Shafted again by the Soldiers of Infamy

Voodoo_rasher

Coillte - seemingly a done deal

Is this in the public domain yet? or is the Public Dis-service Broadcaster shielding the populace from this (as it does)

(referencing V Brown with the PD-sB term)

http://www.politics.ie/environment/144127-lets-keep-eye-coillte-15.html

FG vowed not to sell off Coillte so the carpet has been swiped from under them also. new Govt's prospects booby-trapped (again)

ilovesleep

FF are absolute rats. Pure and utter dirty rats. I hope to god ireland brings back execution for these rats.

Ulysses Gaze

The first of many landmines left by the Soldiers of Bankruptcy.

Pravda RTE still in thrall to their (former) masters if they haven't broadcast this.

squod

It's 100% the fault of people who keep voting for them and their ilk.

starbelgrade

ilovesleep wrote: »

FF are absolute rats. Pure and utter dirty rats. I hope to god ireland brings back execution for these rats.

The death penalty can never be re-introduced back into Ireland as it was essentially written out of the Constitution in 2002 with the Twenty-First Amendment.

The Twenty-first Amendment was introduced by the Fianna Fáil–Progressive Democrats coalition government of Bertie Ahern.

Bertie Ahern is also the chairman of the Swiss owned company who are trying (or have already?) bought out Coillte.

Now considering the absolute treason this man has committed against our country, you would be forgiven for thinking that the Amendment to the Constitution & his actions were in some way related.

brianthebard

In Britain people are burning effigies of westminster over the possibility of their forests being sold, but nobody even ****ing knows what's happening here.

ejmaztec

squod wrote: »

It's 100% the fault of people who keep voting for them and their ilk.

The 20 TDs they still ended up with is a fucking insult in itself, still proving that there are enough cretins left to vote the slimey bastards in.

indough

brianthebard wrote: »

In Britain people are burning effigies of westminster over the possibility of their forests being sold, but nobody even ****ing knows what's happening here.

are they made out of paper or cardboard?

Voodoo_rasher

starbelgrade wrote: »

The death penalty can never be re-introduced back into Ireland as it was essentially written out of the Constitution in 2002 with the Twenty-First Amendment.

The Twenty-first Amendment was introduced by the Fianna Fáil–Progressive Democrats coalition government of Bertie Ahern.

Bertie Ahern is also the chairman of the Swiss owned company who are trying (or have already?) bought out Coillte.

Now considering the absolute treason this man has committed against our country, you would be forgiven for thinking that the Amendment to the Constitution & his actions were in some way related.

appears a Geological Survey of the forested lands in question was undertaken; the report has not been released! I have kept a newspaper clipping of this somewhere..got to look for it.
would love to obtain it.
still sick to the gills since this morning.

AskMyChocolate

Just so people can get this in perspective, we are talking about common/public lands equal in size to Laois and Offaly put together. How the fcuker Aherne isn't rotting in prison is beyond me.

galwayrush

Kinda ironic, all the forest he has a personal share in, and all we need is one suitable tree to hang the bastard on.

Iwannahurl

What Chairman Bertie is doing with all that spare time (and perhaps our assets):
http://www.tribune.ie/news/home-news/article/2010/dec/19/bertie-ahern-in-expenses-paid-trip-to-china-for-fo/

Shane Ross has targeted Coillte and its lack of accountability in the past:
http://www.independent.ie/business/irish/coillte-chiefs-package-hits-8364417k-despite-profit-plunge-2161778.html

Bertie's new job (one of them):
http://www.forestry-fund.com/Press-Releases/bertie-ahern-to-become-chairman-of-the-international-forestry-fund.html

The Office of Bertie Ahern, statesman:
http://bertieahernoffice.org

AskMyChocolate

Voodoo_rasher wrote: »

appears a Geological Survey of the forested lands in question was undertaken; the report has not been released! I have kept a newspaper clipping of this somewhere..got to look for it.
would love to obtain it.
still sick to the gills since this morning.

Not positive, but I think it established that there may be huge deposits of oil/gas under The Bog of Allen/ Lough Allen. I feel physically sick. I have been telling about this for months. I think it's the IFF (a private company) that Aherne is Chairman of that it was being sold to.

ejmaztec

An odd job for Bertie to get, as he could never see the wood for the trees at the best of times.

squod

How Ray Burke got his hands on Santry woods is still puzzling me. But Bertie has fairly put him in the poor house in terms of scale. 243 acres vs thousands of acres by Bertie. Jaysus, B B B Bertie has stolen the show on this one.

Dartz

Solution:

Burn the forests. All of them. Nothing to transfer.

