Few advices - Failed 2 times

pixeldesign

Alright i failed the driving test twice.Once in Rathgar and once in Finglas.In both tests i made the same stupid mistakes.Exactly the same.At reaction to hazards i had every single box ticked as well for turning right.I don`t know what i`m doing wrong.I made a new appointment in Rathgar, and i will take 2 driving lessons before the test..I didnt take any lessons before the first 2 tests.

Reg'stoy

If you've never taken lessons then your errors have only ever been spotted during your tests. What you need to do is bring both test sheets which have all your faults and show these to your ADI.

It would seem you know the mechanics of driving (very different to knowing how to drive) and it also appears that your accompanying driver (hopefully you have one) is not pointing out your faults. If all the boxes were ticked in reacting to hazzards then quite frankly you aren't driving safely as in being observant particularly in turning right across traffic.

Driving is much more than changing gears and turning the wheel which you seem is enough to apply for the test, so please get proper instruction on how to really drive.

The €150ish you spent on tests (so far) would have been better spent on getting lessons and I honestly, judged on your post don't think two lessons will be enough before sitting your next test.

Please get an accompanying driver who will point out your faults and please please get proper lessons as you are an accident waiting to happen judged on your test faults. I'm sorry if I seem harsh but sometimes the truth needs to be told.

pixeldesign

I took 10 driving lessons last year, when i learnt how to drive and thats all.About reaction to hazards, i don`t know why i got the marks..they dont even tell you.I remember there were people walking on the road and ofcourse i did slow down, but i dont remember any other hazards i had.As for turning right, again i don`t know what i did wrong..Position i think was good, i checked the mirrors...I will have 2 driving lessons to see what the instructors will say.

ADIDriving

pixeldesign wrote: »

About reaction to hazards, i don`t know why i got the marks.
This is why you need to take a drive with an instructors. So they can see how you react to hazards.
they dont even tell you.
The examiners don't give much feedback. Which is annoying. But instructors can interpret the marks
I remember there were people walking on the road and ofcourse i did slow down, but i dont remember any other hazards i had.
A hazard is anything that might cause you to change your speed or direction. That is almost everything. You will drive past hundreds of hazards on your test.
As for turning right, again i don`t know what i did wrong..Position i think was good, i checked the mirrors.
What category were the marks for turning right in?
I will have 2 driving lessons to see what the instructors will say.
Good. Hope it goes well.

Also, why three different test centre. That won't help.

pixeldesign

Thank you!Only 2 test centre.I did once in Finglas, once in Rathgar and the next one is in Rathgar.

Mint Sauce

In relation to hazards, its being aware that they could be there, or potential for one.

When doing your manovers, ie reversing around corners, turn in the road, using your eyes and turning your head, and not just depending on the mirrors.

When driving around corners, be aware that the person walking in the pavement may cross.

Going past parked cars, indicate if you think anyone of your wheels will cross the line, and beaware someone might step out.

When looking in your mirrors, actully lift/turn your head, rather than just divert your eyes.

Definalty get a pre test lesson with an ADI instructer as well.

Caliden

My advice would be to get lessons from an instructor who is familiar with all of the routes associated with Rathgar test centre.
I dont think you did yourself any favours by picking a different test centre the second time.

I was driving 18 months and took 6 lessons in the 2 months prior to passing my full test. My instructor took me on several different routes and gave me advice with regards different junctions and hazards along the way (cyclists/pedestrians/parked cars).
I would definitely say that without the advice I received I would have failed.

spurious

I've failed four times now in Raheny for all sorts of different things - never the same thing twice.

1st time - use of gears - moxy load of grade 2s, no grade 3s - Can't really argue with this one in fairness, I wasn't ready.

2nd time - terrible reverse around corner - grade 3, plus a few grade 2s

3rd time - 7 grade 2s for progress and a grade 3 for being too close to parked cars (in Middle Third in Killester for those who know it)

4th time - no grade 3s but 11 grade 2s for observation and reaction to hazards

I've had about 25 lessons and numerous pre-tests, three different ADIs have said my driving is above average for people taking the test. Even the last tester said I was a very safe good driver, but still I keep failing.

Great feeling to think I'm heading for 400 euro spent on tests.

Best Driving

First observation would be where you are going wrong is thinking you can pass a test without any formal instruction.

But this aside. The post I seen from an earlier poster stating anything that can cause you to change position or speed is the definition of a hazard is bang on the money. How you react may vary but as a general rule the reaction must be in plenty of time include use of the mirrors and a signal where appropriate or necessary.

The following is a guide on how to use observation links to deal with hazards:

OBSERVE: what so you see? example : ball bounce into the road.
ANTICIPATE: What are you expecting will happen next? Example : child following ball.
PLAN: What can you do about it? Example : check mirrors to see is slowing a safe option, move out a little further in the road, sound your horn to alert the child of your presence.
REACT: Pick an option from your planning phase or maybe two or three combined and take action.

Of course to do this you need to be observing far enough ahead by rasing your vision in the road to be on "MAIN BEAM", look to the limit of your vision in the road and think what could cause me to change position or speed and what can I do about it.

Hope this helps.

And best of luck with the test, but don't forget the test merely says you are okay to drive unaccompanied. Keep up the learning and don't think you are better than average. And remember the AVERAGE driver crashes once every 70,000 miles.

DrivingTestTips: Brian

Best Driving wrote: »

First observation would be where you are going wrong is thinking you can pass a test without any formal instruction.

But this aside. The post I seen from an earlier poster stating anything that can cause you to change position or speed is the definition of a hazard is bang on the money. How you react may vary but as a general rule the reaction must be in plenty of time include use of the mirrors and a signal where appropriate or necessary.

The following is a guide on how to use observation links to deal with hazards:

OBSERVE: what so you see? example : ball bounce into the road.
ANTICIPATE: What are you expecting will happen next? Example : child following ball.
PLAN: What can you do about it? Example : check mirrors to see is slowing a safe option, move out a little further in the road, sound your horn to alert the child of your presence.
REACT: Pick an option from your planning phase or maybe two or three combined and take action.

Of course to do this you need to be observing far enough ahead by rasing your vision in the road to be on "MAIN BEAM", look to the limit of your vision in the road and think what could cause me to change position or speed and what can I do about it.

Hope this helps.

And best of luck with the test, but don't forget the test merely says you are okay to drive unaccompanied. Keep up the learning and don't think you are better than average. And remember the AVERAGE driver crashes once every 70,000 miles.

Best Driving......... Good information there.....

BUT..... I hope you don't mind me saying:
Don't forget that "advanced driving" type teaching may be a little much for a beginner and a simpler approach may be better and easier to understand.