Does John Gormley simply not get it?

damonjewel

Whats with John Gormley? is he in some kind of Gaddafi-esque trance induced refusal to believe that they actually deserved their come=uppence as a compliant partner in the worst government in Irish History

John Gormley says his party has suffered the political consequences of putting the country first.

When exactly was that then? when Fianna fail drained the reserves? when fianna fail gave the bank guarantee? when unemployment jumped? when house prices crashed? when they voted against the no confidence motion in Bertie after the revelations in the Mahon tribunal?

At least when Labour got into government with Fianna Fail in '93 they had the good sense to withdraw on the - now seemingly - minor matter of an appointment of the president of the high court. But the greens stood and watched as the country went to ruin.

Goodbye to the Greens, the worlds worst possible watchdogs. please John never put our country first again

Nolanger

The Greens were a joke. That guy with the baby at the news conference, banning stag hunting (what was that about?), building stupid windmills to generate power. How come I never saw those fools taking the shopping trolleys and traffic cones out of my local canal? As for climate change. DOES ANYONE REALLY THINK THAT IF CLIMATE CHANGE EXISTED A COUNTRY WITH ONLY FOUR MILLION PEOPLE WILL MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE?

Syferus

Nolanger wrote: »

The Greens were a joke. That guy with the baby at the news conference, banning stag hunting (what was that about?), building stupid windmills to generate power. How come I never saw those fools taking the shopping trolleys and traffic cones out of my local canal? As for climate change. DOES ANYONE REALLY THINK THAT IF CLIMATE CHANGE EXISTED A COUNTRY WITH ONLY FOUR MILLION PEOPLE WILL MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE?

THANKS FOR THE GREAT ANALYSIS.

whydoibother?

I won't call them single-issue, but they're a single-area (environment) party. They're not equipped to lead us out of the crisis.

However, they're not as culpable as FF. The damage was done pre-2007 and as to the bailout, they may have been in government, but they didn't have the numbers to overrule FF - the curse of being the junior partner. You take the responsibility without really having had control over the situation you're taking responsbility for.

MidlandsM

They were FCUKED with the rural vote when it came to their Bog cutting views.
Add that to the carbon taxes, the ruination of the car trade and making a lot of peoples car worthless, they created their own mess.

Goodbye to them all. Maybe they'll actually have to go get a REAL JOB now - if they can find one like the half a million others.

Nolanger

Don't forget their electric cars. Their policies were dumb in this current economic collapse. We've more important things to be concerned about now.

Owen

Don't even get me started on the anti-environmental motor tax changes they brought in, in 2008. They never thought a single one of their policies through, sure they implemented them (Hence the self congratulations) - but they were all shoddy half assed policies which ended up being the opposite of what they were intended for.

damonjewel

They could have walked, they had plenty of reasons to and plenty of opportunity to leave, and that would have put the country first in my view. They may not be as culpable as FF, but they did prop up FF's shameful government. The electorate has deemed them culpable... But for Gormley to say he was putting the country first is a bit rich

MidlandsM

damonjewel wrote: »

They could have walked, they had plenty of reasons to and plenty of opportunity to leave

true, and they have MANY MANY outspoken party members at grass roots level and upwards, all screaming at them that it was a BAD IDEA to go into GOV with FFand to #get out........and it was all ignored...:rolleyes:

Dyr

The greens don't give a f**k about people, not since the days of garland and mckenna anyway. They cared about their worldview and that was it. They would have gone into coalition with Pol Pot so long as they got their own legislation passed.

ei.sdraob

Bambi wrote: »

The greens don't give a f**k about people, not since the days of garland and mckenna anyway. They cared about their worldview and that was it. They would have gone into coalition with Pol Pot so long as they got their own legislation passed.

There is a strong correlation between number of people killed and carbon reduction :eek:

Nolanger

A lot of their stuff doesn't make sense. Reduce carbon fuels but NO to nuclear energy? Surely if they wanted clean, carbon fuel-free energy they should have considered a nuclear power plant here instead of nonsense such as wave/wind/solar power?

