Politically Incorrect :D

HalsOdyssey

I'm happily open gay guy, "straight acting" if you will, who is just sick to the teeth of being politically correct. I described someone as slightly camp a while ago and was BERATED. Who gives a Sh1te!! How is the phrase politically correct not a paradox anywho???? Very strange.
Rant over.

Aishae

i agree - theres such a thing as going overboard with PC'ness.

as for 'camp' its a valid way to describe a certain way about a person. unfortunately it is often used as a degradatory term - which is why people can be miffed when the word is used (despite whatever context it's used in)

AndrewJD

Who berated you? If it was the guy I can see why he might be offended. If someone described me as camp I'd be a bit unhappy. If it was someone else, well they were being silly.

wonderfulname

The camp summarises perfectly the problem with political correctness, that person thinks being politically correct means not calling someone camp, in this forum you'll find people saying that camp should be used as opposed to gay when describing things that are, in essence, camp (because it is a real word after all, in the dictionary and all...). Others will say that gay is fine to use in that instance, its all relative, personally I think we should stop thinking about words and focus more on intent.

baby and crumble

Useless trivia: Camp, the word as applied to the gay side of things actually comes from Polari, the gay subculture languages used in England in the 19th and early 20th centuries. Comes from an acronym for Known As Male Prostitute.

So actually, the way it's used now has nothing to do with the origins. I'm not a guy but if someone called me a prostitute I'd be really annoyed!

AndrewJD

zoegh wrote: »

Useless trivia: Camp, the word as applied to the gay side of things actually comes from Polari, the gay subculture languages used in England in the 19th and early 20th centuries. Comes from an acronym for Known As Male Prostitute.

So actually, the way it's used now has nothing to do with the origins. I'm not a guy but if someone called me a prostitute I'd be really annoyed!

Whore. SORRY I meant that's quite interesting :P

mikemac

Don't have a lot to add but that's an interesting bit of trivia
Love picking up little facts like that

hotmail.com

People that give out about political correctness are usually racist/sexist/homophobic/ageist etc.

wonderfulname

Yup, thats me alright...

You know I've always heard that argument but rarely have I encountered it in the flesh, generally I just meet anti-PC people who just have common sense.

bitter_lemon

hotmail.com wrote: »

People that give out about political correctness are usually racist/sexist/homophobic/ageist etc.

what a stupid ignorant double standard thing to say :rolleyes:

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deirdre_dub

HalsOdyssey wrote: »

I'm happily open gay guy, "straight acting" if you will, who is just sick to the teeth of being politically correct. I described someone as slightly camp a while ago and was BERATED. Who gives a Sh1te!!

The person you called "slightly camp" gives a sh1te. Do you?

It sounds like, for whatever reason, they were hurt by what you said. Do you give a sh1te that they were hurt?

Because, if you don't, then let me give you a dose of your own medicine and not give a sh1te about any hurt you might have. And, if you further compound the problem by trying to tell me that it is their fault for feeling hurt by being too sensitive or whatever, then let me give you even more of your own medicine by saying to you that, actually, the whole thing - your hurt and theirs - is your fault for not being sensitive enough!

How do you like your own medicine? Pretty damn bitter - isn't it? So quit it already! I'll stop giving it to you if you stop giving it to the other person.

This is a situation that requires co-operation between both parties. The person who was most hurt is the person that needs the most space and the most support. That person isn't you. We'll get to you - but this process has to start with the other person.

Endymion

deirdre_dub wrote: »

The person you called "slightly camp" gives a sh1te. Do you?

It sounds like, for whatever reason, they were hurt by what you said. Do you give a sh1te that they were hurt?

Because, if you don't, then let me give you a dose of your own medicine and not give a sh1te about any hurt you might have. And, if you further compound the problem by trying to tell me that it is their fault for feeling hurt by being too sensitive or whatever, then let me give you even more of your own medicine by saying to you that, actually, the whole thing - your hurt and theirs - is your fault for not being sensitive enough!

How do you like your own medicine? Pretty damn bitter - isn't it? So quit it already! I'll stop giving it to you if you stop giving it to the other person.

This is a situation that requires co-operation between both parties. The person who was most hurt is the person that needs the most space and the most support. That person isn't you. We'll get to you - but this process has to start with the other person.

That's a bit much. People really should get more important things to worry about.

Endymion

I was thinking about this today, Political correctness is about making people feel better without actually doing anything to help them in real terms.

It's not Ok to use terms like retard or handicapped but it is OK to cut government spending for people with disabilities once you never use the R word. Better to have both, but in if I can't, I'd rather have the things that help in real terms.

