R4 already developed for 3Ds.

Run_to_da_hills

This is a funny cat and mouse game.

Will they ever stop.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/220875/nintendo_3ds_sells_400000_in_japan_already_r4_hacked.html

ollie1

The Acekard 2i is running on Nintendo 3DS with a new update :pac: Nintendo must be going mad.

RedXIV

I was wondering how long it would take them, I do believe I'm owed a coke for a bet of less than 2 weeks

Chaotic_Forces

Ah come on, that's taking the piss. Seriously, you'd think the hackers would at least give it a few weeks.

Poor Nintendo, I honestly feel sorry for them. Still, I doubt it'll stop sales of games.

Mr E

Chaotic_Forces wrote: »

Poor Nintendo, I honestly feel sorry for them. Still, I doubt it'll stop sales of games.

Remember its only DS/DSi games that are running on the flash cart.
Nintendo will probably go postal if these guys figure out how to pirate native 3DS games.

RedXIV

Mr E wrote: »

Remember its only DS/DSi games that are running on the flash cart.
Nintendo will probably go postal when these guys figure out how to pirate native 3DS games.

FYP

Chaotic_Forces

Mr E wrote: »

Remember its only DS/DSi games that are running on the flash cart.
Nintendo will probably go postal if these guys figure out how to pirate native 3DS games.

Ah, okay. I thought it was the 3DS games they had running. Still, I doubt it's far off.

Gunmonkey

Chaotic_Forces wrote: »

Ah come on, that's taking the piss. Seriously, you'd think the hackers would at least give it a few weeks.

Why? Sure dont they need to "backup" all the games they are gonna pay full price for on the 3DS.


:rolleyes:

tman

Haha, wasn't it trumpeted by Nintendo recently as being one of the most piracy-proof consoles ever made?


*claps slowly*

Dozen Wicked Words

I don't see it as a fail for Nintendo yet, when the 3DS specific games are hacked that will be when they can say they have failed. Bit pointless them trying to shut the DS door after the horse has bolted. They didn't bother trying to stop GBA flash with the slot on the DS lite either. DSi enhanced games haven't been successfully played off flashcards yet either have they? (or have they actually, not sure )

Mr E

I agree.... don't they have mechanisms in place like stealth firmware updates that will break flashcarts without warning? I think they're going to make life very difficult for pirates. The cat and mouse game for the next few months is going to be pretty entertaining....

Nollog

It's only DS games, not DSi or 3DS games.
They're using the same technique as they used on the DSi to protect their DS games.

This is not indicative of how they protect 3DS games.

Myrddin

It's only the backward compatibility with DS titles that's letting flash cards run. Remember flash cards still cannot run DSi Enhanced games, let alone 3DS titles. Nothing new has been developed here, nothing new has been hacked.

The market is lucrative though, I would think there's plenty of folks looking to develop the first true DSi/3DS flash card.

Gunmonkey, are you assuming hackers are thieves & pirates? If you want to be technical these are crackers, not hackers. Besides look at Sony recently having all their PS3's being shipped into Europe seized. The judge allowed this to happen as there's merit to the claim that there's stolen technology in their blu-ray drives. It's not just kids in their bedrooms who steal remember

This 3DS story has been blown way out of proportion though.

billyboy01

Its great! I'd get one of the first generation 3DS consoles. As the R4 lads are more likely to crack them! Then the next batch!

slave1

Given the price of these games and the amount of kids playing them there is a tendancy for broken/lost game carts so perhaps N could help us here with some sort of legal back-up facility, I mean the ROM game size is so bloody small.
My Kindle is 4gig and fully 'backed-up' on the Amazon web site, not a direct comparison I know but just there to make a point.

Myrddin

billyboy01 wrote: »

Its great! I'd get one of the first generation 3DS consoles. As the R4 lads are more likely to crack them! Then the next batch!

