Prince Naseem & Amir Khan

sxt

Would be curious to know other peoples opinions on Amir Kahn & Prince Naseem? in terms of their promotion and ability and career path? How would you compare the two?

BoxingIrel.com

The only similarities between the two is that they are both British and Muslims and boxers.

The similarities end there.

rocco.

British hype jobs

Clearly not club fighters but not pound for pound ..

Spazdarn

Khan's size and speed will mean he amounts to an awful lot more than Naz.

Another few similarities would be their cocky persona's and frankly terrible group behind them. Load of hangers on, feeding the egos and making money off it.

JacksonHeightsOwn

if Naz hadnt of let his ego take over, he'd have retired unbeaten

an amazing boxer, hard to hit, and had one of the most devastating punches his weight division has ever, or will ever see.

Khan, he'll win more titles, perhaos at other weight limits to, but he's no Naz

walshb

chrisbonnie wrote: »

if Naz hadnt of let his ego take over, he'd have retired unbeaten

an amazing boxer, hard to hit, and had one of the most devastating punches his weight division has ever, or will ever see.

Khan, he'll win more titles, perhaos at other weight limits to, but he's no Naz

You are right, he is no Naz. He's a far more skilled fighter, an actual boxer, not a poser.

And, EGO had ZERO to do with Naz getting dominated by MAB; it was down to a better and more skilled fighter exposing the Prince.

I go thru Naz's opponents and fail to see any great names.
Even a past it bantam, McCullough, gave him problems.

themandan6611

khan could become a great - he has the talent, potential and is more level headed.

Naz was a di***** who had some serious issues going on - he was wild and lacked class.

The only thing they had in common was their chin - although Khan's seems to have gotten stronger

Spazdarn

Naz's style while great to watch was always going to be found out against someone of worth...

nacho libre

"Who is your daddy now"

In fairness Naz had it coming.

celtictiger32

themandan6611 wrote: »

khan could become a great - he has the talent, potential and is more level headed.

Naz was a di***** who had some serious issues going on - he was wild and lacked class.

The only thing they had in common was their chin - although Khan's seems to have gotten stronger

we'll find out on april 16th

walshb

celtictiger32 wrote: »

we'll find out on april 16th

It's Paul's test on April 16th, not Khan's.

celtictiger32

walshb wrote: »

It's Paul's test on April 16th, not Khan's.

a bit of both dont you think????

sorry guys for getting off the point

walshb

celtictiger32 wrote: »

a bit of both dont you think????

sorry guys for getting off the point

You're right, 90-10 (Paul-Amir):)

celtictiger32

walshb wrote: »

You're right, 90-10 (Paul-Amir):)

ha ha ah we wont get into it here we might upset someone lol. we have a few good nights of boxing coming up either way lets hope the irish boys do us proud and come away with a few belts at the end of it.;)

Michael 09

Khan is u much better fighter... Did anyone read the piece on him in mens health a couple of months ago? Very impressive

section4

themandan6611 wrote: »

khan could become a great - he has the talent, potential and is more level headed.

Naz was a di***** who had some serious issues going on - he was wild and lacked class.

The only thing they had in common was their chin - although Khan's seems to have gotten stronger

their chin, the only thing in common about their chins is they both have one but naz's chin was at least average if not a bit better and khan's is weak

naz was a much stronger fighter at his weight than khan is, and yes naz was well matched and protected and i knew he would come unstuck just like barry mcguigan and lloyd honeyghan and many more protected fighters

if they were the same weight my money would be on naz, i mean khan struggled against domestic british fighters on the way up and while he is fit and fresh he is an accident waiting to happen and he will be found out, oh sorry he already has

walshb

section4 wrote: »

their chin, the only thing in common about their chins is they both have one but naz's chin was at least average if not a bit better and khan's is weak

naz was a much stronger fighter at his weight than khan is, and yes naz was well matched and protected and i knew he would come unstuck just like barry mcguigan and lloyd honeyghan and many more protected fighters

if they were the same weight my money would be on naz, i mean khan struggled against domestic british fighters on the way up and while he is fit and fresh he is an accident waiting to happen and he will be found out, oh sorry he already has

In a boxing match, p4p, Naz would get wiped by Khan. Khan is far too polished a fighter. Naz's Only chance, a lucky punch. Naz is not a great boxer.
He never even possessed a jab for chrissake.

