4TB Synology NAS £229.99 @ amazon

Quaderno

Sorry for opening a new thread, but I think this offer deserves one. I started posting it into another thread which many of you probably won't follow. Please check here.

EDIT Direct link to the product: http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B004JJ35HI/ref=ord_cart_shr?ie=UTF8&m=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE

@mods: If it's wrong to open a new thread for the offer I will be sorry and please feel free to delete it then. I will not do it again when I see that happening.

paddydriver

Hope you got one at the low price as its back up to £585ish now

Edit - looked again at the other buying options.. Shucks, still can't afford it at present.

jrd

Still £229.99 at 20:27 this evening

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B004JJ35HI/ref=ord_cart_shr?ie=UTF8&m=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE

paddydriver

Have taken a punt and ordered one - CC is not charged till they ship; well so say's the T&C's. Did not want it being charged and then possibly re-credited as I would lose out on exchange.

Will wait and see....:p

dnme

Where does it specify that disks are included?

nephster

dnme wrote: »

Where does it specify that disks are included?

...in the title of the product it says 4TB.

dnme

nephster wrote: »

...in the title of the product it says 4TB.

Yes I saw that, but the specs are somewhat light on detail. The title will often give the capacity, this does not necessarily mean that the disks are included.

Quaderno

Yeah, it's a mess now over 2 threads and all is my fault
So I try to bring it together here:

I would not rely on the disks being included if my life depended on it, but there are certain clues that do suggest they are.

There seem to be 3 different variants available on amazon:
- the empty case ("DS411SLIM") for £224.95
- a 2TB model ("DS411SLIM/2TB") for £479.00 (probably with 4x500GB disks, but I'm not sure) and
- a 4TB model ("DS411SLIM/4TB") which cost £585.00 - until the amazon price today dropped to £229.99

So I would assume the latter model with "4TB" in the title comes with the disks, unless of course amazon sold the empty case for more than twice the RRP before.

The second reason I think it's not just the shell is that the second seller on the product page states "incl. 4x 1000GB" and since it must be (or at least I would expect it to be) the same product I would assume this applies for the amazon-offer as well. So decide for yourself, but I think it's worth a shot if you are in the market for a small NAS. And since the sales numbers of the thing today jumped by 3,820% so far other people seem to think the same.

Edit: I just found another hint. While the weight of the empty case is stated to be 1.8 Kg, the "2TB" version on offer weighs in at 2.9kg, as does the "4TB" box. That leaves 275g per drive, which seems realistic.

po0k

Yeah, +1

Voodu Child wrote: »

That uses 2.5" drives and there is zero chance of getting one with 4x1TB drives for €280. €280 is an empty model.

With Amazon listing 2.5" 1TB drive for £93.36, it definitely doesn't include 4 of them.

dnme

po0k wrote: »

Yeah, +1

With Amazon listing 2.5" 1TB drive for £93.36, it definitely doesn't include 4 of them.

Yea that's what I'd say. Anyway, why not simply email the vendor and ask before forking out cash on the basis of a guess.

Quaderno

po0k wrote: »

Yeah, +1

With Amazon listing 2.5" 1TB drive for £93.36, it definitely doesn't include 4 of them.

If the drives are included it must be a misprice indeed, but does that necessarily mean that it's impossible? We have seen lots of similar offers before. Sometimes they were honored and sometimes they were not.

As for the details on the page:
The other seller on the same product page (Easy-Tecs GmbH) writes explicitly that 4x1000GB drives are included and sets a price tag of £585. They also sell the 2TB-Version for £479 as well as the "empty" case for £255. That seems to be entirely reasonable and conclusive so far, so I have no doubt that the described product is meant to contain the disks, 4 of them with 1000GB each.

Has amazon made a mistake with their pricing? Yes, they probably have. Maybe they wanted to place their offer on the page for the empty case. But for some reason that didn't happen.
Does that mean they will send out boxes with no disks? Probably not.
Will they cancel orders made at the wrong price? I don't know.
You have to decide if it's worth a try or not. Nuff said.

po0k

Quaderno wrote: »

If the drives are included it must be a misprice indeed, but does that necessarily mean that it's impossible?

Yes.
Please don't take this the wrong way but:

• NASs are horrifically overpriced to begin with.
• 1TB 2.5" drives are relatively new, very high density and as such are priced to the hilt.
• 2Tb 2.5" drives are about 80-90Eur.
• The little NAS in question is 250euro for a metal and plastic casing with a low-cost SoC board for power, LAN and 4x SATA ports runing some flavour of Nix no doubt.
• "If it's too good to be true, it usually is" applies here I believe.

