Confiscation of DSP Pass

JP Liz V1

If a pass is taken/confiscated by RPU what do they do with it? Is it sent back to you at any stage?

AlekSmart

The Pass remains at all times the property of the DSP.

What usually happens is the document is returned to them along with a report of the incident which resulted in it`s confiscation.

The conditions of the Free Travel Scheme do allow for the Pass to be withdrawn if it is found to be used inappropriately or fraudulently,although I have never actually heard of anybody suffering such a fate.

JP Liz V1

AlekSmart wrote: »

The Pass remains at all times the property of the DSP.

What usually happens is the document is returned to them along with a report of the incident which resulted in it`s confiscation.

The conditions of the Free Travel Scheme do allow for the Pass to be withdrawn if it is found to be used inappropriately or fraudulently,although I have never actually heard of anybody suffering such a fate.

What is the DSP?

Click to Confirm

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

If a pass is taken/confiscated by RPU what do they do with it? Is it sent back to you at any stage?

have you had a pass taken from you ?

markpb

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

What is the DSP?

Dept. of Social Protection, previously Dept. of Social and Family Affairs.

JP Liz V1

Click to Confirm wrote: »

have you had a pass taken from you ?

My sister did the idiot lent it to a friend and now she panicking over it

AlekSmart

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

My sister did the idiot lent it to a friend and now she panicking over it

JP Liz V1...What is there to be said....?

Your description of your Sister is probably where you should leave it.

I`m just amazed that some Public Transport official actually bothered to make the necessary observation to detect and act upon her selfish misuse of the Pass.

That Official (was it Rail or Bus ?) has probably marked his/her own card internally now as a trouble-maker for causing an added workload for the Company and the DSP.

Right now,all across the Irish Public Transport scene Free Travel Scheme abuse,misuse and downright fraudulent use is at an all time high,but it appears non-PC for employees to make an issue of it.

My best guess is that the current scheme is in it`s dying days and a revised,less comprehensive Smart-Card based one will soon be introduced.

Good for your Sis,another small blow for freedom of opportunity

Run_to_da_hills

A Smart card would be very handy also very intrusive.

As each person on one of these would be registered, the authorities will know all their movements.

They could easily spy on them if they have a regular travel pattern, ie check if they are abusing the system and working on the side.

markpb

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

They could easily spy on them if they have a regular travel pattern, ie check if they are abusing the system and working on the side.

If someone is being given a free travel card at the states expense, perhaps a little verification that they're not abusing it isn't a bad thing?

stop

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

They could easily spy on them if they have a regular travel pattern, ie check if they are abusing the system and working on the side.

Sounds like a good idea!

Run_to_da_hills

markpb wrote: »

If someone is being given a free travel card at the states expense, perhaps a little verification that they're not abusing it isn't a bad thing?

It can be good but it could also go too far the other way, IE if they decided to electronically restrict those from using these passes at certain hours during the day or night.

JP Liz V1

Some people on disability payment can work some hours also as well as have free travel pass

Has anyone had any experience with having a pass taken and can you get it back or re apply?

markpb

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

It can be good but it could also go too far the other way, IE if they decided to electronically restrict those from using these passes at certain hours during the day or night.

Operators are paid for the free travel passes by DSP - they don't have any say over when the passes can be used.

Run_to_da_hills

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Some people on disability payment can work some hours also as well as have free travel pass

Has anyone had any experience with having a pass taken and can you get it back or re apply?

Some have probationary passes that are valid for just a year and then the applicant has to reapply for the full DA pass.

Once the year is up they are not suppose to use it. They could get away with using them on the Dart / DB and suburban lines as they are rarely scrutinized however if they tried using them on mainline rail they would soon be chased up as their PPS number would be logged each time they get a ticket.

The Smart card would soon put an end to all this.

Victor

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

A Smart card would be very handy also very intrusive.

Not as intrusive as having to show it to the driver everytime and letting all and sundry that you fall into certain categories.