What's great? Nothing's been done here, it's just the card being backwards compatible. There's still no DSi flash card, so unless Nintendo made a boo boo with the 3DS security, expect it to be much the same. It will happen sooner or later though, there's huge money in it for whoever does it first unfortunately.

Nollog

EnterNow wrote: »

What's great? Nothing's been done here, it's just the card being backwards compatible. There's still no DSi flash card, so unless Nintendo made a boo boo with the 3DS security, expect it to be much the same. It will happen sooner or later though, there's huge money in it for whoever does it first unfortunately.

CycloDS iEvolution.

Myrddin

/\/ollog wrote: »

CycloDS iEvolution.

Ok so there's one (it looks very very new, has it been released yet even?). But even that's only running on a 3DS under DS mode. But now that someones got DSi mode working, hmm.

Mr E

Came out early February I think.

Nollog

EnterNow wrote: »

Ok so there's one (it looks very very new, has it been released yet even?). But even that's only running on a 3DS under DS mode. But now that someones got DSi mode working, hmm.

It's not been tested for DSi Mode on 3DS yet since the game they're using to hax it didn't get a Japanese release.

Myrddin

/\/ollog wrote: »

It's not been tested for DSi Mode on 3DS yet since the game they're using to hax it didn't get a Japanese release.

Something to do with having no Japanese bootstrap I think, I'm pretty sure it would work much that same as standard DS mode seems to work. Whether they can make it take advantage of 3DS mode though remains to be seen. Fingers crossed not, if even for a while. It's just taking the p1ss really, for all of the Mame team's faults, at least their ethos has a time frame for deciding if a game can be added or not (unofficially it has to be at least 5 years I think). It's a pity such a thing can't happen amongst these types, but where there's $$$ at stake, the race is on.

Nollog

They use a save game exploit.
It's probably impossible for Nintendo to block it without blocking the retail game from being used in the 3DS/DSi.
Which they did with the EA DSiWare Sudoku hack within a day.

It's completely different to how they get DS "backups" working on the DSi, that just requires a small part of a game Nintendo haven't added extra checks for yet.
Nintendo can't really add this for every game since that would use up three or four times the space in a DSi's memory.
And they couldn't really change it for the 3DS without breaking backward compatibility.

Myrddin

/\/ollog wrote: »

They use a save game exploit.
It's probably impossible for Nintendo to block it without blocking the retail game from being used in the 3DS/DSi.
Which they did with the EA DSiWare Sudoku hack within a day.

It's completely different to how they get DS "backups" working on the DSi, that just requires a small part of a game Nintendo haven't added extra checks for yet.
Nintendo can't really add this for every game since that would use up three or four times the space in a DSi's memory.
And they couldn't really change it for the 3DS without breaking backward compatibility.

I'm sure they'll address it in a firmware update before long, but those launch units may provide the key to reproducing the exploit. Ah who knows, it's all hypothetical at the mo. Dying to see the 3DS in the flesh though!

Nollog

Whatever happens, it'll always be better value to buy the real games on 3DS.

Darksaga87

Has anyone seen this?

Nintendo is not holding back with its threats to cut gamers off if they decide to download and play pirate games on the 3DS. Retailers in Japan are being warned by Nintendo that it will disable a 3DS if illegal games are detected running on it. This deactivation process will be activated through firmware.
The warning from Nintendo has led to some retailers issuing a warning to customers stating they cannot accept any 3DS hardware that has been customized in anyway. This is purely because they cannot guarantee the hardware will continue to function when they resell it.

http://www.geek.com/articles/games/nintendo-reserves-the-right-to-brick-your-3ds-if-piracy-detected-2011037/

billyboy01

Ah, there will be a Custom Firmware with this Bricking code removed!

The R4 team will have a Card and FW update out again the 1st of April!

