WITSU Elections 2011

celticutd87

The nominations for WITSU open on Monday so thought I would open a thread for people to discuss it.
Any ideas about candidates?

Sully

Former Entertainments Officer Frankie Mulqueen, on the YFG Munster Exec and WIT Committee, is running for Education anyway. Had a facebook page up but had to be taken down.

celticutd87

Hmm i see. Was thinking of running for welfare myself.

Sully

celticutd87 wrote: »

Hmm i see. Was thinking of running for welfare myself.

Conor and Denise are (pretty much) confirmed to run for Pres/Welfare.

Two other names that are out there for Education, Nathan Sanderson and another girl whose name escapes me. Both well known in Union circles, and Nathan ran last year.

celticutd87

Would denise be a lock for welfare you think?

MitchKoobski

You can never say for sure with these things.

We got any dates laid out yet?

Sully

Depends who runs against them and how they run their campaigns.

James Lamb got in for Education, which I wouldn't have bet on last year tbh as I thought the other lads who are more known in the Union and more Union friendly would get in.

Sully

MitchKoobski wrote: »

You can never say for sure with these things.

We got any dates laid out yet?

Nominations for Students Union Elections will Open next Monday 7th March @ 9am, Close of Nominations will be Friday 11th March @ 5pm.Candidates can start canvassing Wednesday 16th.Hustings will be on Monday 21st & Tuesday 22nd with Election Day Wednesday 23rd March.
3 Full Time Positions: President, Welfare & Education
2 Part Time Positions: Communications & Entertainments

(Taken from their Facebook)

calvin_zola

all the lads getting elected to organise the pissups, cos thats all that WITSU was ever, and will ever be good for

MacGyver

so are any of the candidates actually going to canvas the classes or just random stop people as they are walking and ask them for votes. last year i was stopped and asked to vote for the candidate in particular without knowing anything about them or what they had planned.

A number of years ago when it was more then just piss ups the candidates would go to classes and explain what they were about etc. Even when they were organizing the likes of rag week or other fund raising , why isn't this done anymore.

What kind of student numbers actually vote? surely if they are going to be the students voice they should get as many student involved as possible.

MitchKoobski

I remember two or three of them asking could they pop into lectures before, mainly in the business building.
Only giving them a week to canvass seems silly though.

FrankieMul

Hi lads,
My name is Frank Mulqueen and I am running for the Education Officer position in this years election. I know every year on this board that people take the the opportunity to vent frustration and displeasure towards the Union and candidates. That doesnt bother me at all as we have put ourselves out there and have made promises that we should honour.

However I am asking you to take a look at my FB page http://www.facebook.com/pages/Frankie-Mulqueen-for-Wit-su-Education-Officer-1112/192296300804633?ref=ts which I will use to put out my ideas throughout the campaign. I will answer any reasonable question put to me regarding my plans, ideas and views. I will also take on any information on problems you have encountered throughout your time at WIT.

I would plead that get involved and use your vote in this election. I believe I have credible realistic ideas that can and will work. My manifesto will be published today and I feel it will prove what I have said. I will also be publishing a more detailed account of each point on this throughout the election!

There is no spoof, lies or broad ideas in my manifesto that have no substance and I want to do what is honest, correct and right. I appreciate you taking the time to read this and hope you consider Frank Mulqueen to be your Education officer.
Vote for experience and substance
VOTE Frank Mulqueen #1

Sully

I assume this was aimed at yourself Frankie. Was posted on Facebook. Any comment?

WITSU, Conor Doyle, President wrote:

WIT Students For Clarification: There is already a relief fund in WIT, which is a student hardship fund and is administered by the Welfare Officer of the Students Union.Any students who need to avail of this contact Denise on welfare@witsu.ie.
This year myself and Denise have sourced increased funding by 600% for this fund. With regard sabbatical officers wages for hours worked our pay is below minimum wage anyway.

FrankieMul

Look i have talked to both Denise and the Chaplains office on this matter who both run separate funds along with one administered by what was the CHART office. And both parties who I spoke to said yes that their funds were highly successful and were working well but that the need was increasing all the time and students will always need help. And it is my wage and if elected it will be my wage and I will choose to be charitable with it if I please. I don't need much to enjoy life on and so I will be foregoing it if elected by the students of WIT and using it for people who need it more than I do.!

