we must halt Sinn Fein's all-Ireland project????????

caseyann

I am just wondering what is meant by this comment in the title?
This is the comment from DUP Peter Robinson.
We must halt Sinn Fein’s all-Ireland project
Both of Northern Ireland’s biggest political parties have claimed that Sinn Fein’s success |in the Irish general election will boost their performance in Stormont elections later this year.

Yesterday, DUP leader Peter Robinson mentioned it as he launched his candidates for the Assembly elections.

Mr Robinson conceded that Sinn Fein's Dail gains provided it with “limited opportunities for growth in Northern Ireland”, but added “there will also be a bounce for us because people will want to stop Gerry Adams in his tracks with his all-Ireland project”.

The casualties, they hope, will be the SDLP and UUP, who could suffer if voters drift to the two big parties.

Is this nothing more than Prejudice to Irish people all over Ireland and a wanting for Irish to lose grip up north politically.

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/politics/dups-peter-robinson-we-must-halt-sinn-feinrsquos-allireland-project-15099750.html

LordSutch

Oh NO, not another 'SINN FEIN' thread, yawn . . . . :rolleyes:

Iwasfrozen

caseyann wrote: »

I am just wondering what is meant by this comment in the title?
This is the comment from DUP Peter Robinson.
We must halt Sinn Fein’s all-Ireland project
Both of Northern Ireland’s biggest political parties have claimed that Sinn Fein’s success |in the Irish general election will boost their performance in Stormont elections later this year.

Yesterday, DUP leader Peter Robinson mentioned it as he launched his candidates for the Assembly elections.

Mr Robinson conceded that Sinn Fein's Dail gains provided it with “limited opportunities for growth in Northern Ireland”, but added “there will also be a bounce for us because people will want to stop Gerry Adams in his tracks with his all-Ireland project”.

The casualties, they hope, will be the SDLP and UUP, who could suffer if voters drift to the two big parties.

Is this nothing more than Prejudice to Irish people all over Ireland and a wanting for Irish to lose grip up north politically.

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/politics/dups-peter-robinson-we-must-halt-sinn-feinrsquos-allireland-project-15099750.html

The DUP is Sinn Feinn's strongest opponent in Northern Ireland. Hardly surprising if they want to prevent them from getting more power.

Bottle_of_Smoke

There's an election coming up in the north.

It would seem DUP are positioning themselves as the only party to stop Sinn Fein. Thís is nothing new, they did it last time and at the Euro/General elections.

Now that SF have done well in the south they're using it to get unionists to vote for them instead of TUV/UUP/UKIP etc

caseyann

Bottle_of_Smoke wrote: »

There's an election coming up in the north.

It would seem DUP are positioning themselves as the only party to stop Sinn Fein. Thís is nothing new, they did it last time and at the Euro/General elections.

Now that SF have done well in the south they're using it to get unionists to vote for them instead of TUV/UUP/UKIP etc

Smells of fear to me

Fratton Fred

caseyann wrote: »

I am just wondering what is meant by this comment in the title?
This is the comment from DUP Peter Robinson.
We must halt Sinn Fein’s all-Ireland project
Both of Northern Ireland’s biggest political parties have claimed that Sinn Fein’s success |in the Irish general election will boost their performance in Stormont elections later this year.

Yesterday, DUP leader Peter Robinson mentioned it as he launched his candidates for the Assembly elections.

Mr Robinson conceded that Sinn Fein's Dail gains provided it with “limited opportunities for growth in Northern Ireland”, but added “there will also be a bounce for us because people will want to stop Gerry Adams in his tracks with his all-Ireland project”.

The casualties, they hope, will be the SDLP and UUP, who could suffer if voters drift to the two big parties.

Is this nothing more than Prejudice to Irish people all over Ireland and a wanting for Irish to lose grip up north politically.

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/politics/dups-peter-robinson-we-must-halt-sinn-feinrsquos-allireland-project-15099750.html

This sounds a bit like the old "if you hate sinn fein you are anti Irish/west brit/traitor/insert other insult for having no arguement rhetoric.