Anyway, they are different weights. But, as far as boxing goes, Khan
is streets ahead.

Funny, because Khan is meeting Paul, whose style is
not all that dissimilar to Naz. Watch what happens.

MOLLY1000

I am new to Boards.ie, how do I create or put up a new post

sxt

I think a prime Naz would have beaten Khan easy...I think Khan would have been at a pyschological disadvantage before he even entered the ring with someone like Naz . I think Naz was a great fighter who never ducked anyone and fought everyone in front of him with supreme confidence. He didn't train hard for the barrerra fight and that was obvious, he could have been a legend in boxing

walshb

sxt wrote: »

I think a prime Naz would have beaten Khan easy...I think Khan would have been at a pyschological disadvantage before he even entered the ring with someone like Naz . I think Naz was a great fighter who never ducked anyone and fought everyone in front of him with supreme confidence. He didn't train hard for the barrerra fight and that was obvious, he could have been a legend in boxing

Prime Naz 5 feet 3/4 and a feather. Khan is a LWW, and 5 feet 9. I very much doubt he gets near Khan. Easy win for Khan.
Naz fought everyone in front of him, true, and most of them were cans.

themandan6611

ah lads there is no way naz will match what khan leaves behind in terms of legacy.

Khan is so young, will keep developing and importantly his ring skills will get better and better. He had the ringmanship to survive last time out - the early rounds his speed and power were unreal.

Naz never beat a great - i fancy Khan to either beat one or two or to be one by the time he retires.

SEVERA

i would much prefer to see naz fight than khan, but i would like to hit naz more too , ingle did a good job with a cocky arab but mab the mexican was far too good naz was never a proper boxer like khan but khan will never be top of the pile.

sxt

walshb wrote: »

Prime Naz 5 feet 3/4 and a feather. Khan is a LWW, and 5 feet 9. I very much doubt he gets near Khan. Easy win for Khan.
Naz fought everyone in front of him, true, and most of them were cans.

Naz fought the best fighters in front of him, he never ducked anyone like Khan ducked fighters like the coward he is
Khan is living on hype!

sxt

walshb wrote: »

Prime Naz 5 feet 3/4 and a feather. Khan is a LWW, and 5 feet 9. I very much doubt he gets near Khan. Easy win for Khan.
Naz fought everyone in front of him, true, and most of them were cans.

Naz fought the best fighters in front of him, he never ducked anyone like Khan ducked ...

Khan is kindof living on hype!

Spazdarn

Naz fought nothing but cans, the only time he stepped up, Barrera horsed him. Khan will go on to fight and beat much better opponents.

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walshb wrote: »

In a boxing match, p4p, Naz would get wiped by Khan. Khan is far too polished a fighter. Naz's Only chance, a lucky punch. Naz is not a great boxer.
He never even possessed a jab for chrissake.

Anyway, they are different weights. But, as far as boxing goes, Khan
is streets ahead.

Funny, because Khan is meeting Paul, whose style is
not all that dissimilar to Naz. Watch what happens.

khan is not a polished boxer, he is a very nervous boxer, his movemnet is not smooth it is very jerky and erratic, he is fast, fir and fresh, but not that intelligent and panics when in trouble has a serious chin/head problem.
Naz was a polished move if not a good technnical boxerr, had very good timing, and a confident boxer not nervous, muich better chin than khan and much better punch.
khan punch would not hurt naz and naz would know that and box confidently and confidence makes you relax and box better.
naz punch would defenitly hurt khan big time and khan would know this and be his usual nervous sense with his jerky moving style and because he would be nervous it would only be a matter of time before naz nailed him and knowcked him out,
the fact of the matter is if willie limond, michael gomez etc can hurt him at domestic level naz would have flattened him.

naz to win easy, khan is an overptotected hype merchant who when he was hit on the chin has, flailed al around the place, staggered, and been knocked clean out, when he was hit cleanly on the chin, and thats a fact, knocked clean out, and if naz hit him with the same shot he would be knocked clean out

section4

themandan6611 wrote: »

ah lads there is no way naz will match what khan leaves behind in terms of legacy.