On the point that it was aimed at me Im not running against Conor so I wont be commenting on it. I will be running my own campaign with my own idea's and I will have no problem cutting my wage on day 1. I do have my full manifesto now online @ https://docs.google.com/document/d/19yfJDMo-NIyby4pTNmyL3_SWTWpwISRSlNhja_yB4TY/edit?hl=en

These are my plans that I will be sticking by throughout the campaign because that's what i think is right!

Sully

Why not donate all your wage, since its small enough anyway?

FrankieMul

Food and rent esb clothes expenses! Unless ya put me up in your gaff Kev!

Sully

FrankieMul wrote: »

Food and rent esb clothes expenses! Unless ya put me up in your gaff Kev!

So you think you can survive with the cuts you are proposing?

FrankieMul

Ya I think I could anyway! Single young! I think most people in my situation could!

AdMMM

What is the wage? For some reason I have figure of 14k in my head?!

FrankieMul

22,000

waterfordit

22,000 is ridiculous, any decent candidate that cares about the student shouldn't take any wage.

The "job" isn't even 9 to 5, it's more like having a social gathering in college and getting paid for it, unless you call sitting in the canteen most of the day a job

MitchKoobski

waterfordit wrote: »

22,000 is ridiculous, any decent candidate that cares about the student shouldn't take any wage.

That has to be one of the more ridiculous statements I've ever seen on boards.

You honestly expect me to believe you'd work a full time job for an entire year and not take ANY wage for it?

You may as well be saying
"Any decent lecturer that cares about students shouldnt take a wage."
"Any decent student that cares about their education shouldnt take a grant"
"Any decent guard who cares about protecting the community shouldnt take a wage"

FrankieMul

Look on the wage I feel I can live of minimum wage and use the remaining funds to support students more. Although there is funds there more is required and this has been said in my meetings with the chaplain and the the welfare officer.

On the 9-5 issue I would have to disagree as many officers have put in huge effort in the past! I would love the chance to prove this wrong and put in as much work as possible in representing the student body! I feel my manifesto and the detailed outlines more than speak from themselves. They are realistic, fair and attainable!

Sully

I love the whole "no spoof, lies or broad ideas" yet your campaigning to slash your wages and start a relief fund.... thats already there and you were forced into admitting this by a statement made by the WITSU President pointing that out

FrankieMul

Kevin how have I spoofed it was made clear that this fund is there by both me and WITSU. I havent hid or lied about this. But both parties to whom I spoke said clearly that more is needed. This fund would be administered independent of the Union and is my idea of doing my bit to students. If your criticising a person for voluntarily cutting their wages to set up a fund to be used to loan student money during hard times, well then I have no answer for that. There is already 3 funds on campus plus numerous other bursaries, yet I have never heard of some else criticising these. Also if the fund is not used by the end of the year or their is funds remaining then I will be donating these to charity which will be chosen at the discretion of class rep council. I dont see how people would be against this?

FrankieMul

Just on a follow on point I had published a link to the student relief fund plan before any comment was issued by Student Union officers on this point pointing out that there was already 3 funds in existence.

Sully

Your Facebook, poster and manifesto state you will "setup a student relief fund" through your wage cut. Yet, Conor pointed out that we already have one and you then agreed with that and said that the wages will simply add to the fund. I have no issues with the fund, adding to the fund through wage cuts or any other means.

My point is - you suggest that you will start a fund, but the fund is already there. An oversight?

Also, the whole area around job list for placement. WITSU already has a comprehensive list of jobs available. So that would be another part you are suggesting creating but that is already there. I assume you will come back and say that you will add onto that list - like you did with the student relief fund idea?

Likewise, you suggest we setup an office for such in future. May I ask what the point in the Careers office would be if your proposal was acted upon? I assume those employed in that office would be paid so would that not be a further drain on our funds? Who do you proposed get such a job?

When I was looking for placement in my course, it was the Careers office who provided a regular update on employers, interviews in the library basement and so on. Many of my class got their placement through jobs offered through the Careers office. Likewise, if they needed a bit of part time work (which I see isn't mentioned in your manifesto - many students need part time jobs to pay their way through college) looked mostly at the WITSU list.

