FG vs FF

johnmcdnl

What makes FG any different than FF when you take the corruption of FF out of the picture???????

Looking at them from the outside I can't see much difference at all tbh - take someone who hasn't seen either party before ever and hasn't seen FF corruption before probably would struggle to choose a party to support.....

what would make anyone vote FG ahead of FF...

I'm struggling to see the main differences between the two parties right now... it just seems like FG is going to win a landslide victory just because FF right now are the most hated party in the history of the Irish state and are probably more hated than the British back in the day and well Labour - Eamon Gilmore and his campaign were far from good this time round...

can someone just tell me what makes FG so different to FF policy wise that it makes voting FG sound like a good idea...

with FG in government I can only see the continuation of the economic slide 5 point plan or not - and with one of the least charismatic leaders in the world how can Ireland hope to escape recession WHEN we vote FG into power...

Irish politics seriously needs a major shake up right now because basically we're electing the same party into government in this election except their going to fly a different flag...

well maybe I'm completely wrong but that's how I see it right now - FG are simply a good vote for a lot of people simply because their not FF...

meglome

gosh this hasn't come up before. A quick look at their manifestos will answer your questions.

And of course the little fact that FG didn't wreck the country FF did.

Nehaxak

"Yes, you must look at the 5 point plan dot ie on the FG internets dot ie to get Ireland back working dot ie and the detail is there dot ie"

Never thought I'd say it but even FF have more detailed, specific and credible plans than FG - and at least their leader can speak on them. Poor Enda can't even debate his own policies on live interviews.

K-9

I'd say FG would be more right wing economically eg. privatisation seems to be the cure to all ills.

Both seem socially conservative, FG don't seem as Liberal as they once where.

raymon

If you remove corruption , then I would say the main difference is that one party has proven their incompetence in all areas , constantly lies and has performed acts of economic treason.

The Mad Hatter

Tweedlefáil and Twiddlegael
Agreed to have a vote;
For Twiddlegael said Tweedlefáil
Hadn't kept the country afloat.

Chucky the tree

Corruption is a pretty huge issue.

the groutch

Same sh!te, different party

The Waltzing Consumer

Nehaxak wrote: »

"Yes, you must look at the 5 point plan dot ie on the FG internets dot ie to get Ireland back working dot ie and the detail is there dot ie"

Never thought I'd say it but even FF have more detailed, specific and credible plans than FG - and at least their leader can speak on them. Poor Enda can't even debate his own policies on live interviews.

Are you for real?

FF have been in power for majority of time
FF have implemented their policies
FF have welcomed corruption and never expelled it
FF have destroyed the country with their "detailed, specific and credible plans"

Ah sure, but Bertie and Martin can debate real good. :rolleyes:
That is going to get us jobs and put food on the table, a good debater :rolleyes:

almighty1

Nehaxak wrote: »

Never thought I'd say it but even FF have more detailed, specific and credible plans than FG - and at least their leader can speak on them. Poor Enda can't even debate his own policies on live interviews.

+1

dilallio

Yes - FG & FF's policies are very similar.

But ask youself 1 question.

Who do you believe more?

Yes, Enda is a poor communicator, but he doesn't have the total lack of credibility that FF currently have.

Jim Stark

johnmcdnl wrote: »

What makes FG any different than FF when you take the corruption of FF out of the picture???????

What makes Hitler any different than Ghandi when you take the corruption and genocide out of the picture??????

johnmcdnl wrote: »

one of the least charismatic leaders in the world

Talk to me hole! Do you want Berlusconi???

enda1

For the sake of democracy the government needs to change. The opposition had grown tired and weak, too content in sitting in a few Dáil sessions and getting the cheque in the post.

Its time the tables were turned.

Long-term power breeds corruption and apathy. Fianna Fáil, despite possibly good intentions, have had a hames of their last decade's power. I believe that the PD's were a good partner for them in the earlier days, but since their demise and their subsequent replacement by the ineffectual Green's, there was no check left in the system for the Brian's to bounce their hair-brained ideas off.

I don't think Fine Gail are all that different, however the main difference they will bring is a fresh approach. New ideas and new people can make a real difference. In reality in a modern western diplomatic capitalist state, there is only going to be so much difference between the larger parties. Of course there are "fringe" parties which in times of economic or social hardship surface as strong minorities, however, when times get better these usually ebb back to smaller size.

Let's wait and see how Kenny runs this country. Don't expect miracles though, but hopefully he can restore some confidence in our financial sector and take the pressure off of us in the international bond-market sense. And above all, I hope to God the man has the balls to face up strongly to Sarkozy and Merkel, if he doesn't and he raises out corporation tax rate, he could resign FG (and Ireland's economic attractiveness) to the annals of history.

Roll on the count!

sensibleken

FF - destroyed most of the country
FG - will sell the rest

I see nothing in their 5 point plan that isnt just the usual waffle. Whereas FF sold us out to the banking and developer elite I see FG selling us out to anyone who creates even a few jobs, if the Leo Varadkar gets anywhere near power prepare to see pay and conditions plummet.

