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suckler mad=crazy prices

  • 22-02-2011 8:07pm
    #1
    defadman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91 ✭✭


    just after hearing a young limosuine cow wit calf at foot made 3200 euro in carigallen mart.in recent years, suckler cow prices have rocketed and the question is will they continue on this trend


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  • #2
    Nutcase
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74 ✭✭Nutcase


    defadman wrote: »
    just after hearing a young limosuine cow wit calf at foot made 3200 euro in carigallen mart.in recent years, suckler cow prices have rocketed and the question is will they continue on this trend

    Yeah heard about that sale alrite serious prices!
    About your question I cant see those prices will continuing I'd imagine alot more people will be selling incalf heifers or cows incalf or with calves at foot.
    Sure theres 2 ads on done deal at the moment 200 incalf heifers for sale surely that will satisfy alot of people looking sucklers:D

    http://www.donedeal.ie/for-sale/livestock/1919841
    http://www.donedeal.ie/for-sale/livestock/1766565


  • #3
    blue5000
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,753 Mod ✭✭✭✭blue5000


    I think it is just a temporary thing, farmers who traditionally buy in cattle to fatten them are seeing weanlings making huge money and want a piece of the action.

    Saw cows with calves at foot a few weeks back making big money, av 1500e with a couple over 2k in Mountrath. Maybe there is some sort of su cow coupled payment on the way, any ideas anyone?:confused:

    If the seat's wet, sit on yer hat, a cool head is better than a wet ar5e.



  • #4
    Muckit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,174 ✭✭✭✭Muckit


    There's no denying that farmer is no messer. Top class animals, both breeding heifers and stock bulls.

    farmers do seem to go cracked for suckler cows. Having done it myself trying to dabble in the pedigree game, the phrase a 'little knowldege is a bad thing':rolleyes:

    Yes QUALITY weanlings are making big money, but how much time, effort and money has been pumped into the cow and the weanling to acheive this.... the prospective buyer doesn't always comprend this


  • #5
    defadman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91 ✭✭defadman


    bought a serious lmxbb heifer 2 years ago at 1650..today with a cahr heifer calf at foot ,is say shes worth nearly 3,000. that is quite the indicator


  • #6
    pakalasa
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,552 ✭✭✭pakalasa


    I got into suckling in 2005(or 2006 ??), the year before the suckler scheme came in. I bought in calf heifers about to calve at Christmas time, all for under 700 Euro. Might be time to sell them again!:D


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  • #7
    reilig
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,401 ✭✭✭reilig


    Its back to the €1000 weinling story again. If you want to breed a weinling that will be worth €1000 or more at 10 months old then the only way to do it is to have the right cow - these are the cows that make the good money. Why buy a cow at €1000 which will have calves that average €600 each year when you can buy a cow at €1500 which will average €1000 calves each year. At the end of the day they both cost around the same amount of € to feed.


  • #8
    pakalasa
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,552 ✭✭✭pakalasa


    What you pay and what you get are two different things.
    Just because you pay 3,500E for a suckler cow doesnt guarantee she produce a 1,000E weanling. At the end of the day, you don't even know her breeding.


  • #9
    reilig
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,401 ✭✭✭reilig


    pakalasa wrote: »
    What you pay and what you get are two different things.
    Just because you pay 3,500E for a suckler cow doesnt guarantee she produce a 1,000E weanling. At the end of the day, you don't even know her breeding.

    That's why people like to see a calf at foot - it will give a good idea as to how good of calf she will have in the future.


  • #10
    Bizzum
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,034 ✭✭✭Bizzum


    I'm still amazed at the amount of times farmers say to me, when I tell them I use this maternal bull or other , ''Your waiting to long for a cow''.
    The point I make is once you start and breed a couple every year, once the first initial wait is over, you have a supply then yearly!
    And you know their breeding and disease status.
    A lot of lads are reactive rather than proactive on this.
    Another thing too. These high end cows making big money also serve to give a lift to the middling (and maybe even poor) cows, who quicky become way overvalued to.
    Fun times ahead when grass starts to come!


  • #11
    Bizzum
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,034 ✭✭✭Bizzum


    reilig wrote: »
    That's why people like to see a calf at foot - it will give a good idea as to how good of calf she will have in the future.

    Yep..And it will tell you if the cow does a good job on her calf too.

    Here's one: I know a farmer who buys cows with heifer calves at foot...............Because they 'will have a bull calf next'!


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  • #12
    reilig
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,401 ✭✭✭reilig


    Bizzum wrote: »
    Here's one: I know a farmer who buys cows with heifer calves at foot...............Because they 'will have a bull calf next'!

    Is that pun?