FrankieMul

No my fund will have to be repaid over time and is a loan system interest free. the Unions is not. That is why it will be administered by people who are better judges of situations through their experience in this field over many cases and years.

So it will be an entirely new fund with new criteria and and operating manner.

It has a student job list but not a work placement portfolio. And this is only the beginning of this point it will be the start of the campaign to establish a placement office to help assist students find quality placements that relate to their studies through developing links. Very similar to the Co-Op office in UL.

This office would be run and administered by the college and is not a careers office merely a placement office two very different fields in my belief.

This office would deal exclusively with placements and would also deal with matters or problems arising from these placements like in UL as the careers centre is not capable nor obliged to do this.

Sully

So basically, you want to reform the fund thats there and not setup a new one? The only differences being is having no interest and also ensuring that its paid back?

On the second point, you propose effectively splitting the job of the careers office in two. One for life after college and one for placement? I assume you feel that they are not doing a good enough job looking after placement students and haven't developed decent links for courses?

FrankieMul

No it would a separate independent fund of that one already in place. The criteria will be different and more looser so that students who can payback will payback. That is why I have been in contact with more experienced persons who could manage it better than I or the Union.! It will also provide cash only unlike the WITSU which provides food vouchers also instead of cash in some cases.

Yes I would agree they haven't developed links of a sufficient quality and they do not work with the majority of students or courses to attain industry work placements for students. Nor do they advertise any of the services you have said in your posts on their website. Its not their job to is the reason for that. It is left up to courses to try and aid their students. But if you centralise all these to one office as the go to point I feel it will be more streamlined and professional and give industry the clarity as to who to contact on campus should they be looking for students.

ilikemusic

Frankies proposal of a placement officers came up in conversation today in class, and this was highlighted,

http://www2.wit.ie/SchoolsDepartments/SchoolofBusiness/workplacement/ContactUs/

Im not sure if it is only the school of business that has these officers, surely the other school have similar officers? Why would only the school of business have this, when most course have workplacement. Does the careers centre look after students from other schools that do not have this service? And what does he propose would happen to the jobs of those in this office if one single person was to take over it all?

I think the proposal of taking a min. wage for the year is generous, but tbh i would see it as better to work out of office hours, or not claim expenses, and try to create funding that would be continus each year, such as from past students etc., Announcing that you are going to take a min. wage than your oppositon is very current right now, it doesnt seam to solve the long term problem that student will need help the year after next etc..

FrankieMul

It is only the School of Business that has this office! And My plan would be for have these services centralised and would imagine that of the college were to create this office it would seem sensible that these employee's with their skills be transferred into the office. Seems logical. The hospitality languages and tourism dept does not have this.

On the min wage thing and it continuation it has to start somewhere. I would have no problem working out of office hours until the work is complete. It is a start though and I agree with you it could become a problem if I leave the office but i would love to hear any suggestion you may have on this point!

That is why I posted on hear I want to hear problems and any suggestion people may have.

With regard to expenses. I dont see what expenses are required apart from a phone and of course anything u spend for the union that it be reimbursed. But not for example clothes for the work or things that you are expected to have for any job. Fair and transparent! Maybe a suggestion would be for expense declarations to be made at each class rep council like annual leave is!

Sully

FrankieMul wrote: »

No it would a separate independent fund of that one already in place. The criteria will be different and more looser so that students who can payback will payback. That is why I have been in contact with more experienced persons who could manage it better than I or the Union.! It will also provide cash only unlike the WITSU which provides food vouchers also instead of cash in some cases.

So you want to fragment a fairly delicate and fragile student support fund, instead of just fixing the problems with the current one? It was always my understanding that WITSU gave out cash for those stuck. In fact, I remember at the last Class Rep Council Denise pointing out about such a fund for someone who was stuck financially and had to stay down in Waterford. I can even remember cases last year.

Yes I would agree they haven't developed links of a sufficient quality and they do not work with the majority of students or courses to attain industry work placements for students. Nor do they advertise any of the services you have said in your posts on their website. Its not their job to is the reason for that. It is left up to courses to try and aid their students. But if you centralise all these to one office as the go to point I feel it will be more streamlined and professional and give industry the clarity as to who to contact on campus should they be looking for students.