As each person on one of these would be registered, the authorities will know all their movements.

But they would also be paying for all those movements.

They could easily spy on them if they have a regular travel pattern, ie check if they are abusing the system and working on the side.

That is probably reasonable, although the appropriate rules would need to be put in place. Imagine someone was using a companion pass - with companions(s) - for Cork-Dublin 7 times a week. Wouldn't it be reasonable to investigate that?

foggy_lad

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Some people on disability payment can work some hours also as well as have free travel pass

Has anyone had any experience with having a pass taken and can you get it back or re apply?

Your Sister or You acting on her behalf can contact the DSP office and explain what happened and they will return the pass when it is returned to them by whoever confiscated it.

Free Travel Section
FREEPOST
Social Welfare Services
College Road
Sligo.

LoCall: 1890 500 000 (from the Republic of Ireland only)
+353 71 915 7100 (from Northern Ireland or overseas)

foggy_lad

Victor wrote: »

Not as intrusive as having to show it to the driver everytime and letting all and sundry that you fall into certain categories.

But they would also be paying for all those movements.

That is probably reasonable, although the appropriate rules would need to be put in place. Imagine someone was using a companion pass - with companions(s) - for Cork-Dublin 7 times a week. Wouldn't it be reasonable to investigate that?

why would it be reasonable to investigate it? If you give someone unlimited free travel you should not be investigating any of their movements like some transport nazi, Are people who are elderly or disabled not entitled to the same civil rights as others? Maybe they have friends/relatives in cork? or simply getting out of the house to relieve the boredom?

AlekSmart

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

My sister did the idiot lent it to a friend and now she panicking over it

Just to mclarify this....JP Liz V1,did your sister`s friend actually have the Free Pass taken up by an Inspector or Official ?

I`m really hoping here that your sisters friend was female....:o

I`m afraid it sounds as clear a case of misuse,abuse and downright stupidity as you`re likely to hear,unless she claims she was relieved of the document at gunpoint ?

Foggy_Lad : Why would it be reasonable to investigate it? If you give someone unlimited free travel you should not be investigating any of their movements like some transport nazi, Are people who are elderly or disabled not entitled to the same civil rights as others? Maybe they have friends/relatives in cork? or simply getting out of the house to relieve the boredom?

It`s quite correct that Foggy_Lad refers to the entltlements of the Free Pass holder,as I`m equally sure Foggy will agree that in return the Free Pass holder has some relatively simple responsibilities such as using the pass for themselves as opposed to "lending" it to another non-qualifying individual.

Thats why in this particular case it is most certainly "reasonable" for the DSP to investigate the misuse of its Free-Travel scheme,infacta if they were a bit more "Nazi" about the entire thing it might just secure the scheme for a bit longer,as if its allowed to continue as it currently is,the entire thing is going to collapse beneath the weight of fraud/misuse. :mad:

foggy_lad

AlekSmart wrote: »

It`s quite correct that Foggy_Lad refers to the entltlements of the Free Pass holder,as I`m equally sure Foggy will agree that in return the Free Pass holder has some relatively simple responsibilities such as using the pass for themselves as opposed to "lending" it to another non-qualifying individual.

Thats why in this particular case it is most certainly "reasonable" for the DSP to investigate the misuse of its Free-Travel scheme,infacta if they were a bit more "Nazi" about the entire thing it might just secure the scheme for a bit longer,as if its allowed to continue as it currently is,the entire thing is going to collapse beneath the weight of fraud/misuse. :mad:

Not quite correct AlekSmart, i was responding to Victor saying that to spy or monitor the movements of someone with free travel was reasonable.

They could easily spy on them if they have a regular travel pattern, ie check if they are abusing the system and working on the side.

That is probably reasonable, although the appropriate rules would need to be put in place. Imagine someone was using a companion pass - with companions(s) - for Cork-Dublin 7 times a week. Wouldn't it be reasonable to investigate that?

there is also the case that many of these free travel pass holders are below average intellectually and are sometimes easily led by others who might talk them into handing over/loaning their pass so are you suggesting that someone with downs syndrome or other such condition be deprived of their free travel pass because someone took advantage of their good nature?