STIG83

Im delighted they didnt get elected, wont be having to look at Eamon Ryan and that smirk he always has on his face.

MidlandsM

STIG83 wrote: »

Im delighted they didnt get elected, wont be having to look at Eamon Ryan and that smirk he always has on his face.

he'll be back working in the bicycle shop if you ever want to go in and have a "smirk" at him......:D:D:D

Nolanger

Yeh, his eyes lit up on Primetime rattling on about windpower. What a tosser? Used to care about the environment myself but thanks to those fools couldn't give a sh*t now.

Dyr

ei.sdraob wrote: »

There is a strong correlation between number of people killed and carbon reduction :eek:

They would have considered "responsible population management" to be a viable environmental option in their darker moments I'm sure. No cremations though, obviously.

Black Bloc

The Greens are a product of urban ambivalence and ignorance of agriculture. And such preachers! The revivalist movement in the 19th century would have been awed by their sanctimoniousness. An environmental political movement that views farmers with suspicion, the people who actually work the land, treats fish farming as hazardous, insists that medieval farming (organic) techniques will feed the world, and taxes private transport with a carbon tax in a country with SFA public transport outside Dublin. It was always a nonsense party with anti-rural polices which sound great when trashed out over dinner parties in cosy suburban niches with bits of IKEA strategically placed for cachet.

STIG83

MidlandsM wrote: »

he'll be back working in the bicycle shop if you ever want to go in and have a "smirk" at him......:D:D:D

Haha i might do that!!

juuge

MidlandsM wrote: »

he'll be back working in the bicycle shop if you ever want to go in and have a "smirk" at him......:D:D:D

If I can find that shop I'll go in and ask him 'when's my local telephone exchange going to be broadband enabled'.:(

C14N

I'm not happy to see them go. Sure, they were sleeping with Fianna Fáil but FF still managed to get a good few seats and yes, they did some rather odd things regarding agriculture that were basically moving around chairs on the Titanic but they're one of the few parties showing much concern for the environment. Believe it or not, those "stupid windmills to generate power" are a very good thing for the country. I agree they should have looked more at nuclear power but wave, solar and wind are far from "nonsense" and it definitely isn't the job of a TD to pull shopping trolleys out of a canal.

They'll be back and they'll be bigger in future elections when the economy settles down. They won't be a major party, as mentioned before, they're only really able to deal with one area.

Owen

ROFL. When it's possible for me to say I could do a better job of creating green policies and implementing them, it doesn't bode well for the complete and utter failure that was the Green Party.

i57dwun4yb1pt8

john who ?

Iwannahurl

Nolanger wrote: »

Yeh, his eyes lit up on Primetime rattling on about windpower. What a tosser? Used to care about the environment myself but thanks to those fools couldn't give a sh*t now.

No worries.

The environment doesn't care about you either.

ei.sdraob

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAkfEX0sqAI

last man standing

damonjewel wrote: »

Whats with John Gormley? is he in some kind of Gaddafi-esque trance induced refusal to believe that they actually deserved their come=uppence as a compliant partner in the worst government in Irish History

John Gormley says his party has suffered the political consequences of putting the country first.

When exactly was that then? when Fianna fail drained the reserves? when fianna fail gave the bank guarantee? when unemployment jumped? when house prices crashed? when they voted against the no confidence motion in Bertie after the revelations in the Mahon tribunal?

At least when Labour got into government with Fianna Fail in '93 they had the good sense to withdraw on the - now seemingly - minor matter of an appointment of the president of the high court. But the greens stood and watched as the country went to ruin.

Goodbye to the Greens, the worlds worst possible watchdogs. please John never put our country first again

I agree with what you say. Oh my God, It got to the stage a couple
of weeks before the election that the greens where getting creepy
with what they where saying about building bridges between what ever
parties that would get in. I couldn't understand how they could be
so arrogant for all the reasons you have just pointed out. Plus though
all of that while people where suffering so much in health, poverty,
and so many other things, they where talking about things like BIKING
TO WORK AND SAVE THE STAG. Ok nice ideas but for Gods sake, with
the state our country was left in, their just a mad shower!! Good
riddance to all the greens.