Fairly sweeping statement there Frankie! What research have you done in this area to know that all courses are not linking well with the dedicated Careers office? Have you spoken with the various departments? Surely not being a class rep or school convenor would impact on your knowledge of how well or poorly the office does for the various schools? If the office isn't up to scratch, as you seem to think, why are you again proposing a fragmentation rather then canvassing to fix it. Your approach seems to be create a new service instead of fixing the other one.

There is a stand on both campuses with some job information. Its also on VLE (Moodle), there is a text message system for jobs, they have a public office for students, a website which does list jobs available, and Facebook.

Just seems a lot of populism in the manifesto but when you break parts of it down you start seeing holes and problems. Creating services that are already there seems to be popular enough!

Another example would be the area around the USI -- you want to hold a referendum on this. Why wait? Why not get the referendum up and running and hold it during the elections instead of trying to get the WITSU Exec to agree with your idea (which we all know, will never happen under the current team) and then come back empty handed to the college? Same with the approach of fixing the problems you and others (like me) see that WITSU has -- your one small man in a very big union team that know each other. Its going to be very hard to push through any type of change or reform - I don't think even James Lamb who made similar pledges managed that!

Out of curiosity, how do you feel you can make a fairly big jump from Entertainments Officer (two years ago was it?) to Education Officer? I don't even think you or the communications officer at the time were invited to USI Congress when you were elected, so I am not sure of your background for SU work (being a class rep, heavily involved in union campaigns throughout the years etc). Give the lads here a bit of a background on your SU past, for those who don't know you as well as I would.

ilikemusic

I'm surprised that business is the only school with this service, it does seam unfair, but does suggest that somebody else (such as careers center looks after the rest of the college).
Considering there is three full time staff in that office, if this was to become one office to cater for every student would this not require a very large team, maybe 10-12 full-timers? And as there is a ban on recruitment in the public sector at the moment, and the college will be faced with cut-backs, how do you think this will be funded?
Why would you donate your remaining funds to charity at the end of the year? should that money be kept over the summer, maybe for students paying repeat fees? and carried onto the next year? A good way to raise funds for this would be as I suggested set up a fund/ charity and encourage past students, current staff, local businesses, national businesses etc to donate to support students in need.
What job allows somebody to claim expenses for clothing?? Stating officers expenses at meetings is a good idea.

FrankieMul

No fragmentation its an entirely new fund circa €4,500! There is no problem with the current one just more funds are needed. And yes but I said also food vouchers my plan is mine will be for cash flow problems as opposed to providing food on campus for them. hence the reason I am asking for it to be paid back.

If you had read my bio you would know I was a class rep for 3 years and served on the SU exec.

Yes jobs information but placement is much more than that! Student should learn on placement that is its point. The bulk of careers infromation is for that alone Careers. It does not cater nor have a section to cater for placement where specific needs need to be met, such as progression, monitoring development and of course ensuring that the student is happy and safe within their placement.

These services arent there is my point. Not in my vision for them. I didnt say they werent up to scratch either I said that it is not their job to find placements for students!

With regard to USI my belief is that we pay too much for what we get and they havent served WIT well however mine is one view, I want to get a forum together to review the USI position and get a consensus on what we want from them or if we need them at all. This seems fair to include more in the decision before rushing a head with a mis-informed campaign.And i never mentioned the Exec on this point!
Please read my points carefully please and stop misquoting me
And out of the current Exec there is only 2 who will prob be returning and that is Denis and Conor so the current team will not exist come July 1st

And Kevin yes it will be hard no doubt but if you dont try and change things what is the point in even running! If ya cant stand up and say what you want to do then all you are is a empty vessel. I made these pledges because I believe they are attainable and justified.

And its not change for change sakes its the changes that I see are fit for improving the Union.

On Congress I was invited and did attend. have pics somewhere if u would like me to email them?
As Ents officer I saw first hand how the office worked. I saw things I liked and thing I didnt. I also worked on WIT's first full week Rag week. We broke the €20,000 for the first time ever and a lot of effort was put in by all involved. I also sat on the Exec during a tough time for the Union regarding HR and got to understand that while the Union is a representative body it is also a business and must be run like one.
But im not running on that fact, Im running because I have looked at how it has been done before and feel I can be stronger in this position than others. I feel my knowledge of policy and understanding how things work outside of WIT. But with regard to the business side of the Union I have worked and helped run a huge family business since I was a young fella and I am more than competent in this regard!