Annasopra

I don't get your point at all - questioning abusive and insulting language can have a real effect

TerrenceAnth

Politically correct what is this ............... Politically correct. This country has kinda been ruined by Politically correctness (if thats a word) People are too uptight now a days if someone called me a f"ing fag on the street i would laugh and call them something worse back. While i dont indorse calling people names and stuff people need to lighten up!

edwinkane

deirdre_dub wrote: »

The person you called "slightly camp" gives a sh1te. Do you?

It sounds like, for whatever reason, they were hurt by what you said. Do you give a sh1te that they were hurt?

Because, if you don't, then let me give you a dose of your own medicine and not give a sh1te about any hurt you might have. And, if you further compound the problem by trying to tell me that it is their fault for feeling hurt by being too sensitive or whatever, then let me give you even more of your own medicine by saying to you that, actually, the whole thing - your hurt and theirs - is your fault for not being sensitive enough!

How do you like your own medicine? Pretty damn bitter - isn't it? So quit it already! I'll stop giving it to you if you stop giving it to the other person.

This is a situation that requires co-operation between both parties. The person who was most hurt is the person that needs the most space and the most support. That person isn't you. We'll get to you - but this process has to start with the other person.

Your argument seems quote confused. Are you saying that, if a person finds offence, where none was intended, then the very fact that they find offence( where none was intended) is enough to justify their offence?

While I can never condone name calling, sometimes some people do find offence where none is intended. In Ireland, especially, there is a culture of "slagging" which, while I find it not to my taste and often cringe when I hear guys carrying on like that, it sounds as if the guy who took offence where none was intended is a little over sensitive.

St._Andalou

HalsOdyssey wrote: »

I'm happily open gay guy, "straight acting" if you will, who is just sick to the teeth of being politically correct. I described someone as slightly camp a while ago and was BERATED. Who gives a Sh1te!! How is the phrase politically correct not a paradox anywho???? Very strange.
Rant over.

Political correctness has nothing to do with describing someone as "camp".

If you're so happy in yourself, why do you feel the need to comment on how "camp" someone else is?

edwinkane

St._Andalou wrote: »

Political correctness has nothing to do with describing someone as "camp".

If you're so happy in yourself, why do you feel the need to comment on how "camp" someone else is?

That might be extended to, if you are so happy with yourself, why do you feel the need to comment on someone else commenting on how "camp" someone else is?

bitter_lemon

edwinkane wrote: »

That might be extended to, if you are so happy with yourself, why do you feel the need to comment on someone else commenting on how "camp" someone else is?

it could quite possibly extend to the theory that you feel the need to comment on someone else commenting on someone else who commented on someone else about how "camp" they are. did you ever think of that?

Annasopra

bitter_lemon wrote: »

it could quite possibly extend to the theory that you feel the need to comment on someone else commenting on someone else who commented on someone else about how "camp" they are. did you ever think of that?

Commentary is the point of Message boards

bitter_lemon

Johnnymcg wrote: »

Commentary is the point of Message boards

exactly - note the irony

edwinkane

bitter_lemon wrote: »

it could quite possibly extend to the theory that you feel the need to comment on someone else commenting on someone else who commented on someone else about how "camp" they are. did you ever think of that?

and you "needed" to comment on my comment about someone elses's comment and so on.

This is a discussion forum where the idea is to comment and contribute. If you think it is not for you, then thats your choice.

Annasopra

ah come on everyone stop being so judgemental about who passed comment on who etc and get back on topic

bitter_lemon

i was obviously joking!
there is a serious lack of humor here. :eek:

Annasopra

bitter_lemon wrote: »

i was obviously joking!
there is a serious lack of humor here. :eek:

is there?

wonderfulname

lol, this is getting ridiculous, so... political correctness ay?

bitter_lemon

Johnnymcg wrote: »

is there?

yes

HalsOdyssey

That is actually really interesting Zoegh, I might use kamp from now on (JOKE). To be perfectly honest, I was just describing someone to one of my friends as slightly eccentric, a bit camp. No offence was meant whatsoever, but a third party didn't agree.

HalsOdyssey

@Deirdre_Dub, I would never intentionally hurt anyone's feelings. I merely said a word I thought no one would find offensive. My comment was directed to a close friend in a non-bitchy and purely descriptive manner. If you had a second or two to actually ask that instead of try to attack (pathetically), you may have found this out. I'll leave you back to your skilled co-operation between these parties of yours.

bitter_lemon

i think i'll make my dinner now!

Endymion

Johnnymcg wrote: »

I don't get your point at all - questioning abusive and insulting language can have a real effect

Can have an effect, yes. But it can also get in the way. When more effort is put into coming up with new and non abrasive terms for people, then actually fixing whatever problem is affected them.

