Some questions about FAS Work Placement Programme

rafapietrzyk

Hi, I started a week ago work placement programme before I received 100 E per week from Social Welfare.I had Jobseeker's Allowance. And my question is when i work full time 40 hours per week in Work Placement Programme i will be get more money or the same what I get when I had Jobseeker's Allowance?

Pure Sound

The same amount of money, personally I would steer clear of the Fas WPP

Chaotic_Forces

You'll get the 100: http://www.fas.ie/en/WPP/FAQs.htm

TBH, you'd probably be better off on a course since you'll get the full whack. of 188 if you're 18 or over.

rafapietrzyk

Ehhh I know boys and so happy with the WPP Unfortunately, the work for free to the bakery 40 hours a week giving me the worst work and wasted 90 euros, although they could give 200 euros!
I was looking for work I have done three courses in the FAS was getting with FAS 220 euros for the course! and here for 40 hours wasted 90 euros! I'm disappointed!

Pure Sound

The problem I have with it is the fact that it is practically slave labour, you will be earning just over €2 per hour, you must take into account the money that it will cost you to get there and to eat in work compared to what it would cost to stay at home, 40 hours per week is 40 hours that you will not be looking for work.

These WPP schemes have replaced paid graduate programs so whilst you struggle they make money from you. The wages are covered by the government so they have nothing to gain by hiring you on a paid permanent basis, they will just replace you with another WPP person. Whoever came up with this idea is an absolute idiot, no wonder Fas have such a bad name

Chaotic_Forces

We Need Community wrote: »

The problem I have with it is the fact that it is practically slave labour, you will be earning just over €2 per hour, you must take into account the money that it will cost you to get there and to eat in work compared to what it would cost to stay at home, 40 hours per week is 40 hours that you will not be looking for work.

These WPP schemes have replaced paid graduate programs so whilst you struggle they make money from you. The wages are covered by the government so they have nothing to gain by hiring you on a paid permanent basis, they will just replace you with another WPP person. Whoever came up with this idea is an absolute idiot, no wonder Fas have such a bad name

It works. The goal was to reduce unemployment and it does. If you join one of those programmes, your name is off the umployment registar.

Pure Sound

Chaotic_Forces wrote: »

It works. The goal was to reduce unemployment and it does. If you join one of those programmes, your name is off the umployment registar.

But it is still funded by the state through Fas so the taxpayer is paying for people to do th WPP whilst the company gets free labour. As I stated in the above post these WPP have replaced paying internships and graduate programmes which the company would have previously paid for themselves. The taxpayer loses out now, the employee loses out because of reduced earnings and all staff in the company are undermined as you are doing work they get paid for for nothing.

I would understand these programmes if they were aimed at struggling businesses to get them out of the crisis but looking at the list of employers it seems to be a scheme to ensure that the rich get richer

Chaotic_Forces

We Need Community wrote: »

But it is still funded by the state through Fas so the taxpayer is paying for people to do th WPP whilst the company gets free labour. As I stated in the above post these WPP have replaced paying internships and graduate programmes which the company would have previously paid for themselves. The taxpayer loses out now, the employee loses out because of reduced earnings and all staff in the company are undermined as you are doing work they get paid for for nothing.

I would understand these programmes if they were aimed at struggling businesses to get them out of the crisis but looking at the list of employers it seems to be a scheme to ensure that the rich get richer

They weren't to replace them. They were a means of reducing the unemployment lines and it works.

Pure Sound

Chaotic_Forces wrote: »

They weren't to replace them. They were a means of reducing the unemployment lines and it works.

They weren't the goal of the scheme but that is what has happened and it is clear from the work available that the companies abusing the free labour are the same ones that would've previously had graduate programmes.

To the OP, do a course, the experience gained from the WPP will not benefit you unless you plan to do it for a year plus

Chaotic_Forces

We Need Community wrote: »

They weren't the goal of the scheme but that is what has happened and it is clear from the work available that the companies abusing the free labour are the same ones that would've previously had graduate programmes.

To the OP, do a course, the experience gained from the WPP will not benefit you unless you plan to do it for a year plus

It was actually one of the major goals. But it was meant to be for the more "expierenced" people in certain secotrs that were umemployed.