Victor

foggy_lad wrote: »

why would it be reasonable to investigate it?

If we can go back to what RTDH said:

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

check if they are abusing the system

There is a difference between use and abuse. If as I suggested "Imagine someone was using a companion pass - with companions(s) - for Cork-Dublin 7 times a week.", then I would strongly suspect that was a matter of abuse, not use, e.g. the pass holder was being used as a walking ticket (if you'll pardon the expression). However, at the moment, we simply don't know.

If you give someone unlimited free travel you should not be investigating any of their movements like some transport nazi,

Quite probably. However, one does need to ask one's self if the system is benefiting the intended recipient or some other party

or simply getting out of the house to relieve the boredom?

Surely, this is not the objective of a transport system and the DSP funding might be better spent on some other resource. Sure, take a trip where ever you want or whenever you want, but surely it isn't the function of transport companies to provide entertainment as such.

AlekSmart

Victor wrote: »

If we can go back to what RTDH said:There is a difference between use and abuse........

Quite probably. However, one does need to ask one's self if the system is benefiting the intended recipient or some other party

Surely, this is not the objective of a transport system and the DSP funding might be better spent on some other resource. Sure, take a trip where ever you want or whenever you want, but surely it isn't the function of transport companies to provide entertainment as such.

Apologies Foggy_Lad,I missed your intention there.

However Victor has a point where establishing the bona -fides of DSP Free Pass holders is concerned.

I`m quite concerned that the legitimate members of the Free-Travel scheme appear unconcerned about the very real threat to the entire system which fraudulent use presents.

With the current perilous state of the Country`s economy and more particularly it`s Public Transport funding the rate of issue and use of the Free Travel pass is reaching levels of concern to all operators,who after all are reimbursed at an agreed rate based upon actual numbers of holders.

When we factor in the expanding numbers of fraudulent uses,including that of the OP`s sister then we have a problem which we can ignore or address...it`s your call.

A very good friend of mine works in the area of Educational Disadvantage and Learning Disability and often engages with me at length about the madness of blanket issuing of Free Travel passes to categories of people which it often then stigmatizes as being different.

She is adamant that the entire Free Travel scheme should be replaced by one where a cash-amount is paid to all DSP recipients which they could then use to fund their own Public Transport requirements-or not,as they please.

Her point being that maintaining the dignity of being regarded as equal in all things should be the issue rather than possession of a particular document.

If ordinary folk have to pay,then the DSP customers should pay too...their choice.

Either way,this deabate will soon become academic as the new administration runs over the Public Transport figures.....watch this space !! :eek:

Jaysoose

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

My sister did the idiot lent it to a friend and now she panicking over it

I for one hope the pass is not returned, getting sick of hearing about free travel passes for all when i have to pay for my yearly ticket.

People will never learn if there are no consequences for abuse of a privilege.

Losty Dublin

Jaysoose wrote: »

I for one hope the pass is not returned, getting sick of hearing about free travel passes for all when i have to pay for my yearly ticket.

People will never learn if there are no consequences for abuse of a privilege.

I utterly agree with this. They are getting a concessionary pass to travel free all over the island and there is no comeback for abusing it. It really is unfair both to those who have to pay for travel and those who genuinely need or require a travel pass that literally hundreds of thousands are out there; it's two fingers to us all.

Run_to_da_hills

People that abuse DA passes are no different to those that abuse disabled parking bays for their own gain. Those caught should be made example of and handed down a worse penalty than those normally caught fare dodging.

As mentioned before, I am not a great fan of smart cards but the constant abuse of the system is only doing its part in bringing them on.

It wouldn't surprise me that in the near future that a digitalized image of the card holder would appear on screen when the card is scanned by ticket inspectors.

Jaysoose

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

People that abuse DA passes are no different to those that abuse disabled parking bays for their own gain. Those caught should be made example of and handed down a worse penalty than those normally caught fare dodging.

