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Ash Wednesday

  • 08-03-2011 6:38pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,688 ✭✭✭Nailz


    Hello there, regular reader of A&A, but a rare poster. I was just wondering as an Atheist/Agnostic (or whatever non-theist phrase you'd like to label yourself), are you going to take advantage of it being Ash Wednesday and eat large amounts of meat, if you're not a Vegetarian, and consuming plenty of alcohol just to spite a fasting day in the Christian calender?

    I find myself doing that yearly, it's almost a subconscious obsession with me, I only ever noticed myself doing it totally fanatically last year, and I know I'll end up doing it tomorrow and Good Friday, but it sort of worries me that I have a subconscious that is to piss religious people off.

    Does any of my fellow non-theists do that here - intentionally or unintentionally? And just for the sake of gossipy tripe, has it ever drawn out reactions from a Christian?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,007 ✭✭✭stevoslice


    Nailz wrote: »
    Hello there, regular reader of A&A, but a rare poster. I was just wondering as an Atheist/Agnostic (or whatever non-theist phrase you'd like to label yourself), are you going to take advantage of it being Ash Wednesday and eat large amounts of meat, if you're not a Vegetarian, and consuming plenty of alcohol just to spite a fasting day in the Christian calender?

    I find myself doing that yearly, it's almost a subconscious obsession with me, I only ever noticed myself doing it totally fanatically last year, and I know I'll end up doing it tomorrow and Good Friday, but it sort of worries me that I have a subconscious that is to piss religious people off.

    Does any of my fellow non-theists do that here - intentionally or unintentionally? And just for the sake of gossipy tripe, has it ever drawn out reactions from a Christian?

    Not out of spite, but i do have a sly grin when guiltlessly eating meat on a fast day.

    Who else had pancakes today? i had about 6 or 7, for the tradition as opposed to any religious ideals of using up the eggs.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,688 ✭✭✭Nailz


    I'm eating pancakes because I want to. Only eaten five so far, will be more come the end of the night, believe me! ;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,872 ✭✭✭strobe


    No, but I am looking forward to the fact that all the Catholic politicians will be entering the Dail tomorrow with little targets drawn on the centre of their foreheads. Very considerate of them...... I'm an inconsistent shot at best.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 829 ✭✭✭Long Term Louth


    Rumour has it, you've missed the target a few times :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,138 ✭✭✭Gregor Samsa


    It's just another Wednesday to me, so I don't go out of my way to do anything different.

    Last year I had a ham sandwich in work for lunch, and someone passed comment on it. I asked them if they fasted for Ramadan. It's a bit weird that people who know I'm an atheist seem to think I'm secretly a Catholic.

    I'm currently in the process of eating my own body weight in pancakes, though.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,762 ✭✭✭smokingman


    Just about to lay waste to pancakes topped with sliced mars bars and baked for a few mins....mmmmm nom nom nom
    Kinda like the OP myself in that I do go out of my way to eat meat on those days. Not to piss off christians, more because I just love meat!
    Mmmmm fobidden meat........mmmmmmmmmdroooool


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,718 ✭✭✭The Mad Hatter


    I'm not looking forward to the inevitable curiosity from my students as to why I don't have a black smudge on my forehead.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 446 ✭✭sonicthebadger*


    I like to have a house party on Good Friday night, not deliberately to piss off any believers but just cause it's Friday, everyone is off and the pubs are closed so no one has other plans. It's always good, a few Catholic mates usually come too and just don't drink until after midnight.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,688 ✭✭✭Nailz


    Had a 36 hour party from Thursday night all the way through Good Friday last year, it was great, certain off licences deliver on Good Friday if you know them, which is great. There was a lot of loud music, cool people and I think there was other drugs aswell, it was the ultimate finger to Catholic myth - had a great time too. Won't anything like that this year I'm afraid, but I definitely will be having a drink and having some form of meat.

    Speaking of which, do you reckon there'll be more pubs open this year?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,746 ✭✭✭✭Galvasean


    Ash Wednesday means nothing to me. There was atime when my granny would call around and smudge some crap on my forehead (it would be washed away seconds after she left). She is no longer with us so it no longer features in my life. In fact I would not have known tomorrow was Ash Wednesday were it not for this thread.
    When is Good Friday? I plan to drink on that day. Call it an FU to the Government who would try and impose such a silly law upon us all!


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,550 ✭✭✭Min


    Nailz wrote: »
    Had a 36 hour party from Thursday night all the way through Good Friday last year, it was great, certain off licences deliver on Good Friday if you know them, which is great. There was a lot of loud music, cool people and I think there was other drugs aswell, it was the ultimate finger to Catholic myth - had a great time too. Won't anything like that this year I'm afraid, but I definitely will be having a drink and having some form of meat.