Voodoo_rasher

AskMyChocolate wrote: »

Not positive, but I think it established that there may be huge deposits of oil/gas under The Bog of Allen/ Lough Allen. I feel physically sick. I have been telling about this for months. I think it's the IFF (a private company) that Aherne is Chairman of that it was being sold to.

i heard vicinity of Lough Allen in connection to this, thanks.

galwayrush

Is Bertie a genius, he orchestrated the IMF to come in, Now the IMF may get us to sell our assets and Bertie pockets an astounding amount of money...
maybe he wasn't a delusional bastard at all, but a very cold and calculating one.

bad2dabone

he's a traitor.

AskMyChocolate

Iwannahurl wrote: »

What Chairman Bertie is doing with all that spare time (and perhaps our assets):
http://www.tribune.ie/news/home-news/article/2010/dec/19/bertie-ahern-in-expenses-paid-trip-to-china-for-fo/

Shane Ross has targeted Coillte and its lack of accountability in the past:
http://www.independent.ie/business/irish/coillte-chiefs-package-hits-8364417k-despite-profit-plunge-2161778.html

Bertie's new job (one of them):
http://www.forestry-fund.com/Press-Releases/bertie-ahern-to-become-chairman-of-the-international-forestry-fund.html

The Office of Bertie Ahern, statesman:
http://bertieahernoffice.org

Thanks for that chief. You're not the only one who wants to hurl.

AskMyChocolate

squod wrote: »

It's 100% the fault of people who keep voting for them and their ilk.

Let's not forget Enda Kenny/Fine Gael's part in failing to make a huge issue of this. Two cheeks of the same arse.

squod

What's really getting me is the people who voted in favour of the bail-out fraud. As M. Martin said, he's delaying the €10bn payment until there is a mandate for it. ''We'' have just given the next lot the mandate and go-ahead to defraud the nation to the tune of €80bn. Nice one.

Are people for real? Seriously, I doubt if I could find any other country that would voluntarily put up with this kind of thing.

starbelgrade

There was a thread about this in AH last night - it was locked as it started out as a call for people to sign an online protest petition.

However there was a very good post by another poster, Treora, on the matter, which I've edited here...

The massive one on this is not the access to the land which will be cut off for insurance purposes or the destruction of the few native trees on Coillte land. No, the big one here is the €1*(10)12 in carbon credits and more importantly carbon credit derivatives that HW will earn over the next 15 years from this amazing deal.

This is another corrib, selling the jewels at rock bottom prices. Like Browne and the British gold. All future EU manufacturing will be weighted against auctioned carbon credits. 7% of prime carbon credit land (theoretical quality of land is all that is important) will provide HW of a way of paying for pensions for generations to come.

People don't realise this, but if Ireland held that land and leased year on year those credits to the highest bidder and holding a commission on all derivatives from that land we would be about to pay off the national debt just using coillte land.

Unbelievable how shocking this is.

Fianna Fail, led by Bertie Ahern, sold this country's soul to developers & bankers, sold our natural gas reserves off for tuppence, led us into the mess which sold us up the fucking swanny to the IMF & lost us our economic sovereignty.

Then, just as it comes to light, that there may be a glimmer of light on the horizon, he pulls the fucking rug from under our feet & runs away with the last bit of land that's worth anything to us - a piece of land that could get us out of debt & set us back up nicely for generations to come.

Bertie Ahern is is a thief, a lier and a corrupt, evil cunt who has fucked up this nation worse than anyone could ever possibly conceive that one man could do.

I used to think Charlie Haughey was bad. But Haughey looks like a complete, bumbling fucking amateur compared to Ahern.

Tahuti

There's a petition here if anybody wants to sign it.

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/2/help-save-irelands-forests/

Pass it on to all your friends.

Misty Chaos

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I really don't know what to think of this. Revolting to say the least.

ilovesleep

brianthebard wrote: »

In Britain people are burning effigies of westminster over the possibility of their forests being sold, but nobody even ****ing knows what's happening here.

This is a country I do not want to be part of any more. Im living in a horrible society. People are all too happy to roll around in exploitation and put up with abuse.

Its reported over in politics.ie that things are much worse then they are and there will be a budget in may. People will only protest when their pockets are empty. It just goes to show what kind of a greedy society we are living in. Starbelgrade wrote a great post. We have all the reasons in the world to protest but it wont ever happen - like a protest to get fcukface ahern locked up.

Jesus, I'm glad I'm insulated from this BS from the next while. It's not even surprising, the country will be wrecked for decades with this sort of backstabbing.

ilovesleep

starbelgrade wrote: »

The death penalty can never be re-introduced back into Ireland as it was essentially written out of the Constitution in 2002 with the Twenty-First Amendment.

The Twenty-first Amendment was introduced by the Fianna Fáil–Progressive Democrats coalition government of Bertie Ahern.

