Going On A Three Day Week

culsoh

Hi everyone.

I've been informed by my employers that in a fortnight I will be put on a three day week as it is isn't feasible to keep me on fulltime. I've been fulltime working since June 2008 so I would have enough PRSI contributions.

I live approximately 40kms from my local Social Welfare branch.
I am hoping to go to my local Social Welfare office and tell them I've been put on a three day week and that I need to sign on for the other two days. I understand that this will mean I fill in slips each week.

What documents do I need when I go in?

Is there a special form for Part Time JSB or do you just use the normal JSB Form?
As I live 40kms from the office, will I need to drop in my slip every week? As it is a very long way to go each week?

Also, I am 23 - so what payment will I be eligable for??

Any information greatly appreciated.

eastbono

Download the form from the below and have it completed when you go in, it also give guidelines on the info you will need to bring in with you. A letter from your employer stating that he is putting you on a three day week would also be helpful. If you will be working set days in a week then you can fill the casual dockets in for a month and you can post them in to your sw office. If you were working all of 2008/2009 & 2010 you should have 154 contributions which will entitle you to Jobseekers benefit. You will get the top rate of €188 assuming your average weekly earnings were over €300 a week for 2009. €188 will be divided by 6 which comes to €31.33 approx and you will get money for 3 days if you work 3 days which would work out at €93.33 approx. If you work more than 3 days you will get nothing.

http://www.welfare.ie/EN/Pages/jajbapplications.aspx

culsoh

eastbono wrote: »

Download the form from the below and have it completed when you go in, it also give guidelines on the info you will need to bring in with you. A letter from your employer stating that he is putting you on a three day week would also be helpful. If you will be working set days in a week then you can fill the casual dockets in for a month and you can post them in to your sw office. If you were working all of 2008/2009 & 2010 you should have 154 contributions which will entitle you to Jobseekers benefit. You will get the top rate of €188 assuming your average weekly earnings were over €300 a week for 2009. €188 will be divided by 6 which comes to €31.33 approx and you will get money for 3 days if you work 3 days which would work out at €93.33 approx. If you work more than 3 days you will get nothing.

http://www.welfare.ie/EN/Pages/jajbapplications.aspx

Thanks eastbono!

I emailed Citizens Advice to and they said I would be entitled to 2/5 of €188 - which is €37.00 per day - which is right 3/6 or 2/5.
I would normally work Monday - Friday.
But I thought dividing the days by 5 was for short term claimers, my letter from my employer says until further notice so I would assume I would be a part-time worker, so that it would be divided by 6 days.

eastbono

I emailed Citizens Advice to and they said I would be entitled to 2/5 of €188 - which is €37.00 per day - which is right 3/6 or 2/5.
I would normally work Monday - Friday.
But I thought dividing the days by 5 was for short term claimers, my letter from my employer says until further notice so I would assume I would be a part-time worker, so that it would be divided by 6 days

People on a 3 day week can be classed under two heading casual workers or I think its systematic short time with the later there is usually an indication that your full time employment will resume within a certain period of time. From what you say it appears you will be classed as casual and there is no indication that your employment will resume to 5 days. Your will be paid 3/6 of €188 thats if you are entitled to the top rate.

sierra117x

eastbono wrote: »

I emailed Citizens Advice to and they said I would be entitled to 2/5 of €188 - which is €37.00 per day - which is right 3/6 or 2/5.
I would normally work Monday - Friday.
But I thought dividing the days by 5 was for short term claimers, my letter from my employer says until further notice so I would assume I would be a part-time worker, so that it would be divided by 6 days.

People on a 3 day week can be classed under two heading casual workers or I think its systematic short time with the later there is usually an indication that your full time employment will resume within a certain period of time. From what you say it appears you will be classed as casual and there is no indication that your employment will resume to 5 days. Your will be paid 3/6 of €188 thats if you are entitled to the top rate.[/QUOTE]no because social welfare is paid over a 6 day week monday to saturday . if you qualify for for JB you can also work on a sunday and it wont effect your payments at all

Halo Kitty

I was on a 3 day week up on till mid Jan..and my weekly cheque was €94... I used to fill in my forms every 2 weeks so i did not have to go to the welfare office every week ... if u know your days off you could fill in the 4 weeks ....Good luck on your short time...

culsoh

eastbono wrote: »

People on a 3 day week can be classed under two heading casual workers or I think its systematic short time with the later there is usually an indication that your full time employment will resume within a certain period of time. From what you say it appears you will be classed as casual and there is no indication that your employment will resume to 5 days. Your will be paid 3/6 of €188 thats if you are entitled to the top rate.

No, there is no indication that my employment will resume to 5 days. My letter says:
"We confirm that due to the downturn in the economy at present we can no longer employ Culsoh on a fulltime basis. We can only employ Culsoh on a 3 day week until further notice"

What will the social welfare make of that??