Boskowski

Nolanger wrote: »

A lot of their stuff doesn't make sense. Reduce carbon fuels but NO to nuclear energy? Surely if they wanted clean, carbon fuel-free energy they should have considered a nuclear power plant here instead of nonsense such as wave/wind/solar power?

That is to the day you find out around your super-safe nuclear junk storage facility leukaemia rates are on the rise.

Violafy

C14N wrote: »

I'm not happy to see them go. Sure, they were sleeping with Fianna Fáil but FF still managed to get a good few seats and yes, they did some rather odd things regarding agriculture that were basically moving around chairs on the Titanic but they're one of the few parties showing much concern for the environment. Believe it or not, those "stupid windmills to generate power" are a very good thing for the country. I agree they should have looked more at nuclear power but wave, solar and wind are far from "nonsense" and it definitely isn't the job of a TD to pull shopping trolleys out of a canal.

They'll be back and they'll be bigger in future elections when the economy settles down. They won't be a major party, as mentioned before, they're only really able to deal with one area.

Completely agree.. It's so sad to think there'll be no green influence in the Dáil at all for the next few years. While the Greens obviously weren't faultless, it doesn't seem fair that they've lost every one of their seats, while FF have managed to retain some thanks to idiots in places like Cork and Limerick. :mad: Now we can look forward to an "improving economy" in exchange for stag hunting to be legalised and the environment to worsen, YEY. Not that FG are any more capable than FF! Fun times ahead.

Violafy

Nolanger wrote: »

The Greens were a joke. That guy with the baby at the news conference, banning stag hunting (what was that about?), building stupid windmills to generate power. How come I never saw those fools taking the shopping trolleys and traffic cones out of my local canal? As for climate change. DOES ANYONE REALLY THINK THAT IF CLIMATE CHANGE EXISTED A COUNTRY WITH ONLY FOUR MILLION PEOPLE WILL MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE?

How incredibly ignorant. First of all, stag hunting should have been banned long before it was. Also, the world won't be around for much longer if every one of the billions of people in the world had the same defeatist attitude as you regarding the environment. The difference starts with individuals! Obviously.

damonjewel

Violafy wrote: »

Completely agree.. It's so sad to think there'll be no green influence in the Dáil at all for the next few years. While the Greens obviously weren't faultless, it doesn't seem fair that they've lost every one of their seats, while FF have managed to retain some thanks to idiots in places like Cork and Limerick. :mad: Now we can look forward to an "improving economy" in exchange for stag hunting to be legalised and the environment to worsen, YEY. Not that FG are any more capable than FF! Fun times ahead.

I agree too to an extent, but its not the policies I'm knocking. Its this unreal arrogance to say that they were doing there duty and putting the country first. if Gormley came out and said we got it wrong, and we should have done this and we should have done that, I'd be applauding his humility.

The electorate didn't vote for them because they did get it wrong and they had many opportunities to sort it out. The arrogance seems to blame the electorate for not voting in a party that put the country first.

So is "putting the country first" some kind of code for propping up a catastrophe?

Paparazzo

Nolanger wrote: »

Yeh, his eyes lit up on Primetime rattling on about windpower. What a tosser? Used to care about the environment myself but thanks to those fools couldn't give a sh*t now.

I don't think you're the only one. The greens generated a lot of hatred for themselves, and that hatred has transfered to the whole green philosophy. I felt like burning a load of plastic in the back garden because I despised them so much.

goat2

STIG83 wrote: »

Im delighted they didnt get elected, wont be having to look at Eamon Ryan and that smirk he always has on his face.

i can now come of those high blood pressure tablets, have been on them since the greens went in, i can now feel my blood pressure calming in the past two days, carbon tax, and heart attack, good bye

Liam Byrne

Violafy wrote: »

FF have managed to retain some thanks to idiots in places like Cork and Limerick. :mad:

Odd that, I was full sure that Limerick & Dublin cities returned the same amount of FF, and the guy that Dublin returned was the one who was supposedly in charge of the finances when he decided to piss them away.