Myrddin

Darksaga87 wrote: »

Has anyone seen this?



http://www.geek.com/articles/games/nintendo-reserves-the-right-to-brick-your-3ds-if-piracy-detected-2011037/

The cards will likely include a history cleaner, that wipes the log of played games, similar to what we see on the PS3 today. This will mean you'll have to leave your 3DS offline if using a flash cart.

billyboy01

EnterNow wrote: »

The cards will likely include a history cleaner, that wipes the log of played games, similar to what we see on the PS3 today. This will mean you'll have to leave your 3DS offline if using a flash cart.

I could live with using it in offline mode for free games!

ghostchant

There's a definite difference between 'free' and 'stolen' though. Ask any dev/publishing house who needs a game to be relatively successful to prevent going under.

Myrddin

billyboy01 wrote: »

I could live with using it in offline mode for free games!

What free games? Stolen ones? They're not free, they're stolen. If your referring to free homebrew games that amateur dev's make etc, then yeah that'd be cool, but anything else is & will be ultimately destructive for the 3DS.

billyboy01

Some people would say its Karma! As I remember Ninty in the 90's screwing EU gamers and us Irish gamers with 60 punts prices, and the EU giving them a heavy fine! Greed on the side of manufacturers cause's the rise in these flash cards!

Myrddin

billyboy01 wrote: »

Some people would say its Karma! As I remember Ninty in the 90's screwing EU gamers and us Irish gamers with 60 punts prices, and the EU giving them a heavy fine! Greed on the side of manufacturers cause's the rise in these flash cards!

I definitely agree that dev houses really need to look at pricing. €40/50 quid for a 10/20MB game is ridiculous in some cases, however, the ends don't justify the means.

ghostchant

Some of those 10/20MB games are far better than a lot of GB-size games though!

As for people saying that it's karma - screwing over someone (e.g. some relatively new developer) because someone else (e.g. nintendo) screwed you over doesn't exactly make a neat closed loop!

Myrddin

ghostchant wrote: »

Some of those 10/20MB games are far better than a lot of GB-size games though!

As for people saying that it's karma - screwing over someone (e.g. some relatively new developer) because someone else (e.g. nintendo) screwed you over doesn't exactly make a neat closed loop!

I'm not saying game size has any impact on how good it is, I'm saying charging nearly as much for a 20MB cart compared to a 30GB Blu-Ray game doesn't exactly encourage people to stay legit. Just because it's a game, shouldn't mean its automatically worth €40 on release...thats what needs to change.

Dozen Wicked Words

EnterNow wrote: »

I'm not saying game size has any impact on how good it is, I'm saying charging nearly as much for a 20MB cart compared to a 30GB Blu-Ray game doesn't exactly encourage people to stay legit. Just because it's a game, shouldn't mean its automatically worth €40 on release...thats what needs to change.

Dont really follow the point you are trying to make (or more likely I may have missed the point). Seems to me you say game file size doesn't effect how good it is, but it does effect how much it should be worth?

30gb of sh*t is worth more than 20mb of quality?

Myrddin

dooferoaks wrote: »

Dont really follow the point you are trying to make (or more likely I may have missed the point). Seems to me you say game file size doesn't effect how good it is, but it does effect how much it should be worth?

30gb of sh*t is worth more than 20mb of quality?

The point is I don't think it helps when new releases are automatically set to €30/40/50 quid, regardless of size. As in 30GB of sh1t doesn't auomatically have to cost double the price of a small game, so why does it?

Obviously premium games should always command more, no matter the size/platform. But cheaper games that appeal to kids etc don't need to cost full whack all the time, why not make the pricing for them more attractive etc.

Dozen Wicked Words

EnterNow wrote: »

The point is I don't think it helps when new releases are automatically set to €30/40/50 quid, regardless of size. As in 30GB of sh1t doesn't auomatically have to cost double the price of a small game, so why does it?

Yeah, I see what you are saying, its very true the companies do rigidly price games regardless. I do think though that, even if the game cost a tenner there would be people of the mindset they weren't willing to pay that if they can illegally download for less/nothing.