Bertie Ahern is also the chairman of the Swiss owned company who are trying (or have already?) bought out Coillte.

Now considering the absolute treason this man has committed against our country, you would be forgiven for thinking that the Amendment to the Constitution & his actions were in some way related.

Could we get it back with a referendum?

Coriolanus

Even if the deal is done why can't it just be taken back with a cpo?

ilovesleep

Nevore wrote: »

Even if the deal is done why can't it just be taken back with a cpo?

Bertie Ahern is Irelands God. Dont you ever forget that. Unfortunately society would love to be abused and walked all over by this cnut before they would see him hanged or locked up.

To everybody not tied down here, who are free - emigrate and leave this ignorant greedy society to live with the abuse. Dont know why im here trying to get justice. Played no part in taking down this economy nor am i going to play any part in building it up again. will be gone before the summer. To everyone left behind - you deserve all the abuse - hope theres more for ye.

Johnny Bitte

Ah sure isnt right to play the system *puke*

If, now I m stressing IF someone was to dispose of such a man before he's natural expiry date would it be considered an act of patriotism??

I'll always remember my Da singing he's praises, how he was a regular guy doin he's best and fair play to him for getting what he can!! Then FF took a slice from he's wages and now he's pension. Has been very quiet since.

Bertie is the Devil and we, my good people are heading straight to hell in this country.

Voodoo_rasher

ilovesleep wrote: »

Bertie Ahern is Irelands God. Dont you ever forget that. Unfortunately society would love to be abused and walked all over by this cnut before they would see him hanged or locked up.

To everybody not tied down here, who are free - emigrate and leave this ignorant greedy society to live with the abuse. Dont know why im here trying to get justice. Played no part in taking down this economy nor am i going to play any part in building it up again. will be gone before the summer. To everyone left behind - you deserve all the abuse - hope theres more for ye.

Ahern is Ireland's A n ti-ch r i s t rather, don't u think?
myself, have obligations tying me to this place...dont want to bring up little VR's in this country. Yes its ignorant in that RTE, print media are intellectually castrating it. who wrote Ireland is the farrow (female swine) that eats its own young?

LETHAL LADY

ilovesleep wrote: »

Bertie Ahern is Irelands God. Dont you ever forget that. Unfortunately society would love to be abused and walked all over by this cnut before they would see him hanged or locked up.

To everybody not tied down here, who are free - emigrate and leave this ignorant greedy society to live with the abuse. Dont know why im here trying to get justice. Played no part in taking down this economy nor am i going to play any part in building it up again. will be gone before the summer. To everyone left behind - you deserve all the abuse - hope theres more for ye.

Bertie Ahern is certainly not my God. Im sorry but you think every man, woman and child of this country deserves more abuse than has already been imposed on them. Not a very caring attitude towards your fellow Irish citizens perhaps it is best you emigrate.

ilovesleep

LETHAL LADY wrote: »

Bertie Ahern is certainly not my God. Im sorry but you think every man, woman and child of this country deserves more abuse than has already been imposed on them. Not a very caring attitude towards your fellow Irish citizens perhaps it is best you emigrate.

Bertie Ahern - Irelands God he is. Society treats him like a god. Why hasn't there been one protest against this man and his wrong doings to get him locked up.

I can bet my soul there is more abuse and revelations on the way because society has allowed it and will allow it.

The Irish - ignorant, greedy, lazy, mean society.
Never in my have I been so ashamed to be irish, and to be let down so much. How people are happy to do nothing about the abuse from our ex overlords and roll around in it all. Not 1 protest

Gummy Panda

ilovesleep wrote: »

The Irish - ignorant, greedy, lazy, mean society.
Never in my have I been so ashamed to be irish, and to be let down so much. How people are happy to do nothing about the abuse from our ex overlords and roll around in it all. Not 1 protest

Well you go and organise a protest.

Donal Og O Baelach

So, er... whats the craic here?

brianthebard

ilovesleep wrote: »

This is a country I do not want to be part of any more. Im living in a horrible society. People are all too happy to roll around in exploitation and put up with abuse.

Its reported over in politics.ie that things are much worse then they are and there will be a budget in may. People will only protest when their pockets are empty. It just goes to show what kind of a greedy society we are living in. Starbelgrade wrote a great post. We have all the reasons in the world to protest but it wont ever happen - like a protest to get fcukface ahern locked up.

I thought it was expected that there would be a budget by the new govt asap, if only to raise the vat rate so they can send people running for the border again. :rolleyes: People don't know what they've voted for...