Wonder why you didn't mention that when listing off the idiots.

Tarobot

Paparazzo wrote: »

I don't think you're the only one. The greens generated a lot of hatred for themselves, and that hatred has transfered to the whole green philosophy. I felt like burning a load of plastic in the back garden because I despised them so much.

Which pretty much sums up the "cutting your nose despite your face" illogical hatred for the Greens on here.

Sponge Bob

The Greens have a pathological hatred of people ....and particularly rural Irish people. They deserve on the whole to be treated like something the cat dragged in. Their capacity for delusion is unparalleled, no matter how many times we tell the likes of Boyle and O Brolcháin that we simply want them to go away they just keep running.

eamo12

Syferus wrote: »

THANKS FOR THE GREAT ANALYSIS.

Thankfully, ppl are waking up to the envirno-con job that is green subsidies and carbon taxes. Good riddance to bad (recycled) rubbish.

Tarobot

Sponge Bob wrote: »

The Greens have a pathological hatred of people ....and particularly rural Irish people. They deserve on the whole to be treated like something the cat dragged in. Their capacity for delusion is unparalleled, no matter how many times we tell the likes of Boyle and O Brolcháin that we simply want them to go away they just keep running.

What total, total nonsense.

vallo

As soon as they made the decision to go into government with FF they had no choice but to stay in office until they had pulled together some serious tangible achievements that they would subsequently be able to point to in order to justify that decision.
Basically, they were doomed from the get go, especially once the economy went pear shaped. As someone pointed out earlier, letting on that they had confidence in Bertie Ahern was a very disturbing low.
Unfortunately achievements like the dublin bike scheme and preventing the odd new ghost estate being built pale into insignificance beside the disastrous activities of the government they kept in office.
I don't know if they'll recover. How are they in local councils?

amiable

Tarobot wrote: »

Which pretty much sums up the "cutting your nose despite your face" illogical hatred for the Greens on here.

I think you'll find that expression is to cut of your nose to spite your face.

Tarobot

amiable wrote: »

I think you'll find that expression is to cut of your nose to spite your face.

Thanks for the pedantry. It always helps move the debate along, I find.

Sponge Bob

And never was there a worse minister of Communications than Eamon Ryan, what an utter disaster Not even Ray Burke 20 years ago.

Violafy

Liam Byrne wrote: »

Odd that, I was full sure that Limerick & Dublin cities returned the same amount of FF, and the guy that Dublin returned was the one who was supposedly in charge of the finances when he decided to piss them away.

Wonder why you didn't mention that when listing off the idiots.

Yes, Limerick returned a FF candidate in each constituency, and Dublin, despite being a LOT bigger with over ten constituencies, returned only one out of 40 something. The support for FF in Limerick (and most other rural places) is overwhelmingly bigger than in Dublin.

goat2

vallo wrote: »

As soon as they made the decision to go into government with FF they had no choice but to stay in office until they had pulled together some serious tangible achievements that they would subsequently be able to point to in order to justify that decision.
Basically, they were doomed from the get go, especially once the economy went pear shaped. As someone pointed out earlier, letting on that they had confidence in Bertie Ahern was a very disturbing low.
Unfortunately achievements like the dublin bike scheme and preventing the odd new ghost estate being built pale into insignificance beside the disastrous activities of the government they kept in office.
I don't know if they'll recover. How are they in local councils?

pulled together some serious tangible achievements ,,,,, what achievements, pleas do tell

amiable

Tarobot wrote: »

What total, total nonsense.

Care to back up that statement? Or just put it down without any basis?

