factors.
one of these is golf apparel, of which pants are included.
Trust me.

Bits_n_Bobs

Shamefully not only do I wear dunnes trousers for golf, but I have to out myself as requiring google to find out what PMA stands for! The shame and ignominy of it all!!!

I am guessing its not Pacific Maritime Association, or Para-methoxyamphetamine but is in fact Positive Mental Attitude.

If the state of your mental sanity is helped by a label on a pair of trousers - go for it! Much cheaper than counseling! I shall continue to drag my sorry dunnes covered ass around the golf course in abject misery and full of negative mental attitude. The horror of it all

Sport101

There's very little a trendy pair of slacks can't do. Conno, where do you stand on good brands, but purchased in tk maxx? 2-3 shots?

conno16

a slight adjustment does need to be made to the TK Maxx purchase but studies have shown that this decreases overtime.
for example, for your first round you'll be somewhat conscious of the fact that your new galvin green equipment has been purchased at TK Maxx
however this dissipates over time and before long expect to experience an increasing level of utility, in an economic sense, from your purchase.

increasing utility = less shots on the golf course = increased respect in the clubhouse

stockdam

Sandwlch wrote: »

Dress is not an absolute science and there is no onjective measure to enable setting a 'minimum' as you statement suggests. Dress 'standard' is subjective, and people have different opinions on it. Why impose your on others ? We join clubs with the common aim of playing golf, why stipulate your view of what acceptable dress is ?

Why ? What happens if you dont set it ?

Nobody is imposing anything on you. You "agree" to the rules when you join a club or when you pay your green-fees. If you don't like the rules then feel free to look elsewhere.

What happens when you don't set standards or rules. Well unfortunately what happens is that the lowest tends to set the standards. I've been at clubs where dogs are running free with fourballs.....well actually at times it is a sixball, they are in tracksuits and they haven't a clue about safety or manners.......I've been told to f*ck off on the first tee for no other reason than suggesting that we are ready to play whereas they are still waiting for the last member of their fourball to arrive. I don't go back to those clubs because they aren't enjoyable.

It's no big deal to conform to the dress code and anyone that objects needs to ask why other than to object to any rule. Do you have a problem following the rules of golf.........what right has any stuffy old codger got to say that I have to hit three off the tee when my ball goes OOB or even to tell me that I cannot hit a ball from the OOBs?

Clubs are free to set whatever dress code regulations they want to and if you aren't happy then you are free to either object through an AGM or to leave. Nobody is forcing you to do anything.

ssbob

stockdam wrote: »

Nobody is imposing anything on you. You "agree" to the rules when you join a club or when you pay your green-fees. If you don't like the rules then feel free to look elsewhere.

What happens when you don't set standards or rules. Well unfortunately what happens is that the lowest tends to set the standards. I've been at clubs where dogs are running free with fourballs.....well actually at times it is a sixball, they are in tracksuits and they haven't a clue about safety or manners.......I've been told to f*ck off on the first tee for no other reason than suggesting that we are ready to play whereas they are still waiting for the last member of their fourball to arrive. I don't go back to those clubs because they aren't enjoyable.

It's no big deal to conform to the dress code and anyone that objects needs to ask why other than to object to any rule. Do you have a problem following the rules of golf.........what right has any stuffy old codger got to say that I have to hit three off the tee when my ball goes OOB or even to tell me that I cannot hit a ball from the OOBs?

Clubs are free to set whatever dress code regulations they want to and if you aren't happy then you are free to either object through an AGM or to leave. Nobody is forcing you to do anything.

+1

conno16

excellent post stockdam.

WHIP IT!

I'm not a dress code nazi - far from it... but on the course, I hate to see jeans, tshirts, football jersies etc.

When I play GAA on a Sunday morning I wear the required shorts/socks in the required colours as detailed by my club. Nobody calls me a "snob" for doing so. No player on my team ignores the 'dress code' required to play on our team - it's just taken as a given that we wear the same kit.

