Is Micheál Martin trying to get back into government with Fine Gael ?

yoshytoshy

Just an observation ,but Micheál Martin sounds very nice when he's questioned about Fine Gael.

MaceFace

yoshytoshy wrote: »

Just an observation ,but Michael Martin sounds very nice when he's questioned about Fine Gael.

Snake in the grass.

Kimono-Girl

yoshytoshy wrote: »

Just an observation ,but Michael Martin sounds very nice when he's questioned about Fine Gael.

He sounds nice because he is a nice man, but i cannot see FF and FG going in it together somehow.

joulter

i wouldn't touch ff with a barge pole. they'd bring down the government when it suited them best

Raging_Ninja

Labour looks like they will be too powrful for FG to go into coalition with them. The Greens look like they won't have any seats in the aftermath to go into govt.

The stable options seem to be FF and SF. Given what Enda Kenny has said about going into power with SF in the past, I think that is less likely.

The final option is to find some independents to get support from and form a minority government, but that is the least ideal solution as the independents would be able to hold FG to ransom, and could be as bad as going into power with Labour.

telekon

Raging_Ninja wrote: »

Labour looks like they will be too powrful for FG to go into coalition with them. The Greens look like they won't have any seats in the aftermath to go into govt.

The stable options seem to be FF and SF. Given what Enda Kenny has said about going into power with SF in the past, I think that is less likely.

The final option is to find some independents to get support from and form a minority government, but that is the least ideal solution as the independents would be able to hold FG to ransom, and could be as bad as going into power with Labour.

I've never seen SF referred to as 'stable' before...

yoshytoshy

FG/Labour wouldn't be a bad coalition ,they'd have plenty of talent between the both of them.

Raging_Ninja

yoshytoshy wrote: »

FG/Labour wouldn't be a bad coalition ,they'd have plenty of talent between the both of them.

I've a feeling both parties will be too powerful to go into power together.

Feargal as Luimneach

yoshytoshy wrote: »

Just an observation ,but Michael Martin sounds very nice when he's questioned about Fine Gael.

The name is Micheál Martin.........

yoshytoshy

Raging_Ninja wrote: »

I've a feeling both parties will be too powerful to go into power together.

I suppose having a strong opposition in Labour is a good thing.

DublinWriter

An FG/FF coalition? Hell would freeze over sooner.

dave1982

Watching Edna on RTE1 imo he has no interest in Labour whatsoever.

I really hope he don't F us over by bring FF back in

yoshytoshy

Feargal as Luimneach wrote: »

The name is Micheál Martin.........

Sorry ,didn't know the irish for snake.

Feargal as Luimneach

yoshytoshy wrote: »

Sorry ,didn't know the irish for snake.

No bother, just don't like people (usually West Brits) anglicizing Irish names...

thefeatheredcat

yoshytoshy wrote: »

sounds very nice when he's questioned about Fine Gael.

international reputation as the international media are watching this. So will be the EU, so he has to watch what he says anyway. He could be going to Europe, along with Bertie Ahern, Charlie McCreevy and the rest of past FF for all he knows. and well sour grapes never looks good, but sell papers and launches a mocking campaign.

dave1982

Feargal as Luimneach wrote: »

No bother, just don't like people (usually West Brits) anglicizing Irish names...

How do you put the fada over the letters?

Mr.Micro

Meehole wants to be Taoiseach. He has proved to be a party pooper. Poor FF thought that people would vote for this chancer. Voters saw through his bull and FG having anything to do with Meehole would be bad news for the party.

Raging_Ninja

dave1982 wrote: »

How do you put the fada over the letters?

Usually holding control+alt when you type the vowel will give the fada.

CrowdedHouse

dave1982 wrote: »

How do you put the fada over the letters?

Press the Alt Gr key with the letter

boardswalker

Classic Dilemma

People voted Fianna Fail out

Longer term, Labour might be better being leaders of Opposition.

Right now, Labour TDs have age on their side (They might be too old for government next time)

Fine Gael and Labour have some significant policy differences. Not clear why everyone thinks Fine Gael and Labour are natural bedfellows.

If I was FG, I wouldn't want to touch FF.

yoshytoshy

CrowdedHouse wrote: »

Press the Alt Gr key with the letter

I fixed the title ,for the respect of the Irish speakers. Not meehole:)

johnmcdnl

what would the civil war voters think of that combination :eek:

Jumpy

Feargal as Luimneach wrote: »

No bother, just don't like people (usually West Brits) anglicizing Irish names...

I am against people using the American "z" in Anglicising.

CelticRambler

johnmcdnl wrote: »

what would the civil war voters think of that combination :eek:

Sure they nearly all have Alzheimer's by now. They'll never notice the difference.

Then again, would any of us? FG minority government + tacit support from FF till FF realise their core voters are dead or senile and will never wield a ballot-pencil again. Then they'll merge with FG and the real "seismic shift" will take place.

2016, if we're lucky.

nesf

johnmcdnl wrote: »

what would the civil war voters think of that combination :eek:

Considering how heavily FF voters are transferring to FG I think the civil war thing is finally dying. Christ, I know some real old school FF types that transferred FG this election and some who said they'd prefer FF/FG to FF/Lab in any future Government.

Hopefully the old civil war attitudes are dying.

Eliot Rosewater

nesf wrote: »

Hopefully the old civil war attitudes are dying.

Perhaps, but the most memorable quote of this election for me is still going to be "I usually vote Fianna Fail, and I'll vote for them in this election, but I'd like to see a Fine Gael government".

And, in my opinion, the problems of our democracy are beyond merely civil war politics. Even with the civil war divide melting democratic engagement as it stands still incentives lots of bad kind of behaviour.

nesf

Eliot Rosewater wrote: »

Perhaps, but the most memorable quote of this election for me is still going to be "I usually vote Fianna Fail, and I'll vote for them in this election, but I'd like to see a Fine Gael government".

And, in my opinion, the problems of our democracy are beyond merely civil war politics. Even with the civil war divide melting democratic engagement as it stands still incentives lots of bad kind of behaviour.

That attitude above translates into FG transfers though and FF candidates are being eliminated now and these transfers play a large role in how the dice fall on last seats and every marginal seat gain by either FG or Labour are hugely decisive now.

ShooterSF

Jumpy wrote: »

I am against people using the American "z" in Anglicising.

Usually by east yanks :rolleyes:

:pac::pac:

Liam Byrne

Feargal as Luimneach wrote: »

No bother, just don't like people (usually West Brits) anglicizing Irish names...

.......and does that explain why you use American spelling ?

gcgirl

They are both conservative right wing and catholic so naturally look nsync with one another I'd sooner see them together with Labour the main opposition party 5 yrs down the line overall majority for labour

gcgirl

johnmcdnl wrote: »

what would the civil war voters think of that combination :eek:

There dead

nesf

Liam Byrne wrote: »

.......and does that explain why you use American spelling ?

It's not American spelling! Replacing s with z in such words is perfectly acceptable in British English. It's just usually s, but it is never incorrect to use z. Now using color instead of colour is always incorrect in British English on the other hand.

Victor

Feargal as Luimneach wrote: »

No bother, just don't like people (usually West Brits) anglicizing Irish names...

Oh the irony, as if gaelgoirs never do the same thing.

And isn't Micheál a gaelisisation of Michael?

jimmycrackcorm

Given FF's support for the Croke Park agreement and the sop given over the years in benchmarking and increased social welfare payments, I'd say they would be a better "left" partner for FG than Labour.