As mentioned before, I am not a great fan of smart cards but the constant abuse of the system is only doing its part in bringing them on.

It wouldn't surprise me that in the near future that a digitalized image of the card holder would appear on screen when the card is scanned by ticket inspectors.

I think the penalty should be that they lose the 'privilege' of free travel and have to pay like everybody else.

Run_to_da_hills

Jaysoose wrote: »

I think the penalty should be that they lose the 'privilege' of free travel and have to pay like everybody else.

Sometimes it may not be the card holders fault, eg, if a member of his family sees it on the kitchen table and decides to take it unknowingly to its holder. This use to happen quite regular to myself with my older brothers in the 80's with my student pass when bunking train fares was taken less seriously.

You also must remember that as someone else pointed out, many of these card holders may not be "together", ie some suffering from physical and or or mental illnesses.

Jaysoose

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Sometimes it may not be the card holders fault, eg, if a member of his family sees it on the kitchen table and decides to take it unknowingly to its holder. This use to happen quite regular to myself with my older brothers in the 80's with my student pass when bunking train fares was taken less seriously.

You also must remember that as someone else pointed out, many of these card holders may not be "together", ie some suffering from physical and or or mental illnesses.

Im talking about abuse of the free travel, its easy to come up with different hypthetical situations where people can be absolved of responsibility but in the context of the thread were clear abuse of the system is detected i think the fitting reponse would be to remove the privilege.

Run_to_da_hills

Jaysoose wrote: »

Im talking about abuse of the free travel, its easy to come up with different hypthetical situations where people can be absolved of responsibility but in the context of the thread were clear abuse of the system is detected i think the fitting reponse would be to remove the privilege.

Assess the privilege would be more like it.

Losty Dublin

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Sometimes it may not be the card holders fault, eg, if a member of his family sees it on the kitchen table and decides to take it unknowingly to its holder. This use to happen quite regular to myself with my older brothers in the 80's with my student pass when bunking train fares was taken less seriously.

You also must remember that as someone else pointed out, many of these card holders may not be "together", ie some suffering from physical and or or mental illnesses.

A photograph on the pass would sort that issue out.

Run_to_da_hills

Losty Dublin wrote: »

A photograph on the pass would sort that issue out.

Ten years ago I would have agreed with that statement. Cheap digital technology today makes them easy to forge,

Current DA passes are supposed to carry a photo ID card with them.

Click to Confirm

Click to Confirm wrote: »

have you had a pass taken from you ?

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

My sister did the idiot lent it to a friend and now she panicking over it

was it taken by rail or bus inspectors ?

AlekSmart

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Ten years ago I would have agreed with that statement. Cheap digital technology today makes them easy to forge,

Current DA passes are supposed to carry a photo ID card with them.

If it`s the DSP passes you`re referring to RTDH,its still only the Urban area residents who require an ID PhotoCard.

Incredibly,if you have a rural address you still need no form of verification other than a signature,which incidentally is absent from virtually all DSP passes I have ever inspected.

Run_to_da_hills

AlekSmart wrote: »

If it`s the DSP passes you`re referring to RTDH,its still only the Urban area residents who require an ID PhotoCard.

Incredibly,if you have a rural address you still need no form of verification other than a signature,which incidentally is absent from virtually all DSP passes I have ever inspected.

I am aware of that as a member of my family has one. Usually on long distance trains you are obliged to have an additional ticket printed out with this. The ticket office will also print your PPS number on the ticket.

I gather if there is an issue with the PPS number it will show up there and then. Bus Eireann seem to allow DSP passes on board without issuing tickets.

AlekSmart

I gather if there is an issue with the PPS number it will show up there and then. Bus Eireann seem to allow DSP passes on board without issuing tickets.

Yep RTDH,as it currently stands all the Bus Companies do is record the DSP customers as a generic button push.