Khan is so young, will keep developing and importantly his ring skills will get better and better. He had the ringmanship to survive last time out - the early rounds his speed and power were unreal.

Naz never beat a great - i fancy Khan to either beat one or two or to be one by the time he retires.

naz never beat a great thats right and neither will khan if he ever fights one, but naz was much better than khan, khan has been knock CLEAN OUT, people seem to be forgetting this, and prescott was not or ever will be a great.
khan managed to evade ost of maidana shots during the fight but in the 10 round he was almost stopped. when khan fights some one who is able to connect even on a normal basis and can match khan punch for punch he will be beaten because he cannot exchange punches when he gets hit a few times he panics and gets confused

Spazdarn

Almost knocked out isn't knocked out. Floyd nearly got knocked out by Mosley but that ended pretty convincingly.

Khan is not more polished in fact I think he's fairly raw, his defense needs work... but he's got the right trainer. Where he excels is his physique, he's got the physical attributes and speed to beat Bradley and a lot of the guys in welterweight when he jumps up in weight.

Naz did a lot of hoping around and ****ing around, he learned very quickly that he wouldn't get away with that with Barrera... I thought Naz had a decent chin, he'd need to have one the way he hopped and bounced into digs.

No defense at all against anyone of worth...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZeUs7r1nFo4

walshb

section4 wrote: »

khan is not a polished boxer, he is a very nervous boxer, his movemnet is not smooth it is very jerky and erratic, he is fast, fir and fresh, but not that intelligent and panics when in trouble has a serious chin/head problem.
Naz was a polished move if not a good technnical boxerr, had very good timing, and a confident boxer not nervous, muich better chin than khan and much better punch.
khan punch would not hurt naz and naz would know that and box confidently and confidence makes you relax and box better.
naz punch would defenitly hurt khan big time and khan would know this and be his usual nervous sense with his jerky moving style and because he would be nervous it would only be a matter of time before naz nailed him and knowcked him out,
the fact of the matter is if willie limond, michael gomez etc can hurt him at domestic level naz would have flattened him.

naz to win easy, khan is an overptotected hype merchant who when he was hit on the chin has, flailed al around the place, staggered, and been knocked clean out, when he was hit cleanly on the chin, and thats a fact, knocked clean out, and if naz hit him with the same shot he would be knocked clean out

I see your points regarding Khan's smoothness, or lack thereof. But, he is one hell of a speedster, and I think extremely difficult to out-box. You need power, speed and some sort of jab to penetrate Khan. Yes, Prescott did the trick, but Khan was 21, and has matured since then, and is at a far more comfortable weight. But, he is far from the finished article, I agree.

Naz would never flatten him. They aren't even close in weight. Check out the majority of Naseem's opponents. Dreadful. Serioulsy, apart from MAB, who, WHEN Naz fought them, was great? MAB didn't get out of third gear and still won comfortably. Because, Naseems' style couldn't work on a good boxer with skills.

Naseem's defence is something folks go on about, but in reality, it wasn't great because it relied too much on reflexes. You can get away with that against bums, but against top class boxers, he was hit a lot.

celtictiger32

walshy im beginning to think your the chairman of the amir khan fan club

raven136

for all the talk of his weak chin did Naz not go to a decision with MAB?

walshb

raven136 wrote: »

for all the talk of his weak chin did Naz not go to a decision with MAB?

Yes, 12 rds, and funny, it was this fight, a loss, that proved one thing, Naz was a tough little man. Took his beating well. I credit him there. As for boxing, no, never rated him highly.

walshb

celtictiger32 wrote: »

walshy im beginning to think your the chairman of the amir khan fan club

I don't see how me thinking Khan could beat Naz makes me such a huge fan?:)

Anyway, anyone who has read my posts on Khan will see I am a fan.