Just out of curiosity can you vote?

FrankieMul

With regards to the Biz school they can form offices like this as they can spend their budget as they see fit! The careers centre does not look after everyone else nor do they advertise to? Remember by having it for everyone you create economies of scale. Plus large schools such as the law dept and Music do not have placements. Yes but you can re-deploy and even use people from the school of Business and colleges HR dept to look aid in running this.
Money will have to be spent but it is in the interest and development of the college. This is my point sometimes resources have to be reallocated to meet the times. I believe students should pay their own repeat fees they are not exorbitant and are a fixed flat rate that students could be expecting for months in advance. See with it being paid back then year after year it would build up!
It is a fine idea but no database is kept and available to the SU on past students
Any job where u are required to wear a uniform you are entitle to have this paid for.!

ilikemusic

FrankieMul wrote: »

With regards to the Biz school they can form offices like this as they can spend their budget as they see fit! The careers centre does not look after everyone else nor do they advertise to? Remember by having it for everyone you create economies of scale. Plus large schools such as the law dept and Music do not have placements. Yes but you can re-deploy and even use people from the school of Business and colleges HR dept to look aid in running this.
Money will have to be spent but it is in the interest and development of the college. This is my point sometimes resources have to be reallocated to meet the times. I believe students should pay their own repeat fees they are not exorbitant and are a fixed flat rate that students could be expecting for months in advance. See with it being paid back then year after year it would build up!
It is a fine idea but no database is kept and available to the SU on past students
Any job where u are required to wear a uniform you are entitle to have this paid for.!

I was suggesting that the careers center may assist students in finding work placement .. http://www.wit.ie/CareersCentre/Jobs/InternshipsandPlacements
Surely each course that has work placement has a lecture etc that looks after students and makes sure they are ok during their placement?

Would economies of scale really come into this? at the end of the day, if there are 12 officers working trying to cater for all students seeking work placement, that is 12 full-time wages. Where are you proposing the savings by making this a centered service?

What experience would employees from the WIT HR dept have in this area? If you try to re-deploy public servants from their positions, and they are not happy with it they will bring their unions in, and stop it.

I dont understand you said "See with it being paid back then year after year it would build up!". If you are not charging interest, your aim would be to have the same amount at the end of the year as you did at the start? how would it build up if you are going to donate it all to charity at the end of the year?

The college keep a database of past WIT student, my sister went here five years ago, they contacted her last summer to update her contact information. If it was for a good cause like that wouldnt the college contact past students on behalf of the SU?
An event better idea would be to use the fee's given to USI and support WIT students instead

FrankieMul

well you could incorporate it would be the same thing effectively! but yes i see your point! yes each course ya a placement co-ordinator but take this work off them and give it to a dedicated office would be a more professional set up! It would send a clear indication to potential students and industry that our students are catered for and looked after with the emphasis being on work ready and employable!

Savings would be made by again removing these hours from lectures who are often unreachable during the summer and allow them to lecture which is what they are paid to do! It would also mean with one centred office that each school would not need administrators!

The HR dept would have the skills to deal with conflict resolution that is bound to occur with so many students going on placement as well as having the skills of job matching people to jobs!

Because should it happen again with wages being cut the year after it would double from 4,500 to 9,000 over 2 years.!

On USI that was what I have in mind but consultation with students and a review is required to give a fair and balanced result! That seems fair transparent and democratic to me.

I will look into past records and try to find out more on that and how it could be used for SU operations for you and for myself! Thanks for that though!

And just in relation to that list very few are suitable for WIT placement students!

Sully

FrankieMul wrote: »

No fragmentation its an entirely new fund circa €4,500! There is no problem with the current one just more funds are needed. And yes but I said also food vouchers my plan is mine will be for cash flow problems as opposed to providing food on campus for them. hence the reason I am asking for it to be paid back.

Okay I am getting tad confused. So lets just straighten this out once and for all.

You want to create a new fund, because you feel the original one is not adequate. Obviously, because why would you create a fund if the original one served its purpose? You said your one would need to be paid back and no interest. Plus, its "cash only" instead of food vouchers (which, I think is a good idea - if you cant pay for food, then the voucher will cover it... I doubt the SU give them in circumstances where they would be useless). All flaws with the original one. You also said, above, the current one needs more funds and you said earlier your wage cut would add to such. Another problem.