We are SO far behind the Northern Irish authorities it`s as if we Southerners were acting out Darby O Gill and the Little People for real.....:)

It should also be remembered that it was the late Michael McDonnell who,when Chairman of CIE,pressed for the tightening up of the Free Pass accounting on the Railway as he felt there was a gap between the journeys being made and the payment for same from the Government.

Whilst the figures have not,to my knowledge,been made public,I understand the subsequent hard-figures allowed Irish Rail to secure a significantly improved share of the cake in relation to Free Travel funding.

Sadly Mr McDonnell`s tragic death occurred before he had the opportunity to extend that approach into the Road Passenger companies.

JP Liz V1

Click to Confirm wrote: »

was it taken by rail or bus inspectors ?

Rail

Victor

AlekSmart wrote: »

She is adamant that the entire Free Travel scheme should be replaced by one where a cash-amount is paid to all DSP recipients which they could then use to fund their own Public Transport requirements-or not,as they please.

Her point being that maintaining the dignity of being regarded as equal in all things should be the issue rather than possession of a particular document.

If ordinary folk have to pay,then the DSP customers should pay too...their choice.

There are arguments for and against this and similar measures with the DSP's telephone, TV licence and energy allowances for certain pensioners (note, all services are/were provided by current or former semi-state organisations). http://www.welfare.ie/syndicatedcontent/en/social-welfare-payments/extra-social-welfare-benefits/household_benefits_package/

Providing a travel pass is (in theory at least) a progressive measure - those that need to travel the most are left no worse off than those who only need to travel short distances or only occasionally. Of course, it is regressive, as all pensioners, irrespective of income and some people might be better off with the cash.

However, the DPS travel passes bring a large number of customers for transport companies that might not be there otherwise and the are somewhat willing to provide a discount for that bulk custom, thereby providing the transport at lower overall cost to the state and the users.

For some parts of the Household Benefits Package, there is a real risk that some people would simply go without heat in the middle of winter in some form of misguided cost-cutting measure and delivering the service instead of cash is preferable.

foggy_lad

Jaysoose wrote: »

Im talking about abuse of the free travel, its easy to come up with different hypthetical situations where people can be absolved of responsibility but in the context of the thread were clear abuse of the system is detected i think the fitting reponse would be to remove the privilege.

I agree except that in this country of useless politicians and worthless and wasteful administration the bean-counters cant even come up with a practical smart-card pass that cant be forged so i dont ever see a day when they will be able to distinguish between someone being taken advantage of as a "walking ticket"or just making a mistake etc and the full time fraudsters.


one way to cut down on a ot of the fraud entails a very small change in the rules where every holder would be required to carry with them at all times a passport or driving licence or garda id card.

Losty Dublin

AlekSmart wrote: »

If it`s the DSP passes you`re referring to RTDH,its still only the Urban area residents who require an ID PhotoCard.

Incredibly,if you have a rural address you still need no form of verification other than a signature,which incidentally is absent from virtually all DSP passes I have ever inspected.

So if I read this correctly, somebody living in Athy or Dingle doesn't need photo ID but somebody in Crumlin or Mahon or Moyross estate does? :eek::eek::eek:

I hope you are incorrect on this point (Which I doubt as you are always on the ball) as I find it incredible and possibly legally discriminatory, not to mention the levels of opening of abuse channels that it allows. These passes should either be issued as smart card with photo ID on same or just give the whole state free passes as there is clearly little to no vetting, enforcement, policies of issuing or any set standards in relation to what is little more than a legal discount system run on behalf of the State against CIE, Luas and other transport companies.

New Haven

foggy_lad wrote: »

Your Sister or You acting on her behalf can contact the DSP office and explain what happened and they will return the pass when it is returned to them by whoever confiscated it.

The DSP do not take it lightly when somebody lends their free travel pass to another person. These passes are a very valuable item and are valued at over €1000.00 per year.