So why is it so terrible for golf clubs to expect people to dress a certain way?

rafared

conno16 wrote: »

hard to visualise yourself driving the ball 300 yards down the first fairway if ur sporting a pair of dunnes chinos..
i'd struggle with that tbh
its important to prepare like the pros do, otherwise you have no way of replicating them

worst case scenario take the harro approach and get some kartel gear - most of that stuff is well cheap these days

all my golf slacks are either designed by IJP, puma or nike
and i honestly believe they are worth 4/5 shots a round to me

Conno thats the funniest post Ive read on here in ages, seriously Im in cracking up laughing, well done.:D

blackwaterfish

what about... finely hand crafted tailored trousers..maybe in a silk/linen mix... half lined to the knees for warmth... with stylish double pleats and with 2 holes for the butt cheeks to pop thru?

hmmm nice

stockdam

conno16 wrote: »

excellent post stockdam.

Thanks from a grumpy old codger (me).

Sandwlch

Myksyk wrote: »

Ok, quickly cos I have to get to work (dressed as expected!). Dress is a hugely important human behaviour, whether you think it should be or not. It has come to signify, support and influence a myriad of human socio-cultural conventions, again whether you think it should have gleaned such importance over the length of our social evolution or not. You can disingenuously feign a disconnection from all of this if you wish but you are in truth probably influenced more or less to the same degree as the rest of us.

Just one small area of life that dress code is an absolutely integral part is sport and the related organisations and clubs of which 'membership', 'team' and 'consensus' etc are undeniably important elements. In addition, sports have histories and their associated dress conventions are significant parts of these histories. Golf has developed it's own dress code over time. This is not a social crime. It reflects typical human behaviour in all sports.

It is not an integral part of the sport itself but an adjunct to it, so it is of course true, if altogether facile, to suggest you can play the game in any outfit ... This is true for almost every sport.

Golf's particular code has been smart, casual wear. There is a consensus over this (although it has changed over time and may continue to change). I believe following that code is appropriate. It acknowledges the basic social importance of dress in groups engaged in a common pursuit. It honours the history of the sport. It encourages and supports social cohesion. Being in a group and being identified with that group through dress is normal and not an attack on individuality.

Agree with it all.
But the other side of the coin from; social cohesion, being in a group, and being identified with a group etc, is that 'others' are not part of that group. i.e. you are not wearing the uniform displaying your association with us and so we prefer to exclude you. It is normal human group behaviour, but one that civilisation is today overcoming. Modern sophisticated society no longer condones apartheid, caste systems, social classes, and artificial distinctions of who may or may not partake in a particular activity.
But sporting organisations do have strong anchors to their past and to traditions and so tend to be late followers, hanging on to even the undesireable, and what elsewhere in society would not be considered cceptable anymore. Conforming to a clothing standard is one. But that does not mean it is to be approved of.

Sandwlch

stockdam wrote: »

Nobody is imposing anything on you. You "agree" to the rules when you join a club or when you pay your green-fees. If you don't like the rules then feel free to look elsewhere.

What happens when you don't set standards or rules. Well unfortunately what happens is that the lowest tends to set the standards. I've been at clubs where dogs are running free with fourballs.....well actually at times it is a sixball, they are in tracksuits and they haven't a clue about safety or manners.......I've been told to f*ck off on the first tee for no other reason than suggesting that we are ready to play whereas they are still waiting for the last member of their fourball to arrive. I don't go back to those clubs because they aren't enjoyable.

It's no big deal to conform to the dress code and anyone that objects needs to ask why other than to object to any rule. Do you have a problem following the rules of golf.........what right has any stuffy old codger got to say that I have to hit three off the tee when my ball goes OOB or even to tell me that I cannot hit a ball from the OOBs?

Clubs are free to set whatever dress code regulations they want to and if you aren't happy then you are free to either object through an AGM or to leave. Nobody is forcing you to do anything.

-1.

I have not said I am disputing that having joined a club with particular rules I should breach them, so countering a point I didnt make is a bit unfair. Being against a rule is not the same as saying break it. Of course clubs can set any rules they like, players only permitted in tutus if they wish, and I have no problem with that. I just wouldnt want to join because I would care to play my golf in a tutu.

And how do you decide who the 'lowest' are. It is very prejudicial to link people wearing track suits on a golf course to them bringing dogs, playing in 6 balls, or using foul language. I am stunned at the snobbery and there is no other word for it.

3qsmavrod5twfe

Sandwlch wrote: »

-1.
And how do you decide who the 'lowest' are. It is very prejudicial to link people wearing track suits on a golf course to them bringing dogs, playing in 6 balls, or using foul language. I am stunned at the snobbery and there is no other word for it.

http://www.randa.org/en/Rules-and-Amateur-Status/Etiquette.aspx

See Etiquette.