BUT, I still am well aware that he is not the finished article. He has still to prove greatness. So, yes, great talent, great boxer, but there is more to greatness than skill. The debate on Khan goes on. Nothing I have said about him is inaccurate. He is very skilled, but still
suspect in chin and experience. That may all improve with time, maturity and confidence.

celtictiger32

walshb wrote: »

I don't see how me thinking Khan could beat Naz makes me such a huge fan?:)

Anyway, anyone who has read my posts on Khan will see I am a fan.

BUT, I still am well aware that he is not the finished article. He has still to prove greatness. So, yes, great talent, great boxer, but there is more to greatness than skill. The debate on Khan goes on. Nothing I have said about him is inaccurate. He is very skilled, but still
suspect in chin and experience. That may all improve with time, maturity and confidence.

i know i have done thats why i said it lol.

experience will obviously improve him but im of the impression that once a supect chin always a suspect chin i dont think theres a lot you can do to change that

walshb

celtictiger32 wrote: »

i know i have done thats why i said it lol.

experience will obviously improve him but im of the impression that once a supect chin always a suspect chin i dont think theres a lot you can do to change that

Will always debate this.

Chin is one thing, but it has been proven, weight gained and added efficiently can help a fighter absorb a shot that bit better.

Look at the young Clay who was badly hurt everal times when lighter AND younger...When he matured, gained that extra weight, he definitely absorbed a shot better

celtictiger32

i agree that you can always learn to absorb punches better chin or otherwise, but if you have a glass chin it will always be there -alas the downfall of poor bernard-

Fall_Guy

celtictiger32 wrote: »

i know i have done thats why i said it lol.

experience will obviously improve him but im of the impression that once a supect chin always a suspect chin i dont think theres a lot you can do to change that

I don't know how you can say that after the Maidana fight. Yes, he was rocked badly in the 10th (maybe the 9th, can't remember off-hand) but one of the supposedly lb for lb heaviest hitters caught him cleanly numerous times and couldn't put him down. He's not going to turn into Antonio Margarito but his capacity to take a shot has clearly already improved greatly since his early fights.

celtictiger32

Fall_Guy wrote: »

I don't know how you can say that after the Maidana fight. Yes, he was rocked badly in the 10th (maybe the 9th, can't remember off-hand) but one of the supposedly lb for lb heaviest hitters caught him cleanly numerous times and couldn't put him down. He's not going to turn into Antonio Margarito but his capacity to take a shot has clearly already improved greatly since his early fights.

i disagree, firstly SUPPOSEDLY being the operative word for maidana. and secondly as was said previously you can learn to absorb shots better but the underlying problem of a glass chin will always be there as far as im concerned. when i fought a few friends had this problem and coudnt remedy it they did learn to absorb in sparring etc but when in competition and caught clean it was same old

Jayob10

Naz had fantastic talent, he basically had alot of success by not even applying himself in the gym. With a proper trainer and more dedication he could have been one of the best British fighters of all time.

He coasted on his natural talent, but he was found wanting at elite level where he needed a more all round skillset.

Tremendous power, combinations and ability to punch from all angles. He had attributes you cannot teach (with the exception of a naturally strong work ethic) and its a shame he didn't find it within himself to sort of workable things like adequate defence and the like.

Fall_Guy

celtictiger32 wrote: »

i disagree, firstly SUPPOSEDLY being the operative word for maidana. and secondly as was said previously you can learn to absorb shots better but the underlying problem of a glass chin will always be there as far as im concerned. when i fought a few friends had this problem and coudnt remedy it they did learn to absorb in sparring etc but when in competition and caught clean it was same old

To be fair Kahn was in competition recently. Pretty stiff competition. And he was caught clean. And it wasn't the same old. Now I'm not going to say he suddenly has a granite chin but he shipped some very heavy shots and held on. Of course he could still come unstuck in the future and get sparked out by someone (this happens to people with supposedly good chins on occasion too, by the way), but after the Maidana showing I won't be expecting him to get knocked out by any half-decent banger he faces, like I did before.

section4

Fall_Guy wrote: »