When a non-autherised person uses one of these passes, it is akin to Social Welfare Fraud. I saw thre bus inspectors get on my bus on Wood Quay on Thursday morning. They checked all free travel passes with the DSP when the pass holder had no photo id. Two of the passes were confiscated as the holders were not entitled to them. A €50 on the spot fine was issued in each case. I overheard one of the inspectors remark that the owner of one of the illegally used passes was dead for two years.

I have no sympathy for people who refuse to pay their bus/train fare. These people contribute to the fares going up and the rest of us having to pay more.

foggy_lad

Losty Dublin wrote: »

So if I read this correctly, somebody living in Athy or Dingle doesn't need photo ID but somebody in Crumlin or Mahon or Moyross estate does? :eek::eek::eek:

I hope you are incorrect on this point (Which I doubt as you are always on the ball) as I find it incredible and possibly legally discriminatory, not to mention the levels of opening of abuse channels that it allows. These passes should either be issued as smart card with photo ID on same or just give the whole state free passes as there is clearly little to no vetting, enforcement, policies of issuing or any set standards in relation to what is little more than a legal discount system run on behalf of the State against CIE, Luas and other transport companies.

the reason for the photo pass in certain listed urban areas is to allow faster checking of the pass against the individual while getting onto city busses while drivers on Bus Eireann coaches and train booking office staff can take more time scrutinising the pass with or without the photo pass part.

When using your Free Travel Pass, you must produce your Pass for inspection to an Inspector with the transport operator or to an official of the Department of Social Protection, if asked.

In addition, if you live in Dublin, Cork city, Waterford city, Limerick city or Galway city you must also produce a Free Travel Photo ID, which you can get from CIE offices for free. You should obtain this photopass within one month of receiving your Travel Pass.

You and your accompanying spouse, civil partner or cohabitant may also need to produce evidence of identity, by providing a sample of your signature(s) to the officials mentioned above.

A Free Travel Pass may be taken and returned to the Department of Social Protection if there are good reasons for suspecting that it is being misused.

http://www.welfare.ie/EN/Publications/SW40/Pages/9DoIneedtoshowproofofmyidentity.aspx

Losty Dublin

foggy_lad wrote: »

the reason for the photo pass in certain listed urban areas is to allow faster checking of the pass against the individual while getting onto city busses while drivers on Bus Eireann coaches and train booking office staff can take more time scrutinising the pass with or without the photo pass part.

http://www.welfare.ie/EN/Publications/SW40/Pages/9DoIneedtoshowproofofmyidentity.aspx

That is a load of sloblock if that's the case.

TheChrisD

foggy_lad wrote: »

http://www.welfare.ie/EN/Publications/SW40/Pages/9DoIneedtoshowproofofmyidentity.aspx

I really wish that they would change the wording of that to actually specifically mention "If you live in the catchment area of Dublin Bus services; or Bus Éireann city services in Cork, Waterford, Limerick or Galway."

For about two years here in Dunboyne since I got my pass, I never had the photo ID card (since technically according to that wording, I didn't need one), I only got one after in the space of three days, they almost took my pass off me FOUR times (at that time I had to get 4-6 buses a day to get where I wanted to go).

foggy_lad

TheChrisD wrote: »

I really wish that they would change the wording of that to actually specifically mention "If you live in the catchment area of Dublin Bus services; or Bus Éireann city services in Cork, Waterford, Limerick or Galway."

For about two years here in Dunboyne since I got my pass, I never had the photo ID card (since technically according to that wording, I didn't need one), I only got one after in the space of three days, they also took my pass off me FOUR times (at that time I had to get 4-6 buses a day to get where I wanted to go).

you should contact the free travel section and ask them to clarify if you are required to carry the photo id as dunboyne is clearly not in dublin city or county and the persons that took your pass may have been acting incorrectly.

AlekSmart

Foggy_Lad :you should contact the free travel section and ask them to clarify if you are required to carry the photo id as dunboyne is clearly not in dublin city or county and the persons that took your pass may have been acting incorrectly.