    Speaking of which, do you reckon there'll be more pubs open this year?

    The catholics who were fasting and doing abstinence from alcohol were better off than those at the party and taking drugs.

    As a Catholic, all I can say it is silly if you think loud music - damaging your hearing possibly, drinking too much alcohol - possibly damaging your liver and using illegal drugs is the ultimate finger to Catholics, then :pac:

    We didn't have the hangover the following day :D

    You're an atheist but you don't feel comfortable with your beliefs and feel you need to do something which you deem anti-catholic, you are showing that Good Friday is more than anyother Friday to you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,746 ✭✭✭✭Galvasean


    Min wrote: »
    The catholics who were fasting and doing abstinence from alcohol were better off than those at the party and taking drugs.

    I shall agree to disagree with you when I am eating a delicious steak followed by some tasty beer.


  • Posts: 0 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Victor Deep Newsprint


    Nah it's just another day really
    And I do have to remember to stop offering sweets to the poor fella who sits beside me at work :o Didn't do it on purpose keep forgetting!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,550 ✭✭✭Min


    Galvasean wrote: »
    I shall agree to disagree with you when I am eating a delicious steak followed by some tasty beer.

    Beer, yuk.

    Steak is nice but so is some fish.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,872 ✭✭✭strobe


    Min wrote: »
    Beer, yuk.

    Steak is nice but so is some fish.

    Fish are sacred to my people. Please leave them alone.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,550 ✭✭✭Min


    strobe wrote: »
    Fish are sacred to my people. Please leave them alone.

    All food is sacred, especially if you have none.


  • Hosted Moderators Posts: 11,362 ✭✭✭✭Scarinae


    When I was in transition year I was doing work experience near Temple Bar the week of Pancake Tuesday/Ash Wednesday, and on the Wednesday I had met some friends (who were also work experiencing in town) for lunch in Stephen's Green. I was a little late heading back to work, and was rushing down Dame St when I noticed a lady at a bus stop who had some dirt on her forehead. I would have stopped to tell her except that I was in such a rush... As I continued down the street, I noticed loads of people with dirt on their foreheads. I was completely baffled!

    On the phone to one of my friends that evening, I mentioned it to her. She was like "Wtf, I noticed that too! Really weird!"

    As you can probably tell, we did not go to a Catholic school... Even when I found out why, it still didn't make much sense to me. I'm really glad that I didn't stop to tell that lady that she had dirt on her face :o Sure, I knew that the day was called Ash Wednesday because it is always marked in calendars and diaries, but nobody had ever told me WHY.

    As a result, I never knew about this whole 'you can't eat meat' thing either. I didn't get a chance to make pancakes tonight though, so I'm going to do it tomorrow instead :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    I HATE Ash Wednesday. F*ck off and let me eat meat in peace. Seriously the nerve some people have to frown at you because you're eating meat is despicable. Not one of them obeys the don't eat meat rule on any friday but when it comes to ash wednesday they're all all holier than thou frowning on other catholics who are just having a ham sandwich. :mad:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,062 ✭✭✭number10a


    I have work experience in a primary school tomorrow, and my mam was asking me what I'm bringing for lunch. She never asked this before so I knew where she was going with it and I told her I was bringing chilli con carne. She nearly had a fit! Like it's not as if I'm going to go around flicking little bits of chillied mince into people's tuna sandwiches. Told me it's a Catholic school and there are just times when I need to conform. :pac::pac::pac:

    My chilli con lots and lots of carne is in the fridge ready for tomorrow. Yum!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,746 ✭✭✭✭Galvasean


    They can frown all they want, but not everyone adheres to their silly customs. Guess they'll just have yo grow up and deal with it.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68 ✭✭5huggy


    Ive always eaten meat on Good Friday. Why? = because I want to...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,824 ✭✭✭ShooterSF


    smokingman wrote: »
    Just about to lay waste to pancakes topped with sliced mars bars and baked for a few mins....mmmmm nom nom nom

    g600616996.gif


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,925 ✭✭✭aidan24326


    Just another Wedneday to me so really don't take any notice of it at all.



    (and smokingman what's with putting baked mars bars on your pancakes :eek:
    Yahweh used to smite people for a lot less!!)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,688 ✭✭✭Nailz


    Min wrote: »
    The catholics who were fasting and doing abstinence from alcohol were better off than those at the party and taking drugs.