To be fair Kahn was in competition recently. Pretty stiff competition. And he was caught clean. And it wasn't the same old. Now I'm not going to say he suddenly has a granite chin but he shipped some very heavy shots and held on. Of course he could still come unstuck in the future and get sparked out by someone (this happens to people with supposedly good chins on occasion too, by the way), but after the Maidana showing I won't be expecting him to get knocked out by any half-decent banger he faces, like I did before.

maidana is a good puncher but not a good boxer, he caught khan a few but in reliity over the 12 rounds he may have caught him maybe 5 real good shots, maidana simply did not have the boxing skill to catch khan who ran all night.
khans problem is that you dont have to be a good puncher to hurt him, all you have to do is catch him clean on the head consistently, and i emphasive not even the chin anywhere on the head. now when he fights some one who can catch him cleanly on the chin even 5 or 6 times a round with average strength shots he is going to be in trouble, and thats where maidan fell down he could not catch him. i think he will have trouble with bradley if bradley sits back and counters him because bradley is very fit, very strong and very focussed and he is still hungry, if he sits back and just counters when khan attacks then he will catch khan consistently and hurt him and when khan gets hurt he panics and gets very ragged. i think bradley can hurt khan more than khan can hurt bradley and i think bradley is a tougher man.
i dont think paul mcloskey has fought enough fights at this level yet and cant see him winning, but he does have a very frustrating style and there is always the chance he could catch khan with a shot and cause an upset but being objective khan should win, mcloskey is not tested at this level.

eagle eye

I agree that Naz was a fantastic talent. The downturn in his career coincided with his split from Brendan Ingle. We'll never know now whether that would have made a difference but I really do feel he would have at least given Barrera a better fight.

Personally I believe that Hamed would ko Khan inside two rounds. Khan is an embarrassment as a champion, he should never have gotten a title shot when he did. I notice he still hasn't gone back to avenge the defeat to Breidis Prescott. Thats because his jaw is made of glass and Prescott would do the very same thing to him again.

Jayob10

eagle eye wrote: »

I agree that Naz was a fantastic talent. The downturn in his career coincided with his split from Brendan Ingle. We'll never know now whether that would have made a difference but I really do feel he would have at least given Barrera a better fight.

Personally I believe that Hamed would ko Khan inside two rounds. Khan is an embarrassment as a champion, he should never have gotten a title shot when he did. I notice he still hasn't gone back to avenge the defeat to Breidis Prescott. Thats because his jaw is made of glass and Prescott would do the very same thing to him again.

Hamed peaked at Super feather

Khan is a big light welter. Hamed certainly doesn't KO Khan.

walshb

eagle eye wrote: »

I agree that Naz was a fantastic talent. The downturn in his career coincided with his split from Brendan Ingle. We'll never know now whether that would have made a difference but I really do feel he would have at least given Barrera a better fight.

Personally I believe that Hamed would ko Khan inside two rounds. Khan is an embarrassment as a champion, he should never have gotten a title shot when he did. I notice he still hasn't gone back to avenge the defeat to Breidis Prescott. Thats because his jaw is made of glass and Prescott would do the very same thing to him again.

It's been said already. Khan is a JWW with a 5-6 inch height advantage and now Hamed beats him?

Hamed couldn't KO other men who were feathers; he couldnt KO Wayne, who depsite his chin, is still only a ****ing bantam.

Hamed doesn't get near Khan. He takes a hiding when trying and would be stopped. Hamed is a feather at best.

Maybe you missed it, but MAB showed what a skilled fighter can do to Hamed. He schooled him. And no, Ingle makes no difference there.

Hamed simply met a better fighter, one who could box well and dictate.

Who did Hamed beat that was really great? I wouldn't take him to beat any of the past great feathers, and now he KOs a JWW?

I could be off here, but I am betting that Maidana was a heavier hitter than the 126 lb Hamed.

eagle eye

I'd say you are off, I think Hamed was an extremely heavy hitter for a feather. He doesn't have to be a real banger to take out Khan anyways. Ingle makes a huge difference by the way imo. Just like D'amato and Kevin Rooney did to Tyson. I honestly reckon if Tyson had stayed with Rooney he would have been Champion for another 5 or 10 years.

colly10

eagle eye wrote: »

Khan is an embarrassment as a champion, he should never have gotten a title shot when he did. I notice he still hasn't gone back to avenge the defeat to Breidis Prescott. Thats because his jaw is made of glass and Prescott would do the very same thing to him again.