  • #13
    keep going
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,551 ✭✭✭keep going


    just a question ,is there money in sucklers. i dont see it


  • #14
    Muckit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,174 ✭✭✭✭Muckit


    reilig wrote: »
    That's why people like to see a calf at foot - it will give a good idea as to how good of calf she will have in the future.

    If it's even her calf:rolleyes:


  • #15
    Muckit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,174 ✭✭✭✭Muckit


    keep going wrote: »
    just a question ,is there money in sucklers. i dont see it

    You'd want to shove your hand along way up their h*le:rolleyes:


  • #16
    Bizzum
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,034 ✭✭✭Bizzum


    reilig wrote: »
    Is that pun?

    No pun. Straight up. He said it to me a few times.
    I think he may be a graduate of the Homer Simpson school of genetics- Boy Girl Boy Girl!
    Or maybe he knows something I don't.


  • #17
    pakalasa
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,552 ✭✭✭pakalasa


    Muckit wrote: »
    You'd want to shove your hand along way up their h*le:rolleyes:
    :D That's gas - hey another pun.

    True Story - There was a certain individual not too far from me, who was smuggling drugs like this. No kidding - inside in the cows. The law eventually caught up with him. He burned his house, rather than let the CAB take it. I remember driving by it when it was on fire. Very dangerous individual.:mad:


  • #18
    Muckit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,174 ✭✭✭✭Muckit


    pakalasa wrote: »
    :D That's gas - hey another pun.

    True Story - There was a certain individual not too far from me, who was smuggling drugs like this. No kidding - inside in the cows. The law eventually caught up with him. He burned his house, rather than let the CAB take it. I remember driving by it when it was on fire. Very dangerous individual.:mad:

    Sorry, a bit crude I know, but I couldn't resist:p

    As for the drug smuggler, I've heard of drug 'mules', but drug .....em 'cows' ?! :rolleyes:


  • #19
    Butcher Boy
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    What about the 3000 cow that have a dead calf where do you go then ? look at her for the rest of the year,1000 is enough for any cow at least if something went wrong you have some come back as a cull. how long would it take a 3000 euro cow to pay for herself? if it cost 400 to keep cow for a year and her calf makes 1000 .That leaves 600 if everything went right. 5 years just to clear herself . I rest my case .


  • #20
    leg wax
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,296 ✭✭✭leg wax


    Butcher Boy wrote: »
    What about the 3000 cow that have a dead calf where do you go then ? look at her for the rest of the year,1000 is enough for any cow at least if something went wrong you have some come back as a cull. how long would it take a 3000 euro cow to pay for herself? if it cost 400 to keep cow for a year and her calf makes 1000 .That leaves 600 if everything went right. 5 years just to clear herself . I rest my case .
    a 1000euro calf out of that cow would be a bad return i did not see the cow in question but at that money i am quite sure her calf over your 5 years will average a lot higher when in the right hands and mart, 1000 euros with the weight would sound right to me.


  • #21
    Butcher Boy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 589 ✭✭✭Butcher Boy


    hi L W i am in the marts 3 days out of the 7 and the no of weanlings making the big 1000 are scarce as hens teeth


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  • #22
    pakalasa
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,552 ✭✭✭pakalasa


    Legwax,
    Photos. I want to see some photos. If you're getting 1,000Euro with weights. I'd love to see them.
    See 'Sex Sells' thread. :D
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056177860


  • #23
    leg wax
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,296 ✭✭✭leg wax


    pakalasa wrote: »
    Legwax,
    Photos. I want to see some photos. If you're getting 1,000Euro with weights. I'd love to see them.
    See 'Sex Sells' thread. :D
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056177860
    i have only sold 2 weanling bulls at this money in june last year,my point that i was pointing out that these prices are possible with the right cross and bull. i was not blowing my own trumpet that all my weanlings are sex on legs i have some bad yokes as well.


  • #24
    leg wax
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,296 ✭✭✭leg wax


    Butcher Boy wrote: »
    hi L W i am in the marts 3 days out of the 7 and the no of weanlings making the big 1000 are scarce as hens teeth
    why do you think you are not seeing these cattle in your marts.


  • #25
    Bodacious
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,274 ✭✭✭Bodacious


    keep going wrote: »
    just a question ,is there money in sucklers. i dont see it

    Horses for courses i'd say. Ideal for part time farmers or farmers on marginal land but nothing like the profit that there is in dairy i'd say. But at least with sucklers when you sell a calf for say €750, its your €750 (Minus silage/ herd test/ medicines) cow is still there and in calf for next year.... What about the guys that buy that calf (~€750) feed him over the winter and sell him off of grass in Oct as a store when bulk of the cattle are out for €9- €950, cant see the sense in that at all, just rolling money over and not spending it i suppose:confused:


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