I wonder is it a hangover from the troubles and earlier violence that people are unwilling to protest, or is it something more ingrained or even just laziness? But I find it hard to believe laziness can equally affect up to 4m people at once.

ilovesleep wrote: »

Could we get it back with a referendum?

imo If the right government came to power (ie not the 3 main parties, let you guess who that would leave) they might attempt to nationalise it, but that would have pretty severe consequences for the state. It could be bought back at a massively increased price, or it could be stopped now in the courts perhaps. Don't think any of those three options are particularly likely though.

LETHAL LADY

ilovesleep wrote: »

Bertie Ahern - Irelands God he is. Society treats him like a god. Why hasn't there been one protest against this man and his wrong doings to get him locked up.

I can bet my soul there is more abuse and revelations on the way because society has allowed it and will allow it.

The Irish - ignorant, greedy, lazy, mean society.
Never in my have I been so ashamed to be irish, and to be let down so much. How people are happy to do nothing about the abuse from our ex overlords and roll around in it all. Not 1 protest

Deleted my post because you edited yours adding more hateful comments towards your fellow citizens. Come on everyone thinks Bertie is a Cnut blaming it on Irish society as a whole is a little unfair.

Thread = TL:DR

and a link to Pol.ie? why?

Crazy political posters are crazy. And unwelcome. Unless they're funny.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUe_Pi8NfT4

david75

Thread = TLR

Exactly why our country is in the sh!tter. Nobody taking an interest and letting it all go to sh!t around them.

david75

david75 wrote: »

Exactly why our country is in the sh!tter. Nobody taking an interest and letting it all go to sh!t around them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpSfThUv_pc

Wah.

Take it to Soc -> Politics.

squod

Politics doesn't cover it. This is not a political discussion. You are being robbed. You may not care now but it does and will effect your life. SS these people a dipping your pocket for the money you have worked for and taking away the rights you were born with.

There's meant to be a ''triple lock'' on our leaders. The Dail, Senate and courts system would all have to fail you in order for this kind of thing to happen. They have.

squod

squod wrote: »

There's meant to be a ''triple lock'' on our leaders. The Dail, Senate and courts system would all have to fail you in order for this kind of thing to happen. They have.

Dail, Senate and courts system

Taxes

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ticks

Wah.

To Politics with you.

phasers

SeaSlacker, wtf? are you drunk? Just leave the thread if you don't like what's being discussed!

How did this work? Wouldn't something like this have to be voted on in the Dáil? This country is bizarre, politicians seem incapable of thinking ahead.

SafeSurfer

Any chance of getting a credible link confirming the sale of Coilte before the hysterics take over?

Voodoo_rasher

brianthebard wrote: »

I wonder is it a hangover from the troubles and earlier violence that people are unwilling to protest, or is it something more ingrained or even just laziness? But I find it hard to believe laziness can equally affect up to 4m people at once.

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people are not properly informed so they are not to know otherwise. and if
u use the deadening State-controlled rte news to inform yourself , good luck. 'Cos you probably cannot grasp other things like `what is the Croke Park agreement', ' how has decentralisation been an ill-advised measure'.

in my opinion rte, the Public Dis-service Broadcaster has an agenda to keep the population dumb And ignorant ..European tv networks knew the banks bail-out price tag to be €90bn long before irish ppl did.
In the last number of years i do what i can to read foreign publications; unfortunately you learn more looking in from the outside it seems. Irish need to read guardian, telegraph, london indo, ft, sorry.

Sticky_Fingers

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Any chance of getting a credible link confirming the sale of Coilte before the hysterics take over?

Yeah, I'm confused whether or not this sale has actually gone through or are they still negotiating? It strikes me as strange that it hasn't been covered by RTE since this is a pretty big deal, I wonder will we the plebs be only informed just after the ink is dry when there is little we can do about it?

SafeSurfer

Sticky_Fingers wrote: »

Yeah, I'm confused whether or not this sale has actually gone through or are they still negotiating? It strikes me as strange that it hasn't been covered by RTE since this is a pretty big deal, I wonder will we the plebs be only informed just after the ink is dry when there is little we can do about it?

Coilte has not been sold. This js just another Troll Thread.

Coriolanus

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Coilte has not been sold. This js just another Troll Thread.

That's just what The Man wants you to think, uh... man! :rolleyes:

Sooo that makes it what now?

Bank runs,

then economy,

then FF,

then religion,

then the irish language,

now coillte,

Am I the only one here seeig a pattern of people who erroniously think After Hours is a place for serious debate?

Voodoo_rasher

Voodoo_rasher wrote: »

http://www.politics.ie/environment/144127-lets-keep-eye-coillte-15.html

(again)

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Coilte has not been sold. This js just another Troll Thread.

contained within the link; maybe then you'll give it more credence.

Alternatively, the risk of it happening is clear and present..