DubArk

HalsOdyssey wrote: »

I'm happily open gay guy, "straight acting" if you will, who is just sick to the teeth of being politically correct. I described someone as slightly camp a while ago and was BERATED. Who gives a Sh1te!! How is the phrase politically correct not a paradox anywho???? Very strange.
Rant over.

Although Political correctness to you has possibly gone over the top; you felt is necessary to describe yourself as an “open gay guy, straight acting"!!
Can I ask when you are “Straight Acting?” Perhaps when you’re shopping? Working? Maybe out in the pub enjoying a few pints with the lads or when you’re in the sack with another guy? Is this just a thing you can be one moment or is it all the time? Acting out the “Straight Guy” or have I have been NOT politically correct by asking this…..

edwinkane

DubArk wrote: »

Although Political correctness to you has possibly gone over the top; you felt is necessary to describe yourself as an “open gay guy, straight acting"!!
Can I ask when you are “Straight Acting?” Perhaps when you’re shopping? Working? Maybe out in the pub enjoying a few pints with the lads or when you’re in the sack with another guy? Is this just a thing you can be one moment or is it all the time? Acting out the “Straight Guy” or have I have been NOT politically correct by asking this…..

In fairness, many gay guys mean "masculine" when they say "straight acting". I often giggle when I hear a gay gay saying he is straight acting, and wonder how he acts straight when he is in a compromising position together with another man, both naked. How would a straight guy respond when asked to fellate another man? Or to penetrate, or be penetrated by, another man?

DubArk

edwinkane wrote: »

In fairness, many gay guys mean "masculine" when they say "straight acting". I often giggle when I hear a gay gay saying he is straight acting, and wonder how he acts straight when he is in a compromising position together with another man, both naked. How would a straight guy respond when asked to fellate another man? Or to penetrate, or be penetrated by, another man?

Yes that’s true but we so love to Label ourselves.” He’s Camp, she’s Butch, they’re Straight Acting……” Someone who may identify with one label may not enjoy been derided by another label. It’s very much an individual response. It again is very important how the words are used and in what context…. Was the “Camp” remark a Put Down from a “Straight Acting Guy”? Does HalsOdyssey think if I called him Camp (as he’s obviously Straight Acting) would he be alright with that?
Is Political Correctness at fault or was it just bad judgment on the day?

edwinkane

DubArk wrote: »

Yes that’s true but we so love to Label ourselves.” He’s Camp, she’s Butch, they’re Straight Acting……” Someone who may identify with one label may not enjoy been derided by another label. It’s very much an individual response. It again is very important how the words are used and in what context…. Was the “Camp” remark a Put Down from a “Straight Acting Guy”? Does HalsOdyssey think if I called him Camp (as he’s obviously Straight Acting) would he be alright with that?
Is Political Correctness at fault or was it just bad judgment on the day?

Or could it be using words incorrectly, like "straight acting" when we mean "masculine"

DubArk

edwinkane wrote: »

Or could it be using words incorrectly, like "straight acting" when we mean "masculine"

It's soooooooooo Gay!

HalsOdyssey

I actually can't believe how self righteous you are??? I wouldn't give the slightest ****e if anyone called me camp or straight acting. They're every day phrases. Maybe I'm not as sensitive as I should be, but trying to assume or insinuate that I'm some kind of bigot for merely using camp as a description says soooo much more about you.
I think it's time to take your white wig off. I put a comment up to ask why we need to monitor every little thing we do. I realise that there is a line and I would never cross it but seriously.......give it a rest. There are more important things in life than essentially giving out to someone for describing themselves as straight acting and using the demon word camp! I'm sure there's a march somewhere you need to be, so I'll finish up.

Thanking you,

Self internalised homophobe.

DubArk

HalsOdyssey wrote: »

I actually can't believe how self righteous you are??? I wouldn't give the slightest ****e if anyone called me camp or straight acting. They're every day phrases. Maybe I'm not as sensitive as I should be, but trying to assume or insinuate that I'm some kind of bigot for merely using camp as a description says soooo much more about you.
I think it's time to take your white wig off. I put a comment up to ask why we need to monitor every little thing we do. I realise that there is a line and I would never cross it but seriously.......give it a rest. There are more important things in life than essentially giving out to someone for describing themselves as straight acting and using the demon word camp! I'm sure there's a march somewhere you need to be, so I'll finish up.

Thanking you,

Self internalised homophobe.

You put it up for discussion and discussed it was!! If you wanted everyone to agree with you then Boards.ie is not the place to start a Thread!!
White wig???? No one called you a bigot but if that’s what you read into it then so be it! As well there was a bit of tongue and cheek in my posts too!

My advice for you is read them carefully again, calm down and stop been so sensitive.
Off to my March!!

Annasopra

folks calm down a bit