Motorist tries to kill cyclists.

Fogra

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRgiIrHRoHM

Vélo

Mad fecker!

Cabaal

Should be viewed as attempted murder tbh

happytramp

The Police Chief of Porto Alegre has said that if it can be proved that he did it intentionally then he may be charged with attempted murder. The attacker, suspected to be the 47 year old owner of the car, has not yet been arrested but the police have been told by a lawyer representing the owner of the car that he will surrender himself today. Someone spoke to him before the attack and asked him to stop behaving so aggressively and that there were children and elderly people with the group, "yes, but I'm in a hurry" was his reply. He hit 20 people, putting 9 in hospital but amazingly nobody was seriously hurt.

ThisRegard

That's nuts. What's with the guy screaming if anyone has called the police, I thought I saw at least one or two police there on bikes near the start.

buffalo

happytramp wrote: »

He hit 20 people, putting 9 in hospital but amazingly nobody was seriously hurt.

I am astounded nobody was seriously hurt. That was vicious.

Captain Havoc

ThisRegard wrote: »

That's nuts. What's with the guy screaming if anyone has called the police, I thought I saw at least one or two police there on bikes near the start.

More to the point, why hasn't the guy filming called the police/ ambulance instead of filming?

Cookie_Monster

Captain Havoc wrote: »

More to the point, why hasn't the guy filming called the police/ ambulance instead of filming?

presumably because he saw plenty of other people doing it and it's important to have a video record for several reasons, not least to be used in evidence against the car driver so he can (hopefully) get the punishment he deserves.

thebullkf

:mad:slightly better quality video..... a$$wipe :mad:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oOL6fMvhww&feature=related

Hail 2 Da Thief

What a psycho! Considering the speed they were travelling at, the intention was clearly to hurt/kill people!
The guy wearing the orange tee did well to get out of trouble.

happytramp

Okay, so he's turned himself into the police and is claiming that he was....wait for it....acting in self defense.

http://road.cc/content/news/31482-brazilian-driver-claim-self-defence-over-critical-mass-carnage-says-lawyer

Icyseanfitz

bloody hell :eek: self defense my ass the people in front didnt do a damn thing to him

Hermy

Captain Havoc wrote: »

More to the point, why hasn't the guy filming called the police/ ambulance instead of filming?

Evidence?

stuckin

Jaysus Christ! Thats terrible. The fact that he's claiming self defense is sickening. Hope the judge throws the book at him

Columbia

It's a miracle nobody was killed, hopefully all those who went to the emergency room are making good progress.

If he maintains this "defence" and won't accept that what he's done is reprehensible then he deserves the longest possible sentence. There is no difference between this and taking a machine gun and opening fire on a group of complete strangers.

serendip

Captain Havoc wrote: »

More to the point, why hasn't the guy filming called the police/ ambulance instead of filming?

I'm guessing he was to some degree in shock.

High Nellie

One of the reasons why nobody was killed was probably because cars are designed to throw people up rather than go over them.
Partly because of this I hate to see the 'boy racers' with the home-made metal spoilers bolted to the boot lid. These are effective meat-slicers for anyone they hit and throw over the top. Illegal of course (e.g would not pass NCT and most will not have insurance for a modified car), but sure why would the traffic cops take any notice.

Kintarō Hattori

That was shocking and horrific. I thought the below was fairly awful too as it probably happens more often than we'd like:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8H0Pb_qjj6k

Ken.

Forgive my ignorance but where was this. Was it in ireland

Hail 2 Da Thief

lucyfur09 wrote: »

Forgive my ignorance but where was this. Was it in ireland

Brazil

Icyseanfitz

some people are so stupid :mad: i get a bit annoyed at some stuff on the roads (who doesnt) but it doesnt turn me into some nut job who wants to kill the person who caused the stupidity (which from the looks of some of these guys was themselves)

buffalo

Kintarō Hattori wrote: »

That was shocking and horrific. I thought the below was fairly awful too as it probably happens more often that we'd like:

Whatever the preceding circumstances, the cyclist in that video looks like he might be about to swing his bike into the other lad when he cops the punch.

spokeydokey

buffalo wrote: »

Whatever the preceding circumstances, the cyclist in that video looks like he might be about to swing his bike into the other lad when he cops the punch.

He was going to swing it at the car I thought.

Kintarō Hattori

buffalo wrote: »

Whatever the preceding circumstances, the cyclist in that video looks like he might be about to swing his bike into the other lad when he cops the punch.

True but I would take it that he was going to do that in self defense.

Cabaal

Since the Brazil video is a critical mass cycle it might be worth showing that its not just South America that has crazy people at these events....North America does do as proven by this NYC video with a cop randomly attacks one cyclist out of a massive crowd

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWjSOVDyUJ4

Kintarō Hattori

Cabaal wrote: »

Since the Brazil video is a critical mass cycle it might be worth showing that its not just South America that has crazy people at these events....North America does do as proven by this NYC video with a cop randomly attacks one cyclist out of a massive crowd

Kinda shocking that the officer didn't get any jail time, community service or anything as a result of his actions.

Moflojo

Anyone have an opinion on the legitmacy of these Critical Mass events?

To me they seem a little provocative and ultimately do more harm than good to the cycling "cause".

I know one or two of these events have been organised in Dublin but from what I saw they seemed to be very 'hipster' affairs.

Surely there are more constructive ways of promoting cycling than taking over the streets, pissing off motorists and enjoying the whiff of your own farts (South Park Reference).

By the way, I don't in any way condone the harvesting of cyclists as seen in the original video, that was completely wrong. I just think the Critical Mass idea is questionable also.

Undercover Elephant

Moflojo wrote: »

Anyone have an opinion on the legitmacy of these Critical Mass events?