Most people who play golf abide by a certain etiquette. If you think it is okay to hold up play by sending out 6-balls, causing distractions by letting your dog run amok on the course of swearing at other players is acceptable behaviour, I suggest you consider a different sport.

Static M.e.

And how do you decide who the 'lowest' are. It is very prejudicial to link people wearing track suits on a golf course to them bringing dogs, playing in 6 balls, or using foul language. I am stunned at the snobbery and there is no other word for it.

Wow, I'm with Sandwlch here.

Its a game people, thats it. You're not getting Married, You're not going to work, Your not even picking up your kids from the grandparents. You ARE hitting a couple of Golf balls around a Field. Why should what you wear matter at all to anyone but you and your friends?

If they have paid their Green Fee's and they aren't causing trouble to others then let them wear whatever they want...

Static M.e.

Henrik Prehistoric Underclassman wrote: »

http://www.randa.org/en/Rules-and-Amateur-Status/Etiquette.aspx

See Etiquette.

In short: it’s about showing consideration to all others on the course at all times.

Exactly. - Thats what Golf should be. I don't see anything in relation to "I don't like that guys trousers. Get off my course..."

3qsmavrod5twfe

I have no real problem with what people wear for casual rounds, but there are certain conventions and traditions to consider.

Etiquette and consideration ar far more important. I would certainly be p*ssed off if there were dogs running round unchecked, a 6-ball going round the course ahead of me on a busy Saturday or Sunday afternoon or people swearing at me (swearing at the ball is a different story ) regardless of if they were members or green fees.

Just because you have paid doesn't mean you can do whatever you like.

NoelAPM

Be it gymnastics, rugby, or ice hockey! Every sport has clothing the players wear to benefit them! I don't understand why people would not wear golf clothing and golf shoes! I think were a lucky bunch that our sports clothing now days Is well stylish! And makes people look very smart.. In most cases! I however don't agree with higher end clubs.. Feeling under dressed after the round if I don't have a suit to wear.

markie4

Which is more offensive - a pair of jeans or slow play?

ssbob

markie4 wrote: »

Which is more offensive - a pair of jeans or slow play?

Slow play.........drives me mad and I am not a quick player myself!!! Ladies and Gents chatting when they should be taking their shots!!!

Kace

In extreme cases the dress code protects the facility preserves it for others. Part of the dresscode is the proper footwear. OK so you're not going to kick someone off the course for wearing runners because you know that they aren't doing any harm to anything, but what about football boots ?

Yes - I have seen this in a Society once on the frist tee-box. If you don't spell it out clearly for people and visibly enforce it, then there are no limits to what people will show up wearing.

Also I was very nearly killed by a runaway pair of Dunnes chinos once, so I'm speaking from experience here.

Osgoodisgood

Henrik Prehistoric Underclassman wrote: »

http://www.randa.org/en/Rules-and-Amateur-Status/Etiquette.aspx

See Etiquette.

Most people who play golf abide by a certain etiquette. If you think it is okay to hold up play by sending out 6-balls, causing distractions by letting your dog run amok on the course of swearing at other players is acceptable behaviour, I suggest you consider a different sport.

The point was made that it is incorrect to link 6-balls, dogs etc with people wearing jeans. It is an amazing cheek to assume that the trouble is caused by those that don't strictly adhere to some long outdated dress code.

Osgoodisgood

Kace wrote: »

In extreme cases the dress code protects the facility preserves it for others. Part of the dresscode is the proper footwear. OK so you're not going to kick someone off the course for wearing runners because you know that they aren't doing any harm to anything, but what about football boots ?

Yes - I have seen this in a Society once on the frist tee-box. If you don't spell it out clearly for people and visibly enforce it, then there are no limits to what people will show up wearing.

Also I was very nearly killed by a runaway pair of Dunnes chinos once, so I'm speaking from experience here.

Football boots will cause damage, runners will not.
The former is not allowed because of the damage, the latter because of nothing at all.

Bits_n_Bobs

Kace wrote: »

Also I was very nearly killed by a runaway pair of Dunnes chinos once, so I'm speaking from experience here.

Were they ironed? Them dunnes ****ers can get fairly temperamental if you bring 'em onto the course without being ironed.

I think that's the main difference between them and the Nike trousers - the Nike trousers, being a better class of trouser, don't get all temperamental and try to kill people when you don't iron them....