If it was 80quid without the drives it would be worth it for assuming it doesn't cook drives that could be spun up all day.
250eur, unless it's extremely well made and can push 100MB/sec sustained over the LAN, is too much in my mind.

My 2c.

IrishB.ie

I think it does include the 4 drives. between the model no. and the fact the link states 'You Save: £355.01 (61%)'. The RRP on the link is £585.

Even the links for it for £585 have a smaller link underneath for the cheaper price with 2 new from £229.99.

Go for it.

Quaderno

po0k wrote: »

* The little NAS in question is 250euro for a metal and plastic casing with a low-cost SoC board for power, LAN and 4x SATA ports runing some flavour of Nix no doubt.

Actually not. It's even a pretty good one as far as those boxes go. And it's more expensive than €250. The empty box starts at about €270.

po0k wrote: »

If it was 80quid without the drives it would be worth it for assuming it doesn't cook drives that could be spun up all day.
250eur, unless it's extremely well made and can push 100MB/sec sustained over the LAN, is too much in my mind.

I see what you mean. But that's exactly the beauty of a bargain. If the drives would be included (and I still think they are) then the €280 you pay split into €70 per drive. That's close to €40 short of the RRP for each single disk and the NAS itself would be entirely free. It's the same as if you buy three 2.5" 1TB harddisks, get 20% off the price, a fourth disk free and then the free case on top of it. Who would complain about that?
Granted, this really sounds to good to be to true. But in this board we had things like that before and, more importantly, where is the risk?
Amazon could cancel your order, in which case your money would be refunded (or more likely not even charged in the first place). No problem with that.
Secondly, should the unlikely thing happen that Amazon really sends out an empty case which you wouldn't have bought otherwise I have no doubt that you can send it back instantly and claim a full refund as well, simply because the description in this case was not clear. And it really is misleading, as you can see in this thread. I could live with that as well. A bit of hassle sending it back, but not really a problem for both sides.
If anyone is looking for a small 4-disk NAS-box right now I still can't see why he shouldn't try his luck and potentially buy something really useful for a very, very good price. Time will tell whether it's a bargain or not.

Ranking has gone up in the past 24 hours: 5,422%
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slave1

Now #1 in NAS sales, there was a time a year or so ago when I would have jumped at this 4TB storage, however these day's 4TB just does not cut it, I've 19TB mirrored (video storage) at the moment and I can see myself moving up by the end of the year, modern decent BR rip is about 12gig.

Soarer

No longer available from Amazon.

paddydriver

Sold out:D

Haven't got my order cancelled yet.

To answer some earlier posts - the box is fairly well featured and does a lot for the price. The thing that made me go for it is that it supports iSCSI connectivity and this effectively makes it a cheap SAN. I can use it for testing VMware stuff and backing up data in our office.

Don't imagine they will honour the price but if your not in...

ecomac

Did they charged your payment card yet?

richardw001

Amazon don't charge credit cards until they ship (fingers crossed that they do ship in this case :-) )

vibe666

paddydriver wrote: »

To answer some earlier posts - the box is fairly well featured and does a lot for the price. The thing that made me go for it is that it supports iSCSI connectivity and this effectively makes it a cheap SAN. I can use it for testing VMware stuff and backing up data in our office.

if a person was in the market for a low/mid budget pre-built NAS device then synology is 100% the right way to go.

on paper they might not look like much, but it's the software, support & development that makes them great compared to the alternatives.

personally I'd put QNAP a close second, then iomega and Thecus a distant 4th after my own experiences.

on paper they all look like they do the same sort of thing and to an extent they do, but Synology are just really good at delivering a user friendly, functional and intuitive product at a decent price.

I got (what i thought was) a great deal on a 7 bay thecus N7700 and on paper it looks great, but i've really started to regret it recently after having a few problems and just finding things that should work either don't or are impossibly difficult to get working. they're also very slow on HDD compatibility updates and firmware development and their support is a shambles.

that said, thecus do very well in speed tests and i've never had any complaints there, but it's not just about the speed when you buy a box like this, the plugins & apps you can add to increase the number of features play a good part too.

it doesn't exactly do wonders for the geek ego when a work colleague buys one of the cheapest synology NAS's and the feature set wipes the floor with your uber NAS. :mad:

that said, if i had my time again, i think i'd build my own NAS out of a PC instead and make sure it did everything i wanted it to do.

m8

Yes your spot on there vibe666 as I have 3 synologys a 1bay, 2 bay and a 4 bay version and I had other makes but nothing comes near them tbh. I also built a nas from a pc but found it to be a bit power hungry and noisy, not as good as the synologys. Fantastic support from synology as well.