Energy, water and telecoms to create and sustain 80,000 jobs? yeah right

Sulmac

This excellent post from two years ago by Dalfiatach explains the differences very well.

oppenheimer1

johnmcdnl wrote: »

What makes FG any different than FF when you take the corruption of FF out of the picture???????

Looking at them from the outside I can't see much difference at all tbh - take someone who hasn't seen either party before ever and hasn't seen FF corruption before probably would struggle to choose a party to support.....

what would make anyone vote FG ahead of FF...

I'm struggling to see the main differences between the two parties right now... it just seems like FG is going to win a landslide victory just because FF right now are the most hated party in the history of the Irish state and are probably more hated than the British back in the day and well Labour - Eamon Gilmore and his campaign were far from good this time round...

can someone just tell me what makes FG so different to FF policy wise that it makes voting FG sound like a good idea...

with FG in government I can only see the continuation of the economic slide 5 point plan or not - and with one of the least charismatic leaders in the world how can Ireland hope to escape recession WHEN we vote FG into power...

Irish politics seriously needs a major shake up right now because basically we're electing the same party into government in this election except their going to fly a different flag...

well maybe I'm completely wrong but that's how I see it right now - FG are simply a good vote for a lot of people simply because their not FF...

One gave the tax breaks to developers, the other got its councillors to rezone all the land for them.

Differences? Not much really. What sickens me is that when the new government gets into power they're going to go into the Dept of Finance and say they see things that are much worse than they thought. This isn't credible as all parties have been told that their manifestos are based on a 3% growth rate which is unrealistic.

Wait and watch the promises being rowed back.

[Jackass]

LoL

"If you remove corruption.."

If you remove mass genoside, the Nazi party were one of the most organised and best delievers of services and infrastructure that Europe or the world has ever seen in modern times from a democratically elected Government...there's just one issue that might stop people voting for them...

If we remove incompitence from FF also, I mean, their policies aren't that bad...

Those are two pretty major issues on their own. It's one thing talking the talk, it's another thing walking the walk. FF have failed miserably on both counts. They barely even pretended to know what they were doing whilst in Government, they have no idea how to fix it now, and they have a track record of (and not just the last 14 years, throughout the history of FF led Governments) running the country into the ground.

Policies are just one of a number of major issues that must be considerd when votng for a Government..

Balmed Out

i think ff vs labour would be more apt. Fg are an economically right wing party. Labour and ff are far more similar though ff are more socially conservative and policies tend to be better thought out.
Give labour years of being the party of power (corrupting power) and they would be ff in all but name.
Im fg leaning politically but all reformers no matter how great their conscience live in houses as big as they can get. We need a political system where no party rolls election after election.

K-9

sensibleken wrote: »

FF - destroyed most of the country
FG - will sell the rest

I see nothing in their 5 point plan that isnt just the usual waffle. Whereas FF sold us out to the banking and developer elite I see FG selling us out to anyone who creates even a few jobs, if the Leo Varadkar gets anywhere near power prepare to see pay and conditions plummet.

Energy, water and telecoms to create and sustain 80,000 jobs? yeah right

Privatisation would be a worry for me. After the pension fund being raided I thought we'd wasted enough of the family silver.

Floppybits

For me the difference is that FG have the better people in their party compared to FF. There may not be much difference in their policies but when you compare the people in the parties FG seem a lot brighter, smarter and capable than what FF have to offer,

For example

Noonan vs Lenihan,
Bruton vs Coughlan,
Reilly vs Hanafin,

This is what has swung my vote FG way. I am sick at looking an incompetence in the FF front bench, actually right through out the party. FF need to bring in new blood and make sure they are people that have backgrounds in the areas that are needed such as finance and economics. Never should have barrister or solicitor been made minister of finance.

lawladdie

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Corruption is a pretty huge issue.

I agree. Which is why the reports of "private" fundraisers where FG are being wined and dined by those who used to schmooze FF make me very concerned. Varadkar's refusal to identify anyone who attended his fancy restaurant shindig is worrying.

Who is paying 150 quid a head for access to future Ministers?

The same for all the golf classic and raffles. Which companies are giving FG wads of cash and then going to be bidding for public work from them in a few weeks time?

There should be no such thing as a private fundraiser when you're raising money for a political party. All party money should be traceable and accountable for.

lawladdie

Floppybits wrote: »

Never should have barrister or solicitor been made minister of finance.

I agree with the point but Noonan's a teacher isnt he?

As are loads of them on all sides. We really need more people with some knowledge of what they're talking about.

Although I also worry about people coming from an industry with vested interests. Having someone who represented doctors and consultants in charge of health would make me nervous - its partly the consultants' refusal to change their work practices that has the system so badly organised. Will Reilly stand up to his mates?

gcgirl

FG and FF right wing economically and socially party very little differs them