One major political leader is issuing a rallying call to help prevent their main rival gaining seats, that's all.

murf313

LordSutch wrote: »

Oh NO, not another 'SINN FEIN' thread, yawn . . . . :rolleyes:

If you have nothing constructive to post why bother? We are well aware you are anti-sinn fein at this stage...:rolleyes:

It would seem that the DUP want to panic unionists into voting for them to prevent sinn fein doing better than them.

Notorious97

Fratton Fred wrote: »

This sounds a bit like the old "if you hate sinn fein you are anti Irish/west brit/traitor/insert other insult for having no arguement rhetoric.

One major political leader is issuing a rallying call to help prevent their main rival gaining seats, that's all.

True it could be considered as rival parties fighting for seats and more control, but if we look at the context of this election, the unionists will be worrying they will lose seats to SF, and if SF continue to make gains on both sides of the border they are probably afraid of becoming irrelevant to the overall picture of a united Ireland.

Saying that though it is still a long way off, SF are making good gains in the Republic true, but they are a long way off unfortunately from being in a position to lead a government in the 26 counties, they have to prove they can build on their success in this GE by gaining more in the next GE in a few years.

I don’t know if his comments on halting SF will help any situation though to be honest, i don’t think either party should be making comments in an attempt to cause a stir.

Fratton Fred

Notorious97 wrote: »

I don’t know if his comments on halting SF will help any situation though to be honest, i don’t think either party should be making comments in an attempt to cause a stir.

It's northern politics though. Most things are said to cause a stir.

alan85

I think the 'stop the all-Ireland project' is more 'stop them getting First Minister title' more like... It's the unionist's worst nightmare (or more immediate one anyways)...

Iwasfrozen

alan85 wrote: »

I think the 'stop the all-Ireland project' is more 'stop them getting First Minister title' more like... It's the unionist's worst nightmare (or more immediate one anyways)...

Why? First minister has no extra powers.

Bottle_of_Smoke

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Why? First minister has no extra powers.

Its the symbolism of an IRA man being the leader of the state. A poll was done about a year ago on all unionist MLAs on whether they'd stay in the assembly under a SF first minister. Out of the ones who gave an answer not a single one said they would serve under a SF FM.

Of course many of these were in the same DUP who claimed as recently as 2007 would never share power with Sinn Fein, so reality is they will go along with it. They just don't want to.

alan85

I say if it came to it they'd make the two positions equal and create a second 'First Minister' title which makes sense to be honest...

pragmatic1

caseyann wrote: »

Smells of fear to me

They've got the fear. The minority isnt looking as small as it once was.

PatsytheNazi

caseyann wrote: »

Smells of fear to me

As my grandfather used to say, the louder they beat their drums the more scared their getting.

Einhard

caseyann wrote: »

I am just wondering what is meant by this comment in the title?
This is the comment from DUP Peter Robinson.
We must halt Sinn Fein’s all-Ireland project.l

I might be going out on a limb here, but I think it might mean that Peter Robinson wants to stop Sinn Fein's all-Ireland project.

Bottle_of_Smoke

What's kind of interesting is Peter even using the term "all ireland project"

By doing so he is playing the Sinn Fein game that advancing themselves politically in the two jurisdictions will somehow bring a united Ireland any closer.

What needs to be realised is giving a vote to Sinn Fein does not equal giving a vote for a united Ireland.

You will find that people from a PUL background voting for Sinn Fein is down to Sinn Fein being more active for working class rights and benefits than the unionist parties.

So whilst Billy Unionist might vote for Sinn Fein/SDLP for their work in helping his community it does not for a second mean he will vote for a united Ireland.

alan85

So whilst Billy Unionist might vote for Sinn Fein/SDLP for their work in helping his community it does not for a second mean he will vote for a united Ireland.

True and that's why I think it's to shock the unionist vote out and make sure SF don't achieve First Minister title.

It doesn't matter that a vote for SF/SDLP might be from a unionist and not necessarily mean a vote for a united Ireland as there needs to be a referendum held to decide that issue. It will be a clear yes or no if ever it does happen...