I fear Foggy that Dunboyne has come on a lot since the days of the Riordans....

http://www.dublinbus.ie/en/Your-Journey1/Timetables/All-Timetables/70/

However,a much more important issue is the use of the DSP Photo ID card as the actual Free Travel document itself...many DSP Photo ID holders are not elegible for Freee-Travel,yet have convinced themselves that the Photo Card IS The Free Travel Pass.

This in the ordinary course of events is bad enough,but it really gets costly when the two-halves of the Free Pass are divided between two individuals...a real double-whammy for the gobdaw`s who are paying for the scheme !

foggy_lad

AlekSmart wrote: »

I fear Foggy that Dunboyne has come on a lot since the days of the Riordans....

http://www.dublinbus.ie/en/Your-Journey1/Timetables/All-Timetables/70/

However,a much more important issue is the use of the DSP Photo ID card as the actual Free Travel document itself...many DSP Photo ID holders are not elegible for Freee-Travel,yet have convinced themselves that the Photo Card IS The Free Travel Pass.

This in the ordinary course of events is bad enough,but it really gets costly when the two-halves of the Free Pass are divided between two individuals...a real double-whammy for the gobdaw`s who are paying for the scheme !

Dunboyne has always had the number 70 bus but it is still not in Dublin City or County and according to the information from the DSP which is not very clear it could easily be taken as Dublin City or Dublin County but does not make any mention of the catchment area of Dublin transport.

if you live in Dublin, Cork city, Waterford city, Limerick city or Galway city

As for the photo pass it is not and never was a valid form of id. it is solely for use in conjunction with the free travel pass and in itself is not a travel pass and should be confiscated by staff if it is presentedon its own to obtain free travel.

AlekSmart

foggy_lad wrote: »

As for the photo pass it is not and never was a valid form of id. it is solely for use in conjunction with the free travel pass and in itself is not a travel pass and should be confiscated by staff if it is presentedon its own to obtain free travel.

You know that,I know that,the DSP know that Foggy,BUT a significant number of DSP customers do not know that and will react :mad: negatively :mad: if a Driver attempts to take THEIR pass of them

foggy_lad

AlekSmart wrote: »

You know that,I know that,the DSP know that Foggy,BUT a significant number of DSP customers do not know that and will react :mad: negatively :mad: if a Driver attempts to take THEIR pass of them

Let them react whatever way they want,that is what the large security screen beside the driver is for and the driver while stopped can use their mobile to call the Guards if out of radio range.

AlekSmart

foggy_lad wrote: »

Let them react whatever way they want,that is what the large security screen beside the driver is for and the driver while stopped can use their mobile to call the Guards if out of radio range.

Yes,perhaps....always assuming that it has`nt been made a capital offence for a Busdriver to have a mobile device on their person...?

Although I`m sure the offended person would agree to call the Gardai on the Busdrivers behalf as long as the Company would reimburse them for the effort....

foggy_lad

AlekSmart wrote: »

Yes,perhaps....always assuming that it has`nt been made a capital offence for a Busdriver to have a mobile device on their person...?

Although I`m sure the offended person would agree to call the Gardai on the Busdrivers behalf as long as the Company would reimburse them for the effort....

In reality though if bus drivers are not bothered to enforce the rules of the scheme they should quit whinging about the number of dodgey passes they see on a daily basis!

Losty Dublin

foggy_lad wrote: »

In reality though if bus drivers are not bothered to enforce the rules of the scheme they should quit whinging about the number of dodgey passes they see on a daily basis!

Given the amount of abuse and grief that bus drivers are put under from some passengers and given that no good comes off barring or confiscating tickets from people who are not entitled to use them, it's about the last thing for them to be worried about.

AlekSmart

In reality though if some bus drivers are not bothered to enforce the rules of the scheme they should quit whinging about the number of dodgey passes they see on a daily basis!

Fixed your erroneous assumptive post there for ya Foggy....

All I can say is,that if you ever try to flash yer Butter Voucher or Corn Flakes Box at me for your journey,ye better be prepared to do a little whingin yerself...