    As a Catholic, all I can say it is silly if you think loud music - damaging your hearing possibly, drinking too much alcohol - possibly damaging your liver and using illegal drugs is the ultimate finger to Catholics, then :pac:

    We didn't have the hangover the following day :D

    You're an atheist but you don't feel comfortable with your beliefs and feel you need to do something which you deem anti-catholic, you are showing that Good Friday is more than anyother Friday to you.
    I would like to point out I didn't have much to drink nor do I take drugs, I didn't drink much because I was going to the United - Chelsea game the following day, so I didn't have a hangover, although I did have an early start. I left for my real home at 10:30. As I said, it was entirely subconscious until when I realised that I was probably doing that without knowledge. That's what I think anyway. I didn't even organise the party, my house mate did, and I didn't even know it was Good Friday until I was told.

    I always thought I went about it like every other day and never paid attention to these Ash Wednesdays or Good Fridays, but it occured to me I must have doing that. I didn't want it to be like that though - I just reckon I do that.

    But as of today, it's a normal day. I'm going to college, will probably pop off to library then go home later on and watch the Soccer tonight.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,188 ✭✭✭pH


    How come we never get any "How dare you hypocritical atheists eat pancakes on pancake Tuesday?" threads?


  • Posts: 5,121 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Going for a fry now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,734 ✭✭✭Newaglish


    As the social planner in the office I was tasked with organising a team night out. I just so happened to book dinner in a steakhouse followed by drinks for tonight. And accidentally scheduled it for tonight.

    Let's see if people choose free steak and beer over eternal damnation or whatever it is that's supposed to happen if you indulge today.

    Bwahahaha!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,312 ✭✭✭Kooli


    I don't remember Ash Wednesday being a meat free day? and I've certainly never had any comments about it?

    All I remember about it is the dirty foreheads...haven't seen any yet today.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,453 ✭✭✭Shenshen


    Nailz wrote: »
    Hello there, regular reader of A&A, but a rare poster. I was just wondering as an Atheist/Agnostic (or whatever non-theist phrase you'd like to label yourself), are you going to take advantage of it being Ash Wednesday and eat large amounts of meat, if you're not a Vegetarian, and consuming plenty of alcohol just to spite a fasting day in the Christian calender?

    I find myself doing that yearly, it's almost a subconscious obsession with me, I only ever noticed myself doing it totally fanatically last year, and I know I'll end up doing it tomorrow and Good Friday, but it sort of worries me that I have a subconscious that is to piss religious people off.

    Does any of my fellow non-theists do that here - intentionally or unintentionally? And just for the sake of gossipy tripe, has it ever drawn out reactions from a Christian?

    I happen to be vegetarian, but I've got a rather big carrot cake waiting for me when I get home tonight, and for later there's some ale in the fridge :)

    Mind you, none of it is because it's Ash Wednesday, I just happen to have it at home.


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  • Posts: 0 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Victor Deep Newsprint


    Kooli wrote: »
    I don't remember Ash Wednesday being a meat free day? and I've certainly never had any comments about it?

    All I remember about it is the dirty foreheads...haven't seen any yet today.

    I was at my grandparents' this morning and got the "so you wont be eating any meat today" comment
    I kept my mouth shut like that "poker face" meme dude


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,650 ✭✭✭sensibleken


    Im vegitarian so no meat for me!

    but after pancake tuesday comes epic shít wednesday


  • Posts: 2,874 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Shenshen wrote: »
    I happen to be vegetarian, but I've got a rather big carrot cake waiting for me when I get home tonight

    Put some ham on your carrot cake (which i assume is cockney for steak).


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,436 ✭✭✭c_man


    It's just another day, I have left over spaghetti bolognese in the fridge so that's for dinner.


    Kinda fancy some pancakes with all the talk about them! I had none yesterday :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 399 ✭✭ElectraX


    bluewolf wrote: »
    I was at my grandparents' this morning and got the "so you wont be eating any meat today" comment
    I kept my mouth shut like that "poker face" meme dude

    I can understand the older generation coming out with comments like that, but I think its inexcusable from anyone under the age of 70! Personally, I consider myself Christian, based on my beliefs, but I would never judge anyone else on their beliefs or practices, and certainly wouldn't be commenting on anyone eating meat today, since I'll probably be doing the same myself:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,007 ✭✭✭stevoslice


    currently chowing down on a chicken roll, with rotisserie chicken, mayo, cheese, and sweet chilli.... sacrilicious.