Got another email from the Citizens Advice though which conflicts what you guys are saying:

As you are earning over 300 euro you will be entitled to the full rate of jobseekers benefit which should last for 12 months and as you are working a 5 day week you will recieve 2/5 of the full rate

I'm so confused!

eastbono

culsoh wrote: »

No, there is no indication that my employment will resume to 5 days. My letter says:
"We confirm that due to the downturn in the economy at present we can no longer employ Culsoh on a fulltime basis. We can only employ Culsoh on a 3 day week until further notice"

What will the social welfare make of that??

Got another email from the Citizens Advice though which conflicts what you guys are saying:


I'm so confused!

If your earnings average €300 or over pw in 2009 you will be entitled to the full rate thats €188 ok and if you are working a 3 day week its €188/3. JSB is calculated over 6 days not 5 days if its a casual claim.The letter from employer stating until further notice would indicate to me that your claim will be a casual one and not systematic short time

It depends on the number of contributions you have as to whether you will be paid for 234 days or 312 days until your benefit is exhausted at such time you will be means tested for JSA.

culsoh

I've got so much conflicting information

When you go to sign on you will be classed as a systematic short-time worker as you will be working a set pattern of days each week. The following information is taken from social welfare’s guidelines:
(e) Systematic Short-time

Short-time employment means employment in which, for the time being, a number of days is systematically worked in a working week which is less than the number of days which is normal in a working week in the employment concerned.

Short-time working must be systematic, i.e., there must be a clear repetitive pattern of employment each week, e.g. 1, 2 or 3 days per week, every week or say 2 days in the first week and three days in the second week, with this pattern repeated every two weeks.



Rate/Days of Payment for Short-time Claimants

The number of days of JB payable each week to a short-time worker is limited to ensure that the total number of days paid and the number of days worked do not exceed five. The amount of JB payable in respect of each day of unemployment is one-fifth of the appropriate weekly JB rate.

EXAMPLE:

A single person's working pattern is reduced from 5 days a week (Mon - Fri) to 3 days a week (Mon - Wed). 2 days JB are payable @ 1/5 JB weekly rate in respect of each day.

Although JB is usually paid over six days, because of the systematic nature of your work, your entitlement is calculated over five days.

So I've decided to just go down and see what they say...
If I'm put on 2/6 (€62), 3/6 (€94) or 2/5 (€75) so be it, at least its something.

I suppose, also - only using 2 stamps would be better than 3, your contributions would last for longer, no??

mrsbyrne

culsoh wrote: »

I've got so much conflicting information



So I've decided to just go down and see what they say...
If I'm put on 2/6 (€62), 3/6 (€94) or 2/5 (€75) so be it, at least its something.

I suppose, also - only using 2 stamps would be better than 3, your contributions would last for longer, no??

no, its either 9 months or 12 months JSB depending on your overall lifetime contributions. i know what your getting at, but thats not how it works.

eddiehen

mrsbyrne wrote: »

no, its either 9 months or 12 months JSB depending on your overall lifetime contributions. i know what your getting at, but thats not how it works.

If he's on SST, he'll use 2 of his 312/234 days per week. If classified as CAS he'll use 3. Basically what that means is if casual, your benefit will expire in 2 years (312)/ 1.5Yrs (234), whereas SST customers would last 3yr/2.5yrs accordingly.

On top of that, use these multipliers to work out the payment, 2yrs @ €94 = 9776, but 3yrs @ €75 = 11,700.

culsoh

mrsbyrne wrote: »

no, its either 9 months or 12 months JSB depending on your overall lifetime contributions. i know what your getting at, but thats not how it works.

Another person in my office has been on a 3 day week or 18 months now, and they are still on their JSB. Is 9/12 months not for fulltime JSB claims?

eddiehen wrote: »

If he's on SST, he'll use 2 of his 312/234 days per week. If classified as CAS he'll use 3. Basically what that means is if casual, your benefit will expire in 2 years (312)/ 1.5Yrs (234), whereas SST customers would last 3yr/2.5yrs accordingly.

On top of that, use these multipliers to work out the payment, 2yrs @ €94 = 9776, but 3yrs @ €75 = 11,700.

I assume SST=Systamatic and CAS=Casual??
Thanks.
At this stage its a case of just getting something, so if they class me as systamatic or Casual, I don't really care, even though there is a big difference in money

eastbono

Please note also that a portion of JSB is liable for tax purposes so at the end of 2011 you will have to get a statement from SW and submit this to Revenue.

culsoh

Am I right in saying that Jobseekers Benefit (Systamatic) is not taxable but Jobseekers Benefit (casual) is?

eastbono

Had a look at welfare and revenue and it appears so.

culsoh

Thanks eastbono.

I suppose all I can do is go to the Social Welfare next Monday and tell them my situation - it will be up to them if they put me on Systamatic or Part Time JSB, if they allow me at all!