My confusion? One minute your adding to the existing fund, then your just creating a new one because the current one hasn't as much money etc. Why not reform the current one so it meets your requirements?

If you had read my bio you would know I was a class rep for 3 years and served on the SU exec.

We can all read, but I am sure you will meet students who will ask you these questions and you wont stop and say "Read my bio!".

Yes jobs information but placement is much more than that! Student should learn on placement that is its point. The bulk of careers infromation is for that alone Careers. It does not cater nor have a section to cater for placement where specific needs need to be met, such as progression, monitoring development and of course ensuring that the student is happy and safe within their placement.

These services arent there is my point. Not in my vision for them. I didnt say they werent up to scratch either I said that it is not their job to find placements for students!

So the jobs the Careers office presents to people looking for temporary employment during work experience... is not adequate? Its focused on the longer vision of a permanent job? Again, based on experience, this didn't seem to happen with people in my year. Many got a job based on what they received from the office, and found it fantastic help in terms of keeping them safe(!), progressing, development and overall happiness.

But maybe its not working for everyone - and its not perfect. Nothing is. So why not look at the area of reform so it covers both? Or if we want wild, go with the Business School approach (I used it before, its very good). Iv never been a fan of breaking things up into smaller pieces, instead of just having one role which covers all areas under that.

With regard to USI my belief is that we pay too much for what we get and they havent served WIT well however mine is one view, I want to get a forum together to review the USI position and get a consensus on what we want from them or if we need them at all. This seems fair to include more in the decision before rushing a head with a mis-informed campaign.And i never mentioned the Exec on this point!
Please read my points carefully please and stop misquoting me
And out of the current Exec there is only 2 who will prob be returning and that is Denis and Conor so the current team will not exist come July 1st

Something I agree with, just don't understand why not have it now in the run up to an election and get the required signatures to have a referendum (if applicable). Or earlier in the year.

And Kevin yes it will be hard no doubt but if you dont try and change things what is the point in even running! If ya cant stand up and say what you want to do then all you are is a empty vessel. I made these pledges because I believe they are attainable and justified.

And its not change for change sakes its the changes that I see are fit for improving the Union.

Your position, easy. Set a standard, set an example. Fight for change within, going to be tough one man fighting an old system that doesn't like much change. I'm not saying don't do it, just seems to be a main item on your campaign trail I dislike. Just my POV, which I am entitled to. You will come across people on your campaign who disagree on various points, you should be well used to that with your very active Fine Gael/WIT YFG campaign to get Paudie Coffey elected.

On Congress I was invited and did attend. have pics somewhere if u would like me to email them?

Wasn't sure, hence the question mark. Was told you didn't by a few and did by others.

As Ents officer I saw first hand how the office worked. I saw things I liked and thing I didnt. I also worked on WIT's first full week Rag week. We broke the €20,000 for the first time ever and a lot of effort was put in by all involved. I also sat on the Exec during a tough time for the Union regarding HR and got to understand that while the Union is a representative body it is also a business and must be run like one.
But im not running on that fact, Im running because I have looked at how it has been done before and feel I can be stronger in this position than others. I feel my knowledge of policy and understanding how things work outside of WIT. But with regard to the business side of the Union I have worked and helped run a huge family business since I was a young fella and I am more than competent in this regard!

How many years ago was that, and hasn't there been change in the exec and sabbatical officers? Iv noticed change in how things have been done, and I was one of the few who spoke out against their way of doing things.

Just out of curiosity can you vote?

Yup. Have voted in each election since entering college and me repeating a few modules won't have an impact on that from my checking. And even if I wasn't - should my voice be ignored because I have no voting rights yet am a WIT Student?

There are some excellent points and ideas your campaign has I agree with, but forgive me for pushing you on what I see as weak points and holes within.

FrankieMul

I have never said I want to add to the existing fun! Will you read the posts fully and the documents i have published relating to this. Mine will be set up for cash flow problems hence I am calling relief! The funds that exist in college work but more funding is needed and mine is aimed at cash flow problems! By that I meant that my fund would relieve that fund of the students with the cash flow difficulties! How can the current one be reformed they serve two different purposes! I never said there was a problem that needed to be reformed in any of them! !