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  • Posts: 0 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Victor Deep Newsprint


    ElectraX wrote: »
    I can understand the older generation coming out with comments like that, but I think its inexcusable from anyone under the age of 70! Personally, I consider myself Christian, based on my beliefs, but I would never judge anyone else on their beliefs or practices, and certainly wouldn't be commenting on anyone eating meat today, since I'll probably be doing the same myself:D

    They are over 70 :pac:
    My grandfather wouldnt say anything I'd say but my grandmother goes on about it


    Funnily I'm not really supposed to eat meat any day if I followed the buddhist precepts properly but well :pac:
    I cant live without it!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,737 ✭✭✭✭kylith


    Dammit, I forgot today was a meatless day so I packed tomato soup for lunch. Now I'm seriously tempted to see how many differnt kinds of meat I can fit into a sandwich, just to see how many people remind me that it's a fast day.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,150 ✭✭✭✭Malari


    Same as any other day really. I had fish this week already, so probably will cook meat for dinner.

    When I was in national school we had to get ash on the foreheads and were often given out to if seen wiping it off by the teachers. I remember munching into a ham sandwich one year and my horrified friend pointing it out to me. I virtually spat it out :pac: When you are just a kid you just don't know why this rule is imposed and don't ask. I suppose I sort of assumed that it was like anything else I wasn't supposed to swallow at certain times - more than 2 paracetamol in 4 hours if you have a temperature, any kind of food other than toast with a stomach bug, sweets in lent. I remember thinking something would happen to me if I ate ham!! And how mom could have let this happen :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,862 ✭✭✭mikhail


    Galvasean wrote: »
    When is Good Friday? I plan to drink on that day. Call it an FU to the Government who would try and impose such a silly law upon us all!
    It's in four weeks, two days. 40 days of Lent, and it's in the last week of it. Or am I all confused? Anyone?

    I shall have to see if I can get hold of a bacon double-cheeseburger for lunch. Mmmm... offending multiple religions.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,428 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    Have a thought for some Russian religious -- the rank and file are supposed to abstain from the benefits of a good shag for all of Lent. Carne-va(l) in more ways than one.

    What an awful religion


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,762 ✭✭✭smokingman


    aidan24326 wrote: »
    (and smokingman what's with putting baked mars bars on your pancakes :eek:
    Yahweh used to smite people for a lot less!!)

    Twas a suggestion from smokingwoman and it was just crazy enough for me to roll with it - and well, she was preparing it for me so...

    Had a nice burger king double whopper at lunch - felt sorry for the guys in there as they didn't seem that busy today. Religion taking away business from our takeaways eh :rolleyes: Will have to ring Joe about that and complain!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,746 ✭✭✭✭Galvasean


    Chicken roll..... NYOM!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 178 ✭✭threeleggedhors


    FATHER DOUGAL: So, if God has existed forever, you know, what did He do in his spare time like before he made the earth and everything, you know?
    BISHOP O’NEILL: Well... we all have doubts.
    FATHER DOUGAL: And what about when you weren't allowed eat meat on Fridays? How come that's all right now but it wasn't back then? I mean, did the people who ate meat on Fridays back then, did they all go to hell or what? I mean it's mad!

    :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 399 ✭✭ElectraX


    bluewolf wrote: »
    They are over 70 :pac:
    My grandfather wouldnt say anything I'd say but my grandmother goes on about it


    Funnily I'm not really supposed to eat meat any day if I followed the buddhist precepts properly but well :pac:
    I cant live without it!

    Oh I assumed your grandparents were over seventy:D so I meant that a comment from them is excusable, but I think our parents generation forward are less judgemental, or at least should be.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,732 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Just finished a sausage, White pudding and egg roll. However, when I go home and have to make my own dinner due to the folks being at Mass, I won't have any meat in it, purely because my grandfather lives with us and doesn't know I'm an atheist (I haven't declared myself as an atheist, just stopped going to Mass and doing religious things)

    So it's just easier for me to not have meat this evening. I'm not going to purposefully eat meat to somehow protest Ash Wednesday and religion in general, and I've already had the type of lunch I'd have anyway.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,734 ✭✭✭Newaglish


    Ham and salami sandwich for lunch. Two co-workers had tuna rolls. Because fish don't have souls or whatever.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,306 ✭✭✭Zamboni


    I am only vaguely aware of these minor holy days.
    I only remembered when it was mentioned on the radio this morning.
    Either way the prospect of going without meat for more than 8 hours is abhorrent.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 270 ✭✭Irish_wolf


    Had the best chicken roll today. Normally I'd get into the shop when all the good goujons are gone and I'd be left with the bottom of the barrel, the greasy soggy ones, but today there was a mountain of them fresh and crispy and golden brown, delicious. :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68 ✭✭5huggy


    Are good friday and ash wednesday both supposed to be non-meat days or is the friday supposed to be a teatotal day? because ive never really taken much notice of this tradition..


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,316 ✭✭✭✭amacachi


    Them Jews are mad not eating pork eh?


    Had a few cocktail sausages earlier, will be having some beef later so I'm tempted to have some chicken pate stuff from the fridge, just to get three different animals in today. :pac:


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