RandomName2

caseyann wrote: »

Smells of fear to me

How would you like it if there was a pro-union (with the UK) party in the Dail that was making significant gains in Northern Ireland?

dlofnep

The DUP are running scared. That's the reality of the situation. I'm willing to hazard a guess that they would actually prefer for the IRA to be still engaged in an armed conflict, to keep Sinn Féin away from power-sharing. The last general elections saw a nationalist party gain the most votes in the north for the first time and it hit home hard with the DUP. If they had their way, there would be no power-sharing and a continued perpetuation of orange politics.

What they want to do now is to try and unite the unionist vote, to halt any progression with the nationalist population. But that's not going to cut the mustard, as evident by the last general election where unionist pacts simply weren't enough to withstand a standalone SF candidate.

I'd be scared if I was them too.

Cavehill Red

RandomName2 wrote: »

How would you like it if there was a pro-union (with the UK) party in the Dail that was making significant gains in Northern Ireland?

Shane Ross?

imme

dlofnep wrote: »

The DUP are running scared. That's the reality of the situation. I'm willing to hazard a guess that they would actually prefer for the IRA to be still engaged in an armed conflict, to keep Sinn Féin away from power-sharing. The last general elections saw a nationalist party gain the most votes in the north for the first time and it hit home hard with the DUP. If they had their way, there would be no power-sharing and a continued perpetuation of orange politics.

What they want to do now is to try and unite the unionist vote, to halt any progression with the nationalist population. But that's not going to cut the mustard, as evident by the last general election where unionist pacts simply weren't enough to withstand a standalone SF candidate.

I'd be scared if I was them too.

I don't think anyone in the North or anywhere, apart from some whackos want to see a return to the days of murder, terror, abductions, knee-cappings etc etc etc etc etc etc

The DUP is a political party, Robinson's statement was a political statement, he's a politician for goodness sake.:D

tbh

dlofnep wrote: »

The DUP are running scared. That's the reality of the situation. I'm willing to hazard a guess that they would actually prefer for the IRA to be still engaged in an armed conflict, to keep Sinn Féin away from power-sharing. .

could not agree more - 100% right. Makes you wonder where we'd be now if the 'RA had disarmed in the early 80s, eh?

Cavehill Red

tbh wrote: »

could not agree more - 100% right. Makes you wonder where we'd be now if the 'RA had disarmed in the early 80s, eh?

Or if the UWC strike had collapsed in 74.
Sunningdale for slow learners indeed.

dlofnep

imme wrote: »

I don't think anyone in the North or anywhere, apart from some whackos want to see a return to the days of murder, terror, abductions, knee-cappings etc etc etc etc etc etc

I'm not saying that aspire to see conflict for the sake of conflict, but that they would rather the conditions existed so that they would not have to share power with Sinn Féin. When there was conflict, they could keep the "taigs" in check through internment and force - But now that there is political progress, they are getting real scared.

alan85

As a republican and nationalist from Dublin I would rather see prosperity, peace, equality and fairness in NI under the UK jurisdiction rather than they join the Republic and see splinter organisations become violent and disruptive from the unionist side. The United Republic is an ideal in an ideal world but in the real world I think things operate differently... It will be interesting to see how it all pans out. Maybe a united Ireland would be best if and only if the unionists want it. If not then work at it under UK with proper fair institutions for both communities. I wonder would it ever work if a deal were made where the capital of Ireland were moved north perhaps to make the unionists feel that bit more centre of it all and create that 2nd republic that is being talked of...

deise go deo

I think this fear of Unionist splinter groups is unfounded, There will be some atempt at violence, no doubt, but several factors will be against them.

-Its already happened before, people know what violence is and they dont want to go back to it.
-they will have no justification, A 32 county Republic will only come about through the will of the majority in NI.
-Unionists were never as organised as the IRA, It would take them quite some time to build up the skill set to cause major damage.
-There would be no Border to run for or smuggle stuff across to fund their activities.
-They have much less support from abroad.
-The Irish DF's bread and butter is Peace Keeping, There would be no incidents like Bloody Sunday to spark popular support for them.