Will you still feel the same way if he beats Bradley and proves himself to be the number 1 LW. I think he beats Bradley well and if he does, there's noone left at the weight.
We all know he doesn't have a great chin but he was young and inexperienced when he lost to Prescott, he's not fighting Prescott because Prescott is a nobody.
I'm not the biggest fan of Khan but he doesn't deserve the hassle he gets. Everyone said he was afraid of Maidana, then they agreed the fight and everyone said he would get KO'd, he didn't and the names that people say will beat him at LW are getting fewer and fewer

eagle eye

colly10 wrote: »

Will you still feel the same way if he beats Bradley and proves himself to be the number 1 LW. I think he beats Bradley well and if he does, there's noone left at the weight.
We all know he doesn't have a great chin but he was young and inexperienced when he lost to Prescott, he's not fighting Prescott because Prescott is a nobody.
I'm not the biggest fan of Khan but he doesn't deserve the hassle he gets. Everyone said he was afraid of Maidana, then they agreed the fight and everyone said he would get KO'd, he didn't and the names that people say will beat him at LW are getting fewer and fewer

Who has Khan fought to this point in his career? A completely shot Barrerra, another guy thats done in Kotelnik, Malignaggi who couldn't hurt him and has been on the slide for some time too. On the surface Maidana looks like a decent win but it still doesn't take away the questions about his jaw.
He actually has a better chance against Bradley than those two because Bradley is not that powerful but I think Bradley is smarter and better than him.
To even suggest that he should be fighting Bradley now is too early. He won't beat Devon Alexander if he faces him but he will duck him because of his power. What about Urango, I don't think he can beat him either. He will duck those two though, you can be guaranteed of that.

Spazdarn

Maidana has an unreal ko rate and beat Ortiz who's decent enough, and Kotelnik beat Alexander who is one of the top guys in the division.

McCloskey is unbeaten and while I think he'll get beaten it's an interesting fight, and he has Bradley planned after that. They're competitive fights.

I don't think he's going to duck anyone in the division if he beats Bradley, because he'll probably move up to welterweight quickly to get a piece of the Manny/Floyd money before they retire.

colly10

eagle eye wrote: »

Who has Khan fought to this point in his career? A completely shot Barrerra, another guy thats done in Kotelnik, Malignaggi who couldn't hurt him and has been on the slide for some time too. On the surface Maidana looks like a decent win but it still doesn't take away the questions about his jaw.
He actually has a better chance against Bradley than those two because Bradley is not that powerful but I think Bradley is smarter and better than him.
To even suggest that he should be fighting Bradley now is too early. He won't beat Devon Alexander if he faces him but he will duck him because of his power. What about Urango, I don't think he can beat him either. He will duck those two though, you can be guaranteed of that.

You list out the rubbish that Khan has beaten and list Kotelnik, I felt Kotelnik beat Alexander (who you think is good enough to beat Khan so obviously Kotelnik's not all that bad).
Yes, he's bet rubbish but you can only beat the guys available. Really in the division there's only Bradley left (and that fight will happen this year).

As for Alexander, the guy is nothing but a hype job with no heart and I think that has been shown over his last 2 fights, i'm not really seeing this brutal knockout power he has either, there was certainly no venom in the shots he was hitting bradley with

Spazdarn

I didn't think Alexander was all that bad, there was only a round or two in it before he wimped out, and I thought he was making it difficult for Bradley from the middle rounds onwards... it's a shame he douched out of it like that...

Scanlas The 2nd

walshb wrote: »

Yes, 12 rds, and funny, it was this fight, a loss, that proved one thing, Naz was a tough little man. Took his beating well. I credit him there. As for boxing, no, never rated him highly.

How can you not rate him highly. Madness. He was a very talented boxer, just not as talented as the likes of Barrera.