Liam Byrne

Violafy wrote: »

Yes, Limerick returned a FF candidate in each constituency, and Dublin, despite being a LOT bigger with over ten constituencies, returned only one out of 40 something. The support for FF in Limerick (and most other rural places) is overwhelmingly bigger than in Dublin.

Any chance you could actually post in facts ? The phrase "Limerick and most other rural places" does not make sense when you are referring to the city.

Anyway, my point stands. You mentioned "idiots in Cork and Limerick" and refused to mention the idiots in Dublin.

You also obviously don't understand the definition of "rural", so there isn't much point in discussing facts with you.

damonjewel

Sponge Bob wrote: »

And never was there a worse minister of Communications than Eamon Ryan, what an utter disaster Not even Ray Burke 20 years ago.

the same guy who gave his support for the return of third-level fees that would involve a loan scheme to students.

what a disgrace!

Violafy

Sponge Bob wrote: »

The Greens have a pathological hatred of people ....and particularly rural Irish people. They deserve on the whole to be treated like something the cat dragged in. Their capacity for delusion is unparalleled, no matter how many times we tell the likes of Boyle and O Brolcháin that we simply want them to go away they just keep running.

I actually laughed out loud at this. How absolutely ridiculous. Why do the Greens hate rural people? You've made me curious now!

Tarobot

amiable wrote: »

Care to back up that statement? Or just put it down without any basis?

Why don't you let other posters worry about responses to their posts.

Dyr

vallo wrote: »

Unfortunately achievements like the dublin bike scheme and preventing the odd new ghost estate being built pale into insignificance beside the disastrous activities of the government they kept in office.
I don't know if they'll recover. How are they in local councils?

The dublin bike scheme was'nt anything to do with the greens. Mind you, it was a great success if the objective was to have self entitled tossers on bikes using the cities footpaths as roads.

hinault

They're no loss to this country.
What a crowd of gob****es. From clowns like Gogarty to sanctimonious ****ers like Gormley.

It was galling to see a cretin like Gogarty swearing in the Dail, having his kid sitting on his lap at a national press conference.
As regards Gormley, his poo faced waffling about "getthing the (2011) Finance Act through" aka an excuse to stay in power for a couple of weeks longer.

Increasing taxes on petrol and diesel in a recession:rolleyes::rolleyes:

GP were like FF.
Party before Country.

C14N

Sponge Bob wrote: »

And never was there a worse minister of Communications than Eamon Ryan, what an utter disaster Not even Ray Burke 20 years ago.

I wasn't a fan of Ryan as communications minister but whoever sold Telecom Eireann (whether that was Ray Burke or not) was definitely worse.

goat2 wrote: »

pulled together some serious tangible achievements ,,,,, what achievements, pleas do tell

Bike schemes for work, Dublin bike service, banning stag hunting and puppy farms (inappropriate timing sure, but still had to be done) and they tried to bring in water charges which would have been very popular but ultimately sensible. Didn't happen though so I guess it's not an achievement.

damonjewel wrote: »

the same guy who gave his support for the return of third-level fees that would involve a loan scheme to students.

what a disgrace!

Speaking as someone going into third level who will certainly not be entitled to a grant, this was, is and will be a necessary evil. FG will probably gradually re-introduce it over the next few years until the financial situation stabilises.

Violafy

Liam Byrne wrote: »

Any chance you could actually post in facts ? The phrase "Limerick and most other rural places" does not make sense when you are referring to the city.

Anyway, my point stands. You mentioned "idiots in Cork and Limerick" and refused to mention the idiots in Dublin.

You also obviously don't understand the definition of "rural", so there isn't much point in discussing facts with you.

I do actually think a sizeable proportion of people from Dublin are idiots as well. An FFer from my constituency almost got in, which is obviously disappointing, especially as I was hoping at least one Green would be elected from Dublin. Basically, there are a lot of idiots in Ireland, both rural and in Dublin. Oh, and I never refused to mention anything! I was merely makinf the point that support for FF remains stronger outside Dublin.