I very much doubt that they would ever be as active as the RIRA is now, never mind how active the PIRA was.

caseyann

Einhard wrote: »

I might be going out on a limb here, but I think it might mean that Peter Robinson wants to stop Sinn Fein's all-Ireland project.

Usual suspect

RandomName2 wrote: »

How would you like it if there was a pro-union (with the UK) party in the Dail that was making significant gains in Northern Ireland?

lmao wow thats a whole different story altogether,they robbed our land and murdered our people.
But i bet you would like that wouldnt you keep dreaming.

KeithAFC

I will probably vote DUP for the first time.

Iwasfrozen

caseyann wrote: »

lmao wow thats a whole different story altogether,they robbed our land and murdered our people.
But i bet you would like that wouldnt you keep dreaming.

Who's "them"? "They" have been dead for hundreds of years. Modern day unionists have not stolen anyones land or killed anyone.

Stop living in the past.

caseyann

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Who's "them"? "They" have been dead for hundreds of years. Modern day unionists have not stolen anyones land or killed anyone.

Stop living in the past.

you are ignored for a reason get a life

KeithAFC

dlofnep wrote: »

The DUP are running scared. That's the reality of the situation. I'm willing to hazard a guess that they would actually prefer for the IRA to be still engaged in an armed conflict, to keep Sinn Féin away from power-sharing. The last general elections saw a nationalist party gain the most votes in the north for the first time and it hit home hard with the DUP. If they had their way, there would be no power-sharing and a continued perpetuation of orange politics.

What they want to do now is to try and unite the unionist vote, to halt any progression with the nationalist population. But that's not going to cut the mustard, as evident by the last general election where unionist pacts simply weren't enough to withstand a standalone SF candidate.

I'd be scared if I was them too.

Look at the people who supported UUP and even TUV ffs. TUV got something like 7 thousand votes in North Antrim.

Iwasfrozen

caseyann wrote: »

you are ignored for a reason get a life

I'm on ignore? Why? Actually don't tell me, I don't want to know.

But you really do need to learn the difference between the actions of ones ancestors and the actions of oneself. Saying Unionists stole our land and killed our people is the same as blaming modern day Germans for the holocaust. It's just not on.

Actually I shouldn't even have bothered to write this since I'm on ignore.

KeithAFC

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

I'm on ignore? Why? Actually don't tell me, I don't want to know.

But you really do need to learn the difference between the actions of ones ancestors and the actions of oneself. Saying Unionists stole our land and killed our people is the same as blaming modern day Germans for the holocaust. It's just not on.

Actually I shouldn't even have bothered to write this since I'm on ignore.

I wonder if they still teach this in republican heartlands?

danbohan

KeithAFC wrote: »

I wonder if they still teach this in republican heartlands?

it does not really need to be taught , many in republican heartlands are very familiar with sectarian racism practiced by unionist/loyalists who like their south african brothers the afrikaners stopped when it was no longer sustainable to do so

Iwasfrozen

caseyann wrote: »

What constitutes stolen land is rightful land belongs to all of Ireland and not British monarchs.
I ignore you because you try to look for any reason to accuse people of saying things that has not been said.So run along and dont talk to me again ever.

Put words into your mouth? No sorry but I can't let that slide.

Here's what you said:

caseyann wrote: »

lmao wow thats a whole different story altogether,they robbed our land and murdered our people.
But i bet you would like that wouldnt you keep dreaming.

Here's what I said:

Iwasfrozen wrote:

Who's "them"? "They" have been dead for hundreds of years. Modern day unionists have not stolen anyones land or killed anyone.

Stop living in the past.

Nowhere did I put words into your mouth.

danbohan

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

I'm on ignore? Why? Actually don't tell me, I don't want to know.

But you really do need to learn the difference between the actions of ones ancestors and the actions of oneself. Saying Unionists stole our land and killed our people is the same as blaming modern day Germans for the holocaust. It's just not on.

Actually I shouldn't even have bothered to write this since I'm on ignore.