They are entirely legitimate. They are legal and the protestors have as much right to be there as the assorted collection of nutbags who hang around O'Connell Street every Saturday.

You may not think they are a very good idea, but that is a completely different question. There's no equivalence between annoying behaviour and attempted murder.

None of this would happen if everybody drove cars :rolleyes:

Ant

spokeydokey wrote: »

He was going to swing it at the car I thought.

It looked to me like the driver was kicking his bike so the cyclist swung it upwards out of reach from the driver's legs.

It's hard to believe that someone would go so mental because the vehicle in front of them stopped on yellow. I presume a yellow traffic light in the US means much the same thing as amber lights on this side of the Atlantic.

Moflojo

Undercover Elephant wrote: »

They are entirely legitimate. They are [snip] the assorted collection of nutbags who hang around O'Connell Street every Saturday.

Fixed your post

Pure Sound

Some of the replies for that video on Youtube are horrible too, a lot of them justifying the maniacs actions. I know youtube is full of trolls but some of the posts seem like they really believe that the drivers actions were reasonable

Moflojo wrote: »

Anyone have an opinion on the legitmacy of these Critical Mass events?

One of the guys in the video said it was a protest to try and get safer roads or cycle lanes which would in turn reduce traffic, so yes it is legit and it is a peaceful protest, they also seem to be doing it off peak once a month so locals would know to avoid it.

Deleted User wrote: »

None of this would happen if everybody drove cars :rolleyes:

We would have far less problems worldwide if everyone travelled by bicycle I assume the :rolleyes: was a sarcastic gesture towards an above post

nitrogen

Moflojo wrote: »

Anyone have an opinion on the legitmacy of these Critical Mass events?

To me they seem a little provocative and ultimately do more harm than good to the cycling "cause".

I know one or two of these events have been organised in Dublin but from what I saw they seemed to be very 'hipster' affairs.

Surely there are more constructive ways of promoting cycling than taking over the streets, pissing off motorists and enjoying the whiff of your own farts (South Park Reference).

By the way, I don't in any way condone the harvesting of cyclists as seen in the original video, that was completely wrong. I just think the Critical Mass idea is questionable also.

There's one in London every year and it does encourage people who've maybe got an old bike in the shed, or have small children and want to give them a chance to cycle around the capital. I wouldn't say the one in London is solely for hipsters, families definitely made up the majority.

Canis Lupus

nitrogen wrote: »

There's one in London every year and it does encourage people who've maybe got an old bike in the shed, or have small children and want to give them a chance to cycle around the capital. I wouldn't say the one in London is solely for hipsters, families definitely made up the majority.

Whilst I've never attended, Skyride do a lovely family ride where main streets are closed to cars and families etc are out and there's music along the route etc. That imo encourages people to cycle etc. Critical Mass on the otherhand just seems to contain the 'militant cyclist' aspect and I've no time for that.

keano007

I dunno has this video been posted already but it's certainly worth another look anyway.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oOL6fMvhww&feature=youtube_gdata_player

xz

keano007 wrote: »

I dunno has this video been posted already but it's certainly worth another look anyway.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oOL6fMvhww&feature=youtube_gdata_player

The very first post of this thread is a link to an extended version of that video

Beasty

I merged the threads to avoid running two in parallel - keano007 had not realised there was already one running

Beasty

seamus

Canis Lupus wrote: »

Whilst I've never attended, Skyride do a lovely family ride where main streets are closed to cars and families etc are out and there's music along the route etc. That imo encourages people to cycle etc. Critical Mass on the otherhand just seems to contain the 'militant cyclist' aspect and I've no time for that.

Agreed. If anything, Critical Mass simply enforces the "militant hippie" stereotype of the cyclist and will discourage the lapsed, casual or fairweather cyclist from making more use of their bikes.

Events like have been held in Dublin for the last 2 (?) summers where the roads are officially closed off for an hour or so and a gentle 10k cycle done around the city centre are far more likely to get those rusting old cruisers (and their bikes!) back on the road.

I reckon they should make a larger event of that - multiple meet-up points in various suburbs within spitting distance of the city centre - everyone cycle into the city centre for a quick cruise around and then back out to their respective suburbs. Make people think, "Hey, this is easy, I can cycle into work".

victorcarrera

The general trend in responses to this thread and similar seems to be that the attacks or confrontations are as a direct result of actions or behaviour by cyclists.
Aside from the influence of alcohol, drugs and mental illness, more often than not it will be the result of some individual snapping as a result of them surpassing their coping stress levels at that particular time, for a variety of other personal frustrations and sometimes inadequacies .
The priority for someone under stress is to alleviate it as soon as possible and the easiest way to do this is through aggressive exercise. (fight or flight).
A motorist in city traffic does not have the flight option.
A mind under stress is not rational so the cyclist may be seen as a vulnerable easy target and that an anonymous attack can be carried out with little or no risk to the attacker.

The driver of the car said he was in a hurry. (Why?)
He was driving in a city but did not attack the traffic lights.

SubLuminal

It pleases me no end to imagine the kind of life the driver of this car is going to have in a brazillian prison with about 70 convictions for attempted murder.

Don't drop the soap buddy. For about the next 20 years.

tomasrojo

Ant wrote: »

I presume a yellow traffic light in the US means much the same thing as amber lights on this side of the Atlantic.

Sounds more like Canada. (The accents in the clip, I mean.)

EDIT: Yeah, Ursula Franklin College is in Toronto. That city seems to have some anti-cyclist feeling. I spent some time there, but never cycled. Their mayor, Rob Ford, make some outlandish statements in the recent past, and the former Attorney General of Ontario, Bryant, seemed to deliberately drive off with a cyclist clinging to the side of his car and killed him.