Pure Sound

Chaotic_Forces wrote: »

It was actually one of the major goals. But it was meant to be for the more "expierenced" people in certain secotrs that were umemployed.

Thats fair enough that it was the goals but you are missing my point, this is not what has happened it was always destined to benefit just the employer, they left it too open for abuse of employees rights. Each company that is part of the scheme should have an obligation to hire that person permanently after a certain amount of time e.g 2 months, if they fail to employ that employee they should have to explain in writing to the WPP office why they didn't hire them. If that company continues to let people go they should be taken off the WPP scheme.

I have come across WPP programmes that require you to work for them under the scheme for a minimum of 8 months, this stuff is just ridiculous it means that the employee must work for 8 months unpaid and can't look for work in the meantime. If they break that 8 month contract they will not have a reference deeming the WPP irrelevent. The WPP is a good idea in theory but it was not thought out and does not benefit the employee enough.

Chaotic_Forces

We Need Community wrote: »

Thats fair enough that it was the goals but you are missing my point, this is not what has happened it was always destined to benefit just the employer, they left it too open for abuse of employees rights. Each company that is part of the scheme should have an obligation to hire that person permanently after a certain amount of time e.g 2 months, if they fail to employ that employee they should have to explain in writing to the WPP office why they didn't hire them. If that company continues to let people go they should be taken off the WPP scheme.

I have come across WPP programmes that require you to work for them under the scheme for a minimum of 8 months, this stuff is just ridiculous it means that the employee must work for 8 months unpaid and can't look for work in the meantime. If they break that 8 month contract they will not have a reference deeming the WPP irrelevent. The WPP is a good idea in theory but it was not thought out and does not benefit the employee enough.

Oh I know that. It's something like the employee doesn't count against PRSI tax for the employer and they also get I think it was 500 (maybe 5 grand) for taking a WWP on instead of a worker.

Pure Sound

Chaotic_Forces wrote: »

Oh I know that. It's something like the employee doesn't count against PRSI tax for the employer and they also get I think it was 500 (maybe 5 grand) for taking a WWP on instead of a worker.

Thats crazy, I didnt know that (the €500/€5000 thing), more reason for me to dislike it:eek: The fact that it is so badly thought through is my main reason for disliking it so much though. I am a recent Masters graduate and have noticed graduate programmes are becoming less and less frequent due to the WPP being an easy point for free labour. If you look at the gradireland employees (No Jobs available) it is clear that it is made up of the same ones as WPP (Jobs available). I understand that graduate programmes are cheap labour but at least its company funded.

I really think that Fas needs to be overhauled, the guys in charge either don't know what they are doing or are corrupt and doing these schemes for personal gain. I wonder why the Fas situation wasn't a major point in the General Election.

I wonder how many people who the WPP is supposed to aimed at have truly benefited from it. Sorry for going slightly off topic OP

Chaotic_Forces

We Need Community wrote: »

Thats crazy, I didnt know that (the €500/€5000 thing), more reason for me to dislike it:eek: The fact that it is so badly thought through is my main reason for disliking it so much though. I am a recent Masters graduate and have noticed graduate programmes are becoming less and less frequent due to the WPP being an easy point for free labour. If you look at the gradireland employees (No Jobs available) it is clear that it is made up of the same ones as WPP (Jobs available). I understand that graduate programmes are cheap labour but at least its company funded.

I really think that Fas needs to be overhauled, the guys in charge either don't know what they are doing or are corrupt and doing these schemes for personal gain. I wonder why the Fas situation wasn't a major point in the General Election.

I wonder how many people who the WPP is supposed to aimed at have truly benefited from it. Sorry for going slightly off topic OP

I'm sure it was meant to be that fact that it's far easier for people that are pretty much desperate with years of experience in their fields (as in 3+ years for an entry level position, I am serious I have seen things like "legal secretary min exp = 5 years) for them. But like you, you have done well in college but if you really do want to get your foot in the door you might be desperate enough to go to WWP.

The thing is though, FÁS is supposed to be shut down or at least, it's been made clear that the courses don't hold much weight (in terms of qualifications) in the last few months. It's not even about how much FÁS have wrecked things, it's because FF were the ones who put forward the WWP idea nad followed through.
It wasn't even a consideration in the election; more jobs and better courses/qualifications are what's the issues.

Noo

If you are aged 22-24 you are entitled to the full €188