Saying Unionists stole our land and killed our people is the same as blaming modern day Germans for the holocaust. It's just not on.

really ? , even if its the truth

KeithAFC

danbohan wrote: »

it does not really need to be taught , many in republican heartlands are very familiar with sectarian racism practiced by unionist/loyalists who like their south african brothers the afrikaners stopped when it was no longer sustainable to do so

Oh dear lord.. :pac:

Is all i can say to that nonsense.

And also, the Scots and English which came over to Ulster, they weren't Unionists. Actually, the scots who became Ulster Scots fought the English.

caseyann

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Put words into your mouth? No sorry but I can't let that slide.

Here's what you said:


Here's what I said:

Nowhere did I put words into your mouth.

Yeah you did,but not going to tell you how.Because better things to do.
My answer was to someone else and the answer was the correct answer for the stupid question.

caseyann

danbohan wrote: »

it does not really need to be taught , many in republican heartlands are very familiar with sectarian racism practiced by unionist/loyalists who like their south african brothers the afrikaners stopped when it was no longer sustainable to do so

Shouting out stop the SF all Ireland project shouts to me prejudice to being apart of Ireland and Irish people.Therefore their hatred is still bubbling over underneath.
At least we dont mind them being apart of Ireland.

KeithAFC

caseyann wrote: »

Shouting out stop the SF all Ireland project shouts to me prejudice to being apart of Ireland and Irish people.Therefore their hatred is still bubbling over underneath.
At least we dont mind them being apart of Ireland.

They want more votes than SF. Shock horror.

caseyann

KeithAFC wrote: »

They want more votes than SF. Shock horror.

Why are they so worried shock horror :pac:
Says to me they are fearful with even British people saying give back the north lol and then 1 in every 4 unionist saying so far it will happen.
If they want to run a party in all Ireland in future,if they are good boys then they might even enjoy the vote of Irish Citizens aswell.And it will be all equal voting and no Irish catholic,ulster unionist etc... blah blah separation.

KeithAFC

caseyann wrote: »

Why are they so worried shock horror :pac:
Says to me they are fearful with even British people saying give back the north lol and then 1 in every 4 unionist saying so far it will happen.
If they want to run a party in all Ireland in future,if they are good boys then they might even enjoy the vote of Irish Citizens aswell.And it will be all equal voting and no Irish catholic,ulster unionist etc... blah blah separation.

There has been a lack of voting lately in the unionist community. Hopefully that will change soon. He is the leader of a major party and remember, he wants to get more votes than SF and the UUP.

caseyann

KeithAFC wrote: »

There has been a lack of voting lately in the unionist community. Hopefully that will change soon. He is the leader of a major party and remember, he wants to get more votes than SF and the UUP.

Why is there a lack of voting lately?

KeithAFC

caseyann wrote: »

Why is there a lack of voting lately?

A good number of reasons. TUV, UUP, a lack of trust in the DUP too and the work on the ground.

caseyann

KeithAFC wrote: »

A good number of reasons. TUV, UUP, a lack of trust in the DUP too and the work on the ground.

So kind of same thing as down here?
They only bother to get down with the people when they are being ignored like they ignore the people?Or when their power begins to demise then they start the promises.
Wouldnt blame them sounds like they need a change aswell good kick in the butts for them to then

slum dog

cool, if they dont want to serve under a sinn fein first minister we can include the ones who do in the dail

alan85

A good number of reasons. TUV, UUP, a lack of trust in the DUP too and the work on the ground.

Thanks for the idiots guide to unionism.

Ray Burkes Pension

Robinson is just after extra votes.

He knows moderate Catholics in the North are less likely to be in favour of a United Ireland now than they were 12 months. Why? Because no one wants to join our indebted state any more.

But he is still using the spectre of a United Ireland to get himself Unionist votes.

KeithAFC

alan85 wrote: »

Thanks for the idiots guide to unionism.

:rolleyes: Typical.

deise go deo

Ray Burkes Pension wrote: »

Robinson is just after extra votes.

He knows moderate Catholics in the North are less likely to be in favour of a United Ireland now than they were 12 months. Why? Because no one wants to join our indebted state any more.

But he is still using the spectre of a United Ireland to get himself Unionist votes.

NI is in an indebted state. The UK has a massive amount of debt.