I would highly recoment them if you are in the market for a NAS.

Wayne Scales

Do ye reckon Amazon will honour this deal ?

dodzy

Wayne Scales wrote: »

Do ye reckon Amazon will honour this deal ?

If you are referring to the 4TB Synology with the HDDs included for 250 quid or thereabouts, I'd be amazed. It would go down as one of the great BAs if it is.

Wayne Scales

Yes thats what I am referring to....fingers crossed !!!

ecomac

I think if they wouldn't, then the orders would be cancelled already

Wayne Scales

Yes that's what I was thinking also , pity the despatch date is 2 weeks away

ecomac

2 weeks at best - dispatch Estimate: 15 Mar 2011 - 28 Mar 2011

slacker_tt

I found this thread while looking up the box in question - I've also ordered one but don't see that it's going to be honoured as they claim to check the price as dispatch.

my estimated dispatch is the 14th - we'll see.

http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20101109044414AAmm9aU

Oh yeah, and hello to boards.ie

dodzy

slacker_tt wrote: »

I found this thread while looking up the box in question - I've also ordered one but don't see that it's going to be honoured as they claim to check the price as dispatch.

my estimated dispatch is the 14th - we'll see.

http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20101109044414AAmm9aU

Oh yeah, and hello to boards.ie

I stole this line but I think it is very apt:

" In the interest of self-preservation, I think it would be unwise to hold your breath awaiting its arrival "

slacker_tt

just fyi - I took screen prints of the original page and also the offers - not that I, for a second think it'll make any difference but if anyone has the spare time on their hands and wanted to pursue this, you're welcome to them.

note that the ASIN: B004JJ35HI number quite clearly links your order to a 4Tb array, not just any random product on the site.

The key thing from my previous post is that if the vendor can show that it's quite clearly a misquote, the contract is null and void - there's been an offer to sell and we've accepted - there's been no money changed hands but they could argue that it is the case that there's been a mistake and we should have known, however, a quick search on the products for a 4Tb NAS does show products in and around the £200-£300 price point.

As interesting as that all is, I'll just be sending mine back if it turns up without disks. Life's too short.:rolleyes:

Wayne Scales

Likewise , nothing to loose so worth a punt

paddydriver

I don't hold out much hope but maybe that's was 3 years of recession has done to me:p

I want to use it as an iSCSI SAN with VMware ESX. Checked the site and not charge till shipping but they do say that they review for misquotes at shipping time - cannot find where I saw this but it was something along those lines and it made me think order will probably sit till they go to ship and will then twig it.

If I get it for £220 then I will be a happy camper

Jamey_29

To me it looks like they have the updated the price to 585 STG. I am on the hunt for a NAS and this would have been ideal at that price.

slacker_tt

Jamey_29 wrote: »

To me it looks like they have the updated the price to 585 STG. I am on the hunt for a NAS and this would have been ideal at that price.

the 4 disks on their own would have been ok for that price.

paddydriver

Dear Customer

We are writing to inform you that the price for the item

- Synology DS-411SLIM/4TB - 4TB 2.5" NAS Solution (4x 1TB 2.5" HDD Installed) - Asin: B004JJ35HI

was displayed incorrectly at the time you placed the above referenced order.

Despite our best efforts, with the millions of items available on our website, pricing errors can occasionally occur.

In our Pricing and Availability Policy (see http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/help/customer/display.html?ie=UTF8&nodeId=1040614), we state that where an item's correct price is higher than our stated price, we contact the customer before dispatching.

All affected orders have now been cancelled. If you still wish to purchase this item, please place a new order online as from tomorrow, which will be charged at the correct price, when we dispatch it to you.

Please accept our sincere apologies for the inconvenience caused by this error, and rest assured that we will continue to make every effort to maintain the accuracy of all prices on our site.

We look forward to serving you again in the future.

Warmest regards,

Customer Service Department
Amazon.co.uk

vibe666

that's why they don't charge till they ship.

if they'd already accepted payment for it then it would have counted as having been offered and accepted at the agreed price would constitute a legally binding contract (afaik) even if it hadn't been shipped.

as they hadn't charged you though, they can still go back on it.

it's always worth a shot though, you never know your luck.