There are people that will always want something for nothing/or much cheaper. Music is a case in point, an album may be available legally for a fiver but people would still just download it for free illegally.

All creative industry types will use the argument used in retail that shoplifters mean higher prices for everyone.

Myrddin

dooferoaks wrote: »

Yeah, I see what you are saying, its very true the companies do rigidly price games regardless. I do think though that, even if the game cost a tenner there would be people of the mindset they weren't willing to pay that if they can illegally download for less/nothing.

There are people that will always want something for nothing/or much cheaper. Music is a case in point, an album may be available legally for a fiver but people would still just download it for free illegally.

All creative industry types will use the argument used in retail that shoplifters mean higher prices for everyone.

Absolutely, I fully agree there'll always be those who will pirate just for the sake of pirating, & cheap games no matter how cheap can never match the 'value' of a flash card loaded with games. But I do think every little helps, & and a bit of give & take from the industry would be a positive spin on the battle. It's by no means a piracy counter measure, but lets say it would give less credibility to those who justify flash carts.

billyboy01

3DS has been hacked by use of the Acekard 3 flash card for 3DS roms, and the game of cat and mouse begins!:eek:

It didnt take long!:)

http://www.acekard3.com/

ollie1

billyboy01 wrote: »

3DS has been hacked by use of the Acekard 3 flash card for 3DS roms, and the game of cat and mouse begins!:eek:

It didnt take long!:)

http://www.acekard3.com/

No didn't dude read it again its just the Acekard 2i with new firmware on it :pac:

Myrddin

billyboy01 wrote: »

3DS has been hacked by use of the Acekard 3 flash card for 3DS roms, and the game of cat and mouse begins!:eek:

It didnt take long!:)

http://www.acekard3.com/

I don't see anything other than it 'will be' the first 3DS flash card, they're also claiming it will be a lot better than the Acekard 2i, & then in another part there's mention of upgrading the 2i firmware to this...is it even a legit Acekard site??

slave1

Doubt that's an 'official' site with the type of purchasing related links.
The 3DS Acekard is just the 2i, they have a few slots on YouTube where you can see it working and are relaunching with the 3 in the product title to associate specifically with the 3DS I'd imagine.

Myrddin

slave1 wrote: »

Doubt that's an 'official' site with the type of purchasing related links.
The 3DS Acekard is just the 2i, they have a few slots on YouTube where you can see it working and are relaunching with the 3 in the product title to associate specifically with the 3DS I'd imagine.

So its true then if even the firmware part? There'll be an upgraded firmware for the 2i to play 3DS games? Or just for DSi Mode compatability?

Nollog

billyboy01 wrote: »

3DS has been hacked by use of the Acekard 3 flash card for 3DS roms, and the game of cat and mouse begins!:eek:

It didnt take long!:)

http://www.acekard3.com/

This is a clone of acekard 2i, and will not play 3ds roms.
You'll be SOL if nintendo update their firmware as very few clones stick around after they make the money.
This is whose popularity they're riding on top of: http://www.acekard.com

slave1

EnterNow wrote: »

So its true then if even the firmware part? There'll be an upgraded firmware for the 2i to play 3DS games? Or just for DSi Mode compatability?

AFAIK, we are still without Acekard solution for DSi and 3DS specific games, it's just backwards compatibility so you can play DS games.
My DSlite is dying so I picked up a DSi off Amazon for £99 delivered, I'm still on the fence on the 3DS and my kids playing for hours at a time, not convinced of the effect on their (or my) eyes, suppose I'm turning into my parents [remembering Spekky 48k comments]

Sparks43

Im not too pushed on the 3ds at the moment as on my ds lite i am playing games from the

Atari
Spectrum
C64
Amstrad
Sega Master System
Sega Mega Drive
Nes
GameBoy
GameGear
GameBoy Advance
Snes



So i Think i have enough to keep me going for a while:D