Yes in person but if they are online then they have access to it! And as i said reasonable questions on this will be answered!

No because I believe if possible work experience should be paid! And work experience is suppose to be full time so where would a part time job fit in???

I believe that by setting up a quality work experience and placement office it would solve many problems with long term employment chances as experience is one of the key things any employer looks for. I believe that careers and placement are different and look for different attributes! One is for learning and developing the other is of course a career!

regarding USI and my position on that i feel its too big of a campaign to rush and through a forum students would become better informed of all issues regarding this!

Ah willing to stand up for what I think is right and is needed!

New exec elected every year!

Oh just thought part time students couldnt apologies!

Sully

FrankieMul wrote: »

I have never said I want to add to the existing fun! Will you read the posts fully and the documents i have published relating to this. Mine will be set up for cash flow problems hence I am calling relief! The funds that exist in college work but more funding is needed and mine is aimed at cash flow problems! By that I meant that my fund would relieve that fund of the students with the cash flow difficulties! How can the current one be reformed they serve two different purposes! I never said there was a problem that needed to be reformed in any of them! !

Thats not what your previous posts read. So rather then going back and pointing out where you suggested there was problems, and were you suggested you would add funds - ill call it a day and people can read it over for themselves. Might be just me.

Yes in person but if they are online then they have access to it! And as i said reasonable questions on this will be answered!

O....K... Sorry, I didn't think it was a big deal and me not quoting from your bio or others reading it would annoy you.

No because I believe if possible work experience should be paid! And work experience is suppose to be full time so where would a part time job fit in???

When did we start talking about who should and who shouldn't get paid for work experience?

I believe that by setting up a quality work experience and placement office it would solve many problems with long term employment chances as experience is one of the key things any employer looks for. I believe that careers and placement are different and look for different attributes! One is for learning and developing the other is of course a career!

It would seem we will agree to disagree. I think its doing a fairly good job with room for improvement based on my knowledge and you feel the opposite I assume based on your knowledge.

regarding USI and my position on that i feel its too big of a campaign to rush and through a forum students would become better informed of all issues regarding this!

I seem to recall you and others suggesting it sometime ago. (The campaign, this year, well before you announced your election intentions).

Ah willing to stand up for what I think is right and is needed!

New exec elected every year!

"Union Heads" ring any bells with you?! Lots of folk out there that are very good friends and close to the lads, so you will run into the same problem.

We saw it on the USI page - the dedicated will rarely listen to those outside the box. We pointed out flaws, they said it was fine as did the heads. Who won that battle!

Oh just thought part time students couldnt apologies!

Apology accepted.

Coming across these mistakes a fair bit these days eh!

Anyway, good man for coming on Boards and taking the hit. It gives folk plenty of room for thought. Shame other candidates couldn't be bothered interacting on here more officially.

FrankieMul

I didnt say the fund should be added to ever!

You said " So the jobs the Careers office presents to people looking for temporary employment during work experience... is not adequate? "

Why would they want or have time for a part time job while on placement?
Employment and work experience 2 different things!

On the referendum time just caught up on me and I feel as Education officer would be easier to communicate with Students on this issue!

I believe no friends of the Union should ever gets positions or be pushed for them! Its unfair! Also bit relating to this by making sure the paid jobs are advertised and appointed by the manager!

Ya I like boards always read havent posted in a while! I like engaging and ask any others who want to ask questions to do so! Nite Kev!

celticutd87

FrankieMul wrote: »

Why would they want or have time for a part time job while on placement?
Employment and work experience 2 different things!

Im on placement right now and have a part time job. I need this job to keep myself ticking over with petrol costs, rent etc. Iv plenty of time on the weekends. Bad statement.

FrankieMul

Sorry posted that a little out of my own context!
Meant that if quality paying placements could be found that students would not need this! Sorry I didn't make that clear myself!

Sully

FrankieMul wrote: »

Sorry posted that a little out of my own context!
Meant that if quality paying placements could be found that students would not need this! Sorry I didn't make that clear myself!

Problem there is, especially now, if you have a job you will stick with it. Work placement, which is paid generally, is only for a few months and after that you have another year at least of college to fund. So if you quit the part time job for work placement, then your kinda screwed.