NeedaNewName

paddydriver wrote: »

Dear Customer

We are writing to inform you that the price for the item

- Synology DS-411SLIM/4TB - 4TB 2.5" NAS Solution (4x 1TB 2.5" HDD Installed) - Asin: B004JJ35HI

was displayed incorrectly at the time you placed the above referenced order.

Despite our best efforts, with the millions of items available on our website, pricing errors can occasionally occur.

In our Pricing and Availability Policy (see http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/help/customer/display.html?ie=UTF8&nodeId=1040614), we state that where an item's correct price is higher than our stated price, we contact the customer before dispatching.

All affected orders have now been cancelled. If you still wish to purchase this item, please place a new order online as from tomorrow, which will be charged at the correct price, when we dispatch it to you.

Please accept our sincere apologies for the inconvenience caused by this error, and rest assured that we will continue to make every effort to maintain the accuracy of all prices on our site.

We look forward to serving you again in the future.

Warmest regards,

Customer Service Department
Amazon.co.uk

I feel your pain Got the same email earlier too.

paddydriver

Didn't really expect to pull it off and whilst I agree that by taking money at purchase time they would have been entering a contract - I actually wouldn't have tried if they took money at purchase time because I would have lost out on the exchange as they credited the money back to my card; that's how sure I was this wouldn't happen.. balls

I bought one of these lads for the office during the week:

http://go.iomega.com/en/products/network-storage-desktop/storcenter-network-storage-solution/network-hard-drive-ix4-200d/

+ happy with it so far. Setup 3 x iSCSI LUN's and attached them to 3 x ESX servers and working good for backups.

Think I may try blag one now for home as I want big storage at home so that I can just run storage and not the PC's. the Iomega is twice the size of the Synology but I just liked the shot at trying to get a good bargain before deciding whether to get the Iomega.

All said I would prefer a QNAP but the 8GB models are a little out of price range - just the chassis is nearly the price of the Iomega including disks.

Paddy

68 lost souls

With any of these can I upload files to them while Im away, say I was in America for a few weeks/months and want to backup data from over there can I upload it to my NAS at home?

I know its probably a stupid question, I had been looking at a QNAP device myself but they are very pricey and the Iomega looks alright, any other recomendations?

I was hoping to get at least a 4 bay (8Tb) system that will allow for 4Tb of storage with a copy of the 4Tb in case of drive failure.

Irish Kev

NeedaNewName wrote: »

I feel your pain Got the same email earlier too.

+1, a little gutted and feel like writing to complain. Its taken them a week to send the email

parsi

Got the same email.

Banged off a reply about how amazon was the place I went to for good deals and how could I trust these published deals if they were cancelled at a later stage. Yaddda yadda yadda.

vibe666

68 lost souls wrote: »

I know its probably a stupid question, I had been looking at a QNAP device myself but they are very pricey and the Iomega looks alright, any other recomendations?

I was hoping to get at least a 4 bay (8Tb) system that will allow for 4Tb of storage with a copy of the 4Tb in case of drive failure.

the only one i'd stay away from at the moment is thecus as they seem to be having some kind of a meltdown.

i got an n7700 7 bay nas from them almost a couple of years ago now and its been working okay for the most part, but there's been a few issues and thecus are a total PITA to deal with as far as support goes.

you really can't go wrong with any synology nas as they update every model with their latest firmware across the board and they all run it relatively well, even the low end models. i believe qnap do the same thing too, but their gui isn't quite as good.

the problem with raid on consumer nas's is that it's all proprietory algorithms and usually only software raid and not always cross compatible, even when moving disks to an identical nas.

you could have a nas fail on you and swap the disks to an identical model and still not get your data back, you just never know.

having said that everything might be fine, but i've seen people losing their raid config from updating a nas firmware and not be able to get it back.

there's also the issue with the reduced MTBF and URE values you get with consumer grade drives plus the increased storage on them, which together *could* mean that with (as a rough example) 7x 2tb disks in raid5 you have a very strong chance of an unrecoverable read error on one of the remaining disks when rebuilding a degraded array.

this (slightly rusty) article goes into the basic maths, although things may have improved since it was written, i actually had something like that happen during a raid expansion on my thecus, which wasn't good.

the safest way to do it all is to get a nas, set it up with raid5 and then mirror it to some other external local storage device like a multi bay esata raid enclosure.

i got myself one of these from startech and some 2tb drives which is working nicely for me at the moment, altho not directly attached to my nas as the current firmware doesn't support it (grrrr!). :mad: